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I expect Butler to play elsewhere.

SAFETY
We all want Belichick to find an upgrade to Richards. Maybe, this will be the year. Our top 3 are among the best in the NFL. In any case, no upgrades are needed.

CORNER
We have Gilmore, Rowe, J Jones, and C Jones.
I expect us to re-sign/extend Badmosi. He's a fine #5 CB, a STer who can start.
I would like to see us bring in a top nickel back; the cost would not be great. At very least, I see Belichick bringing in 2-3 corners to compete with the Jones boys, and perhaps Rowe (although I think that Belichick is fine with Rowe starting).
 
I have a morbid curiosity to see what a defense with Jordan Richards and Cyrus Jones on the field together at the same time looks like.

I am thinking it had best look like the punt coverage team
 
Richards is from all accounts one of the most stand up guys in the locker room and he has the physical measures to play in the box safety - in theory.

But between the Chiefs game, the JuJu Smith Shuster play, and his many Super Bowl blunders, there’s enough evidence out there to prove that him being on the field leads to disastrous outcomes.
 
Cyrus Jones has athletic talent I think the kid is so close to putting it together.

He’s definitely not someone we should be giving up on, but I’m not sure what you’ve seen thus far that would make you feel confident about “being close?”
 
I have a morbid curiosity to see what a defense with Jordan Richards and Cyrus Jones on the field together at the same time looks like.
I’d rather spend an entire afternoon breaking down the 2 losses to the Giants and the recent loss to Philly than have to endure that kind of torture.
 
I have a morbid curiosity to see what a defense with Jordan Richards and Cyrus Jones on the field together at the same time looks like.
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I'm not sure how close he is, but I liked Cyrus as a corner, and thought he had the ability to be a very good slot man. I still think he can be a player-- it would be a big bonus if he can return to health and return punts without the yips.

I would imagine Jordan Richards is in camp next year, as he is a valuable special teamer. My hope is he spends all of his time in camp as a linebacker.

They kept 2 safeties on their practice squad the whole season, and I wouldn't be surprised to see those guys in the mix for roster spots
 
If we look at the evolution of the DB corps it seems as though this is more valued by BB than initially.. there was a time when it seemed that BB believed he could take an average QB and "coach them up" and turn him into a quality starter.. that seems to have changed recently, am not sure he is going to just "settle" and may be looking for an upgrade in this area..
 
I am definitely a Bademosi fan and hope he re-signs. I would expect J. Jones to improve, assuming he fully recovers from his injury.
Cyrus Jones is interesting, I am more concerned about his ability as a corner than as a punt returner. I don't watch much NCAA, was he any good in coverage at Alabama?
Plus, we have a couple guys on the practice squad that I don't really know much about.
 
It seems to me that the balance of "positional importance" in NFL secondaries in general, and especially with the Pats, has been gradually shifting from CB to Safety as "nickel packages" have now more or less become the default defensive alignment. The Pats even played a 4-safety "dime" almost the entire time in the SB (which is a big part of the "football reason" that Butler didn't see the field, whether folks want to accept that or not).

I think this is all in response to the uptick in the numbers of mobile QBs, plus the increase in the popularity of RPO-type offensive play packages, plus the need to reduce defensive substitutions in the face of the no-huddle and hurry up.

So, the value of a DB who can man-up on a slot WR, as well as on RBs and TEs, plus play the run well enough to be the second LB (effectively) in 4-2-5 alignments has increased tremendously.

The Pats currently have two guys who can handle this (or have): Chung, primarily, and McCourty (at least to a greater degree in 2017 than in the past). Both turn 31 this coming August. Harmon has handled this role some in the past, too, so it's interesting that he appeared to be used more this season as the deep centerfielder, sorta swapping roles with McCourty.

And then there's Richards. Yeah, he's been pretty terrible. That he's the current backup and "dime safety" is unfortunate, but perhaps also an indication of how difficult it may be to find someone who can master this role. However, Richards now has three seasons of experience in the Pats system and has become a key special-teamer (being inserted as the personal protector on the punt unit in Ebner's absence is not insignificant). Plus, until a clear upgrade is actually under contract, Richards is all they have (and he's still relatively cheap).

The "experience" aspect is also not insignificant, in terms of how the Pats may address the position/role this season. It allows the Pats more latitude to try college prospects, perhaps even with an early draft pick. The alternative would be to try to find an affordable NFL player who's covered a similar role elsewhere. Such a guy would still lack experience in the Pats specific system and schemes, however. There would still be a significant learning curve.

Also currently on the roster, the Pats have (former UDFAs) Travis and Jones on future contracts off the P-squad. They've already experienced the transition from college life to NFL life and apparently performed well on the scout team all season. They'll very likely be in the mix this off-season and Camp, with a slight advantage over any rookies, at least at the beginning.

One outside possibility is Bademosi, if he's re-signed. Sure, he pretty much sucked in the safety role in the SB, when he was inserted for Chung temporarily on an emergency basis. However, he has decent size (6006/200+) and athleticism, he's a great tackler on ST, and he performed very well in coverage at CB for two games when both Rowe and Gilmore were injured (and it's notable that opposing QBs continued to pick on Butler instead of Bademosi and Jon Jones in those games). If he's re-signed, it certainly wouldn't hurt to invest in training him as another ST/backup for this role.

Obviously, another alternative would be to seek that (almost mythical) "coverage LB" who also plays the run very well, and is big enough to adequately stuff A and B gaps, as well as to set the edge when necessary. It seems to me that the Pats may be somewhat more likely to pursue both a coverage LB and a Safety upgrade this off-season than in the past.

Meanwhile, at CB, the Pats have:
... Gilmore
... Rowe
... Jon Jones
... Cy Jones (IR, ACL)
and Ryan Lewis, Jomal Wiltz from the P-squad.

Aside from Gilmore, there's not a whole lot of NFL experience in this group. So, the Pats may be more inclined to go with an NFL free agent than a draftee to backfill at CB. Still, I'm doubtful that they'll "go big" or make a trade unless they're significantly concerned about the development/availability of both Rowe and Jon Jones.
 
I am definitely a Bademosi fan and hope he re-signs. I would expect J. Jones to improve, assuming he fully recovers from his injury.
Cyrus Jones is interesting, I am more concerned about his ability as a corner than as a punt returner. I don't watch much NCAA, was he any good in coverage at Alabama?
Plus, we have a couple guys on the practice squad that I don't really know much about.

IIRC, I don't think Cy Jones was a mainstay coverage guy for 'Bama.

For the Pats, he played limited snaps at CB in 2016 and in the 2017 pre-season before he was injured, mostly at RCB or slot. I don't think he looked awful - maybe about the same level as Coleman.
 
I think with Richards it comes down to what BB wants to get out of a #4 safety. It seems like he values that as a ST spot that can play spot defensive duty in a pinch. The use of Richards so often this year on regular defense was due to some combination of A) The coaching staff giving him chances due to good things they see in practice (which obviously did not translate to the game), and B) a lack of options for other types of packages.

I think if we can upgrade at CB (difficult when we already have to replace a starter) or linebacker, it might open up some different options to play out there instead of so many safeties. If that happens, Richards can stay as a ST and emergency S. If not, I have to believe there's someone who can give us 80% of what he does on ST and be a better regular contributor.

It'll be interesting to see how they approach it.
 
I expect Butler to play elsewhere.

SAFETY
We all want Belichick to find an upgrade to Richards. Maybe, this will be the year. Our top 3 are among the best in the NFL. In any case, no upgrades are needed.

CORNER
We have Gilmore, Rowe, J Jones, and C Jones.
I expect us to re-sign/extend Badmosi. He's a fine #5 CB, a STer who can start.
I would like to see us bring in a top nickel back; the cost would not be great. At very least, I see Belichick bringing in 2-3 corners to compete with the Jones boys, and perhaps Rowe (although I think that Belichick is fine with Rowe starting).
I expect Butler to play elsewhere.

SAFETY
We all want Belichick to find an upgrade to Richards. Maybe, this will be the year. Our top 3 are among the best in the NFL. In any case, no upgrades are needed.

CORNER
We have Gilmore, Rowe, J Jones, and C Jones.
I expect us to re-sign/extend Badmosi. He's a fine #5 CB, a STer who can start.
I would like to see us bring in a top nickel back; the cost would not be great. At very least, I see Belichick bringing in 2-3 corners to compete with the Jones boys, and perhaps Rowe (although I think that Belichick is fine with Rowe starting).

Sounds about right.

The problem at CB is the prima-donna level that some of those players have on the FA market. Those guys shop themselves around which usually prices them way out. BB will do some late 20 something JAG camp invites like he always does, get so UDFAs in there, and go with a early/mid rd draft pick probably as well.

This David Amerson character is runnig around right now shopping himself like he's some high profile player. BB wisely stays away from these types. Anyone who gets drafted by the Skins and then prices themselves out with a massive ego, only to land in Oakland and now shopping himself, is a major red flag. People like him because he's 6'3.

I agree on Bademosi. I actually think he is more of a Safety, which is why I thought he would be good on Ertz when Chung went down. I am not going to keep getting into that stuff, but he's one of our best in-space tacklers (yes, I know he over-ran the Agholor play, but Aaoholor makes a lot of people whiff), he's smart and a coachable player. He also has solid range/size at a "big" 6'1.

Richards has to go. Someone screwed that analysis up royally in the scouting department. Nice kid, smart, but I always thought he was too small and his body is just weird. It's like small, but wiry. You better be really fast and have some range if that is the case, but he doesn't have it.
 
I am definitely a Bademosi fan and hope he re-signs. I would expect J. Jones to improve, assuming he fully recovers from his injury.
Cyrus Jones is interesting, I am more concerned about his ability as a corner than as a punt returner. I don't watch much NCAA, was he any good in coverage at Alabama?
Plus, we have a couple guys on the practice squad that I don't really know much about.

I like Jones a lot. I couldn't believe he wasn't drafted. Fastest guy at the Combine. His 38" vertical completely removes any fears of his 5'8 size. He was being groomed (IMO) to take over for Butler in the slot anyway. It'll be him and a draft pick, and yes, along with Cy Jones competing in the middle. Who knows, maybe Cyrus Jones just somehow flips the switch? I have not seen a bigger headcase as a draft pick than this guy. It's either going to flip or his career is over.
 
Rowe's gonna have to play a lot better than what i saw in the super bowl if he will be our second corner.
 
I believe that Belichick believes that his starters are fine.

IMHO, Richards is a top STer, and will therefore stay. However, he is a liability on the field (as is King and Ebner), so he should be an STO player.

I don't see both Jon and Cy Jones making the team, but that is a decision for late August.

I think if we can upgrade at CB (difficult when we already have to replace a starter) or linebacker, it might open up some different options to play out there instead of so many safeties. If that happens, Richards can stay as a ST and emergency S. If not, I have to believe there's someone who can give us 80% of what he does on ST and be a better regular contributor.

It'll be interesting to see how they approach it.
 
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