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BB does not need to address it publicly. He does need to address it with the team.

He doesn't need to, but if he doesn't, speculation will continue. I know he doesn't care, though, really.
 
This is the absolute same situation as the Jamie Collins trade but people just don't want to believe it, so Butler MUST have knocked out Steve Belichick while practicing high out of his mind so Bill had to bench him!

Collins was an All Pro who had a mediocre season...he was and still is a vastly superior linebacker in comparison with Elandon Roberts. And yet Belichick shipped him out for basically nothing.

Did Collins regress so much that Bill couldn't use him over freakin Roberts? Did Collins beat up a coach, or got high, or was missing practices? No.

He might have freelanced on a few plays, but how many coaches would trade an All Pro linebacker, a Super Bowl winning talent in the middle of a winning season for peanuts?

My comparison is not to criticize the Collins trade but to draw a parallel between one seemingly big part of the defense getting permanently shut down and another big part of the defense getting permanently shut down.

Belichick decided these guys are no longer a part of his team and that's it. Both moves shocked and divided the locker room, both moves shocked and divided the boards and the Pats community. Go back and re-read the Collins trade thread...it's more or less the same thing as this one. Collins HAD to have done something egregious to be traded, it couldn't have been just his play!

The only difference is that the team had an ample time to adapt and get over it, and Belichick pulled this stunt an hour before the biggest game of the year.
I've had similar thoughts.

Warning: More speculation.

I'll take it one further.

In December the NEP approached Malcolm again about a contract extension. He rejected it. It "insulted him".

Malcolm did say he wanted to resign with the team last week. That triggered something.

He tried to control himself but his frustrations boiled over during SB week. One thing led to another.....

See Collins. See Moss as how BB has handled these issues when the player is "gone"
 
And Belichick chose him. Assistants don’t draft they just give their take. Had Brady busted you would have blamed Belichick, not Rehbein.



Very glad the GOAT took Rheban's advice.

Too bad he F'd up the SB by not playing Butler and wreaking the entire result with his STUPID decision.
 
And the Pats got an INT but nobody's talking about that either.


Because it was created by the WR knocking the ball in the air, not by a bad throw or any action by the Pats D to create the INT. BTW grats to Harmon on a head up play.
 
Belichick went on a freaking ego trip to stick it to Butler because he figured that the defense would be good enough to win without him anyway. And when that was proven wrong he still didn’t put him in because he didn’t want to lose face so he held onto the hope that the GoAT would bail his ass out yet again.
 
I'm reposting my rant from the Bill Belichick thread that was locked yesterday for no good reason (I sort of feel like Butler). Although I have calmed down somewhat I am still mad at BB, as it appears that there really was no good reason to bench Butler for the Super Bowl other than some vague, BB didn't like what he saw. Maddening.

"Bill Belichick cost us the Super Bowl with his lame, stupid, petty, ridiculous benching of Malcolm Butler. There are two other "coaching decisions" in BB's tenure that I thought he was dead wrong on that cost us games - not going for a make-able indoor FG in the 2007 SB with a young Gost as kicker who he didn't trust, and going for it on 4th and 2 in Indy up by 5 and in our own territory (where Faulk actually made the 1st down, but we got a terrible spot and Peyton Manning shortly took the ball the other way and scored a TD). This one is by far the worst decision, because he had about 40 chances to correct it and never did.

Did Malcolm screw up and piss you off? Yep, sounds like he did, but for God's sake use your head coach instead of your friggin ego. Throw him off the team plane on the way home! Ban him from the victory party! Announce in front of everyone that he'd better clear out his locker the second you get back to Foxboro! Tell him and his agent there is no amount of a discount that would let you sign him again, and leak all his immature antics to the press to make sure he doesn't get big money elsewhere. These are just some of the ways you could have punished Malcolm Butler, and Malcolm Butler ALONE for what he did.

Instead you intentionally (yes, intentionally - how can it be anything else if you didn't put him in for the 2nd half?) LOST THE SUPER BOWL and screwed your ENTIRE TEAM and your 40 year old QB who gave the Super Bowl performance of his career just to prove your point, whatever that was. And then you have the audacity to tell all of us, including your SCREWED PLAYERS that you were doing the best thing for your team, packages, and all that CRAP. Then you make your one statement, go on vacation, and leave your SCREWED PLAYERS to repeat to the press IN BILL WE TRUST, even though none of them believe it. Did you see their faces on the sideline during the game? You really screwed this up. You are lucky I am not Bob Kraft because I would have considered firing YOU and banning YOU from the team plane on the way home.

I can't tell you how maddening it was to be at the game and see completion after completion on 3rd & long to Butler's side of the field. It was shocking how bad our defense was. I assumed Butler was injured or sick and that's way Eric "Revolving Door" Rowe was playing in his place. I couldn't believe the reports after the game that Malcolm Butler was intentionally benched, apparently right before the game. ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME?! YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Not only did that give Philly a choice spot to pick on for the entire game, it screwed with the rest of the defense's heads. Philly was giddy. You could see it in their faces on the Jumbotron after all of those huge 3rd down conversions. Now we know why - the greatest coach ever left his brain at home and sacrificed the good of his team to show that nobody gets to piss off the teacher. Wow. No wonder Brady couldn't shake anyone's hand and Gronk is considering retirement. I am sure they are both thinking, what the hell am I doing here? We play all year to get to and win the Super Bowl and coach throws it all away on us as we are running out of the tunnel. AND sticks to it when he sees how bad the D is playing without Butler. Moronic $h!+ that usually happens to other coaches in the Super Bowl, not BB.

Flame away. I know BB is a great coach and he usually makes great, calculated decisions. But this Super Bowl loss is 100% on him."
 
Because it was created by the WR knocking the ball in the air, not by a bad throw or any action by the Pats D to create the INT. BTW grats to Harmon on a head up play.

You still gotta catch it.
 
No wonder Brady couldn't shake anyone's hand and Gronk is considering retirement. I am sure they are both thinking, what the hell am I doing here?

Brady did shake some players' hands on the field and was in the tunnel to shake more of their hands later.
 
Are you just arguing to try and be funny. We all appreciate BB, but he had an awful day of coaching on Sunday. Probably cost us the SB, not his finest moment
The defense was awful. assuming butler would be the savior is a stretch considering
1) we played just as bad maybe worse with him in there
2) Bill Belichick after coaching him due 4 years and watching him practice felt he couldn’t help the team
3) there were likely other factors going on that would have affected his performance
 
The defense was awful. assuming butler would be the savior is a stretch considering
1) we played just as bad maybe worse with him in there
2) Bill Belichick after coaching him due 4 years and watching him practice felt he couldn’t help the team
3) there were likely other factors going on that would have affected his performance

But to not even try him for one series or, hell, one snap is ludicrous if the other team is marching up and down the field. You have nothing to lose at that point.
 
But to not even try him for one series or, hell, one snap is ludicrous if the other team is marching up and down the field. You have nothing to lose at that point.
You have everything to lose.
Think of it this way. You think you have your best players on the field and you have a guy who ckearly is going through some issue that scared you so bad you turned him from every snap to zero snaps.
Why would you, when you need a stop, but that guy in?
 
You have everything to lose.
Think of it this way. You think you have your best players on the field and you have a guy who ckearly is going through some issue that scared you so bad you turned him from every snap to zero snaps.
Why would you, when you need a stop, but that guy in?

Would the Eagles have gotten more than 6 points if Butler was playing in the series on which they scored a TD? I'll hang up and listen.
 
I'm reposting my rant from the Bill Belichick thread that was locked yesterday for no good reason (I sort of feel like Butler). Although I have calmed down somewhat I am still mad at BB, as it appears that there really was no good reason to bench Butler for the Super Bowl other than some vague, BB didn't like what he saw. Maddening.

"Bill Belichick cost us the Super Bowl with his lame, stupid, petty, ridiculous benching of Malcolm Butler. There are two other "coaching decisions" in BB's tenure that I thought he was dead wrong on that cost us games - not going for a make-able indoor FG in the 2007 SB with a young Gost as kicker who he didn't trust, and going for it on 4th and 2 in Indy up by 5 and in our own territory (where Faulk actually made the 1st down, but we got a terrible spot and Peyton Manning shortly took the ball the other way and scored a TD). This one is by far the worst decision, because he had about 40 chances to correct it and never did.

Did Malcolm screw up and piss you off? Yep, sounds like he did, but for God's sake use your head coach instead of your friggin ego. Throw him off the team plane on the way home! Ban him from the victory party! Announce in front of everyone that he'd better clear out his locker the second you get back to Foxboro! Tell him and his agent there is no amount of a discount that would let you sign him again, and leak all his immature antics to the press to make sure he doesn't get big money elsewhere. These are just some of the ways you could have punished Malcolm Butler, and Malcolm Butler ALONE for what he did.

Instead you intentionally (yes, intentionally - how can it be anything else if you didn't put him in for the 2nd half?) LOST THE SUPER BOWL and screwed your ENTIRE TEAM and your 40 year old QB who gave the Super Bowl performance of his career just to prove your point, whatever that was. And then you have the audacity to tell all of us, including your SCREWED PLAYERS that you were doing the best thing for your team, packages, and all that CRAP. Then you make your one statement, go on vacation, and leave your SCREWED PLAYERS to repeat to the press IN BILL WE TRUST, even though none of them believe it. Did you see their faces on the sideline during the game? You really screwed this up. You are lucky I am not Bob Kraft because I would have considered firing YOU and banning YOU from the team plane on the way home.

I can't tell you how maddening it was to be at the game and see completion after completion on 3rd & long to Butler's side of the field. It was shocking how bad our defense was. I assumed Butler was injured or sick and that's way Eric "Revolving Door" Rowe was playing in his place. I couldn't believe the reports after the game that Malcolm Butler was intentionally benched, apparently right before the game. ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME?! YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Not only did that give Philly a choice spot to pick on for the entire game, it screwed with the rest of the defense's heads. Philly was giddy. You could see it in their faces on the Jumbotron after all of those huge 3rd down conversions. Now we know why - the greatest coach ever left his brain at home and sacrificed the good of his team to show that nobody gets to piss off the teacher. Wow. No wonder Brady couldn't shake anyone's hand and Gronk is considering retirement. I am sure they are both thinking, what the hell am I doing here? We play all year to get to and win the Super Bowl and coach throws it all away on us as we are running out of the tunnel. AND sticks to it when he sees how bad the D is playing without Butler. Moronic $h!+ that usually happens to other coaches in the Super Bowl, not BB.

Flame away. I know BB is a great coach and he usually makes great, calculated decisions. But this Super Bowl loss is 100% on him."
So your argument is because you don’t knkw the reason there must be no reason and you know better from afar than Bill Belichick I’m the trenches how to run a football team.


Let me ask you this. Why do you think belichick didn’t play butler?
 
Would the Eagles have gotten more than 6 points if Butler was playing in the series on which they scored a TD? I'll hang up and listen.


not sure what you mean, but their chances on agholor would have been better with butler on him and chung on ertz.....those 2 dominoes fell and cost the pats big
 
Would the Eagles have gotten more than 6 points if Butler was playing in the series on which they scored a TD? I'll hang up and listen.
So you want B.B. to be able to watch the series then hit rewind and make changes?

By your argument let’s play Gronk at lb and Brady at corner because they scored so it couldn’t have been worse.
 
The defense was awful. assuming butler would be the savior is a stretch considering
1) we played just as bad maybe worse with him in there
2) Bill Belichick after coaching him due 4 years and watching him practice felt he couldn’t help the team
3) there were likely other factors going on that would have affected his performance

How does the Kool-aid taste today?
 
How does the Kool-aid taste today?
Sorry I’m not part of the lynch mob looking for someone to attack because the team I root for lost a game.
By the way I’m being realistic, and you are drinking the butler koolaid.
 
Would the Eagles have gotten more than 6 points if Butler was playing in the series on which they scored a TD? I'll hang up and listen.

 
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