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looking back at the game, it's not like the Pats had any blown coverages..most of the Eagles key first downs were good throws and their receivers being open by just a step or 2.
Compare that to the Eagles secondary where Brady was chucking it downfield sand guys were wide open.
The downfall was lack of pressure on Foles..just needed one key sack, hurry, or knock down..never got one.
 
Pretty much done with this. It's over and it's getting time to move on. Highly doubt he'll be back and they lost.

Just gonna have to live with the what if for eternity. Being the question? Could Butler had made one or two 3rd down stops if he played?We will never know and now I guess all you can do is move on and hope this team gets better with returning personal from ir, draft and free agency. New d coordinator, possible new schemes and hope the competition doesnt close the gap.

Big questions for me now is Solder and Lewis returning. Hope they can make it work somehow.
 
He really fell off the cliff vs Titans and Jaguars ... add in he had the flu and struggled in practice and the rest is history. We got beat by a great team that has an awesome O-line needs to be a part of any intelligent discussion.

That cliff was not high enough (pun intended) to play Bademosi over him. Two of them played together while Rowe and Gilmore were out and coaching staff had to devise a plan to prevent other team`s go-to WR line up against Bademosi as much as possible. And then an inexperienced (both in terms of overall and playoff experience) CB whose main assignment is with STs gets a nod over Butler in the most important game of the season? Yeah, right.
 
I need another release...



Disciplining a player for a minor team violation by benching him for the SB..... man o man.. The Cowboys ran into a similar problem and the coach in the locker room said "you broke the rules and we'll need to deal with that, but we'll deal with it after the super bowl"

There is audio and video of it. That is how a reasonable coach would handle things unless the violation was a serious offense


If this was for a minor team rule violation, then it was absurdly idiotic to bench him the entire game. He could have fined him or something after the fact.. it's obvious that it was a shock to not only Butler, but the entire defensive secondary as well

That is not a tone/mood you want to set for your team 30 minutes before they march out in front of 100 million people to play in a super bowl.

I love me some BB, but if there was nothing physically limiting Butler from contributing in that game then he was a damn fool for benching him and that is the type of thing that could get your players to turn on you... it destroys moral and is devastating...

Sometimes being the cold as ice disciplinarian can back fire on you, and this is a perfect example of that.

I could seriously move on from this SB loss with relative ease if it weren't for this ****ing fiasco.. its just really tough to swallow when your defense was playing like ****ING TRASH ALL GAME LONG! your 2nd best CB who has Superbowl experience is riding the bench and they're putting in SCRUBS like Jordan Richards who have running backs running wheel routes for 30+ yards! WHAT THE ****!!!!


So incredibly frustrating... one of the only times I've been genuinely angry at Belichick and questioned his judgement... I hope the truth comes out as to exactly what transpired... if Butler didn't do anything egregious then it's total bull**** that he was benched.. he absolutely could have been the difference in that game, with 1 batted ball on a 3rd down that forced Philly to punt rather than score ANOTHER ****ING TOUCHDOWN!




AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
 
looking back at the game, it's not like the Pats had any blown coverages..most of the Eagles key first downs were good throws and their receivers being open by just a step or 2.
Compare that to the Eagles secondary where Brady was chucking it downfield sand guys were wide open.
The downfall was lack of pressure on Foles..just needed one key sack, hurry, or knock down..never got one.
And the run defense. They lived in favorable down and distances all day.
 
I don't know if Butler would've changed the outcome, but I do know he would've been better than those scrubs who were out there. There is no excuse for why he was active but not on the field, especially because the D was looking worse and worse as the game went on. Belichick claimed he was doing what was best for the team, but the decision had to have been a petty one, given the dysfunction of the defense, which has always been sorry, but that SB game was a level of garbage. The players are supporting Butler. Belichick screwed up and one can argue that it was intentional. I mean Brady publicly supporting Butler is telling.

It's got nothing to do with interpreting. Brady KNOWS damned well that his public support and effusive praise of Butler at this time would fan flames.

Flames that burn at Belichick.

This thing ain't over by a long shot.

Brady was making a statement. He truly ain't been giving no effs lately, and I like it. He's no longer a corporate mannequin-zombie-statue-robot stooge for Belichick. He dropped his doc in the weeks leading into the SB, not caring about the potential distraction. He went off on K&C about comments on his daughter, even though they had nothing to do with comments, even though he did not need to confront them in that interview. He could've had Stacy James to call WEEI privately and voice his displeasure and options moving forward, but Brady wanted a distraction. He's become all about Brady and his brand, but he did his part Sunday, unlike Belichick.

Who can blame him...

Belichick threw him under the bus with Deflategate. He did everything but cry a river over Garappolo, after Garappolo's departure. Then he stripped Brady of his opportunity to build up his client list for TB12 by removing Guerrero from the sidelines.

Sunday he cost Brady one more ring, like he did in 2011, with that trash he calls a defense.

Brady realize, like Belichick, that he can do whatever he wants. Even Kraft has discussed these colliding "egos." Brady knows Belichick is overrated garbage without him and he only needs 4 more years to prove the TB12 Method works, so he can draw in all sorts of clients, and retire finally. Brady might be getting a reality check in the next year or so stay tuned.

Last point:

See the last episode of Tom vs Time, where Brady was asked if the MVP award mattered to him. Brady hesitated and said he would win the "player of the week" award in February. Funny Brady would bring up "player of the week, " when they were discussing MVP. Was that shade at Belichick or Wickersham?

Wickersham is a sham and a shame, but I do believe the point of his story, just not the added fiction for dramatic effect.

I agree about the lousy gameplan etc, but it’s freaking Bill Belichick that we’re discussing, here. Even if he made a costly mistake to lose a big game by sticking to his guns, shouldn’t we be appreciative of the fact that he’s a human being who may have messed up and made a poor choice? Yes, it sucks but it happens. He may have made a bad call. He’s done it before and he’ll likely do it again.

The dude is clearly the greatest coach of all time who has helped to make 13-3 seasons a regular thing around these parts. He’s helped lead us to 12 conference championship appearances in like, 18 years. Should we really continue to bash him and try and run him out of town? He obviously thought that Bademosi and Rowe would play better, and a lot of other factors went into us losing. Yes, the loss stings but I’m moving on from blaming him 100%. Lots of stuff happened that contributed, namely 3 touchdowns that could’ve been overturned but went their way.

Clearly? No. Take away those first, three SB seasons and Belichick has clearly been mediocre at best like the rest of 'em, if they were blessed enough to have Brady at QB. It's time to wake up and put some Folgers in that cup.

Add 8 SB using a QB he picked, mentored, coached and built an offensive system around.

Oh but that doesn't fit your narrative....

Stop acting like Brady wouldn't be selling insurance today, if it weren't for Bledsoe's injury. Belichick gets too much credit for accidentally finding out that some trash he drafted in the 6th could be more than roster decoration. If Bledsoe was making less money, he would've started and lost that SB, and been the starter until his retirement, and Belichick would be a defensive coordinator somewhere. Good thing, Brady knows how the "Patriot Way" really works, its how he survived Garappolo.

I credit Brady for his hustle and luck with Bledsoe's injury, not Belichick.

And system... what system? A bunch of undersized, mediocre or hasbeen players, outside of Gronk, with no star appeal, which allows him to go on paying them low dollar until they finally get some recognition and get booted out of the system. Haha... Funny.
 
I need another release...



Disciplining a player for a minor team violation by benching him for the SB..... man o man.. The Cowboys ran into a similar problem and the coach in the locker room said "you broke the rules and we'll need to deal with that, but we'll deal with it after the super bowl"

There is audio and video of it. That is how a reasonable coach would handle things unless the violation was a serious offense


If this was for a minor team rule violation, then it was absurdly idiotic to bench him the entire game. He could have fined him or something after the fact.. it's obvious that it was a shock to not only Butler, but the entire defensive secondary as well

That is not a tone/mood you want to set for your team 30 minutes before they march out in front of 100 million people to play in a super bowl.

I love me some BB, but if there was nothing physically limiting Butler from contributing in that game then he was a damn fool for benching him and that is the type of thing that could get your players to turn on you... it destroys moral and is devastating...

Sometimes being the cold as ice disciplinarian can back fire on you, and this is a perfect example of that.

I could seriously move on from this SB loss with relative ease if it weren't for this ****ing fiasco.. its just really tough to swallow when your defense was playing like ****ING TRASH ALL GAME LONG! your 2nd best CB who has Superbowl experience is riding the bench and they're putting in SCRUBS like Jordan Richards who have running backs running wheel routes for 30+ yards! WHAT THE ****!!!!


So incredibly frustrating... one of the only times I've been genuinely angry at Belichick and questioned his judgement... I hope the truth comes out as to exactly what transpired... if Butler didn't do anything egregious then it's total bull**** that he was benched.. he absolutely could have been the difference in that game, with 1 batted ball on a 3rd down that forced Philly to punt rather than score ANOTHER ****ING TOUCHDOWN!




AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Your conclusion is right (based on your assumptions) but your assumptions are wrong.
 
Now Schefter is reporting it was strictly performance based.
 
Almost 2900 posts later and there is scant evidence that if Butler played the outcome would have been different, I know I am in the minority, but thought Malcolm had a bad year for the Pats and was often out of position and confused in his role. He was not a difference maker on the Defense this year..

He may have made a difference, but no one really knows.. my hope for Butler is that he finds a competent agent, not someone aunt Tilly knows, and navigate the waters of free agency with a favorable outcome...

What is not talked about is how well Foles played in that game, pinpoint accuracy in pretty good coverage.. some of the completions were as good as any I have ever witnessed in a SB..

The Eagles outplayed the Patriots and this is what happened..
I don’t think Butler was amazing this year either. Very up and down. But he played with a lot of tenacity, made some really solid tackles, and led the defense in turnovers. That last reason alone kinda makes me feel like the guy would’ve made a small amount of difference.
 
Yea I'm kinda worn out of this topic. We've all said our peace.

Malcolm will be with another team in 2 months. BB will have 124 candidates for CB2 and we'll all move on.
The worst part about all of this? We didn’t get any trade value for a guy we ended up just benching in the Super Bowl anyways. Now THAT really sucks!
 
Stop acting like Brady wouldn't be selling insurance today, if it weren't for Bledsoe's injury.
Belichick gets too much credit for accidentally finding out that some trash he drafted in the 6th could be more than roster decoration. If Bledsoe was making less money, he would've started and lost that SB, and been the starter until his retirement, and Belichick would be a defensive coordinator somewhere. Good thing, Brady knows how the "Patriot Way" really works, its how he survived Garappolo.

I credit Brady for his hustle and luck with Bledsoe's injury, not Belichick.

Cool your jets, pal. No one is saying that.

Belichick drafted Brady. Call it pure luck or solid scouting. The decision was his. He made it. He gets credit.

The decision was also his to carry him as a 4th QB and let him develop and learn the pro game for a year. He gets credit for that too.

The decision was also his to make him the QB2 behind Drew. He would have made him QB1 but Drew's experience held him back. He gets credit for recognizing what he had in Tom.

When Drew got hurt, the team reported Brady was put in the game based on Drew's performance. Again, good decision by BB.

You can be sure TB12 earned everything he got but he also had a coach who provided and environment to foster his development.

To not acknowledge that is ignorant and blind.

And system... what system? A bunch of undersized, mediocre or hasbeen players, outside of Gronk, with no star appeal, which allows him to go on paying them low dollar until they finally get some recognition and get booted out of the system. Haha... Funny.

I'm talking about the offensive system they run. Their game plans. If you want to argue "Brady was the system" that is fine. Hes the greatest QB of all time. But to not acknowledge BB/Weis/Josh/BOB taking the system they had and ensuring TB12's strengths were taken advantage of is short sighted and and again, blind.

Tom could have easily wound up with a ****head like Jeff Fisher or Mike Martz but he didn't.

It was a perfect storm for Bill and a perfect storm for Tom.
 
The worst part about all of this? We didn’t get any trade value for a guy we ended up just benching in the Super Bowl anyways. Now THAT really sucks!
When you make that statement in that context....I feel even more ****tier than I did.

Thank you.

:p
 
“Performance based”

That is absoutley maddening.

Belichick watched his defense get embarrassed in the Super Bowl and somehow thought Butler wouldn’t help. I mean that is just totally unreal.

I seriously question how some of you are not pissed about this. A title was lost due to stubbornness and ego. It doesn’t get any worse than that.
 
After sleeping on it (again) I think there is still way more to this than we know.

It makes zero sense on multiple levels.

I think there are multiple liers here

Yeah, I think you are right. Here is another possible scenario. Butler missed the trip out not because of an illness but because of something else. He did miss curfew and he did get caught with weed. BB was going to bench him but did not want the Eagles to know. So, he used Butler as a way to gain a competitive advantage. If he made him inactive, the Eagles could have had 90 minutes to plan. Instead, he sprung it on them and on Butler. He did not even tell the rest of the team before hand, to make sure nothing leaked. I assume BB thought this would work out better and the change in defense would have caught the Eagles by surprise but instead, they relished the change.

BB took a gamble and he lost. No harm in that. BB is always trying to gain even that little inch and that is why it was handled the way it was.
 
I seriously question how some of you are not pissed about this. A title was lost due to stubbornness and ego. It doesn’t get any worse than that.

It happened in 1996. We're used to it by now.
 
It happened in 1996. We're used to it by now.
Different regime. Different circumstances.

What happened in 96 was a power struggle between a newish owner and a headstrong coach. Parcells may have had one foot out the door, but he didn’t force Drew Bledsoe to throw four interceptions.

This was an ego trip by a Coach who is judge, jury and executioner and doesn’t answer to anyone. He could’ve relented at any point, but didn’t, even though he saw the writing on the wall with his defense being completely overmatched. It’s appaling and one of the worst decisions not only Belichick has made, but maybe in the history of the game.

To purposely handicap your team in the Super Bowl is just unfathomable.
 
I'm talking about the offensive system they run. Their game plans. If you want to argue "Brady was the system" that is fine. Hes the greatest QB of all time. But to not acknowledge BB/Weis/Josh/BOB taking the system they had and ensuring TB12's strengths were taken advantage of is short sighted and and again, blind.

Tom could have easily wound up with a ****head like Jeff Fisher or Mike Martz but he didn't.

Look at the difference in Goff and Keenum with Fisher vs. with competent coaches. Brady is the greatest, but if he had ended up with a team with an idiot head coach his career path would have been radically different. And likely a lot worse.
 
No. Butler wasn’t ready to play and contribute. Which part of that do you not get?


What you care about is irrelevant. Go get hired as hc of NEP if you want your opinion to matter.


They were worse week 1 with butler on the field being lit up and then benched. Surprise the chiefs and eagles run the same offense.

How did his replacements contribute? They sucked. I am Bademosi was biting on peewee football stuff. Ridiculous.

Guarantee you Butler would have been better. Mayo thinks the same, but you know more.
 
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