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JOSH IS STAYING!!

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Seriously stop ruining this thread with this SB/Butler ********. There is a 2000 page Megathread for that. Let people enjoy Josh screwing the Colts for a bit without all that drama..

I'm not the one who keeps on bringing the superbowl, genius.... I'm addressing people who keep on brining up the superbowl in response to my posts about Patricia and McDaniels in the context of coaching posistions. Christ.
 
Make all the excuses you want, the team has spent considerably on defense. 5 of the top 10 cap hits are on defense vs. 4 on offense (Ghost is 10th).

Solder is the only Patriots 1st-round pick on offense. We traded a 1st for Cooks so you can count him if you want. Gronk is the only skill position player taken on day 1 or 2, with Thuney being a day-2 pick.

McCourty, Hightower, and Brown are all 1st round picks. Chung, Jones, and Richards were 2nd rounders, with Chung having to leave and come back before we found out how to use him. Gilmore was a huge free agent signing, one of the biggest in recent history.

One side of the ball is consistently good. One side of the ball is up and down.

And that's fine. I don't believe Josh is head and shoulders a favourite over Patricia.

But you seem locked-in that Matty P is a consensus choice over Josh. I don't understand this irrational overconfidence.

And who do you blame for personnel?
 
All true, but Tom does consider Josh a binky (similarly, Julian Edelman is nobody's idea of a top receiver, but he certainly is to Tom) and you have to keep your MVP happy.

Absolultey. That's why I believe Brady had something to do with Josh staying.
 


This makes me very happy tonight. it's like a win after the loss Sunday. Eff the Colts, they started the whole deflategate mess.

I just recapped the whole "i resign as HC of the NYJ's" for my 19 yr old son, who hasn't seen The Two Bills yet. I think it's great theater. Brilliant.

As my signature says, The North Remembers.
 
MARK IT DOWN - the first primetime game for the Pats next season = Indianapolis @ New England

Also hoping the Patriots get a Thanksgiving date with the Detroit Lions and Patricia...would be a great chess match
 
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Let me spell it differently for you: Butler on the field would have contributed to at least 1 if not more Eagles drives that ended up in points, to end up in a 3-and-out instead. Given that except for one Eagles drive, all ended in points, stopping them on at least ONE drive would have been the difference to give us the win. And if that was the case (Brady hoisting the Lombardi), no one would have counted points or even cared to remember that the Eagles pounded points down our throats. We're only talking about it now because we lost the game. And I think, personally, just my opinion, that we ended up losing that game because our whole defense had to shift due to Butler's absence. Take it however you want. Patricia can only work with whatever Belichick hands him.

I thought you were talking about whether the New England Patriots would elevate Patricia to head coach.

I know your personal opinion about the impact of Butler's benching.

Do you think that is how Patricia would be evaluated after his defense gave up 41? This is different from reading out the black box on what happened against the Iggles - to which neither of us has access, only opinions.

This is a question of whether you believe that Matt Patricia's star would have risen, and McDaniels' would have declined, based on an offense that scored 33 and a defense that scored 41.

I don't think you "spelled" anything one way or another. You just repeated an opinion, which - while it might have some validity - is simply an unproven counterfactual.

There is no "The Patriots have never lost a game with Butler at cornerback" track record you can rely on in relation to your claim (not that that's a 100% guarantee of causation, but I digress.)

The way that you and many others tell it, though, it's an ironclad, beyond-question conclusion that MB's absence on the field is the beginning and the end of the story.

Furthermore, Belichick used the plural pronoun, if I remember, "we" made a coaching decision.

While we're in the rabbit hole, how do you know it wasn't Matt's idea?
 
Why is that? He never accepted the job so they could have moved on at any time.


I love screwing the Colts, no franchise deserves it more,

What are you talking about? He was still hiring guys this morning some of whom signed the contracts on the word he was coming.
 
This really does line Josh up to be next-in-line for a couple of reasons:

1. The team made a "commitment" to him, which sounds like they are going to pay him to wait.

2. He said he was concerned about uprooting his family, but he's still going to have his kids over the next few years so that concern will last longer than BB will be around, and

3. I don't think another team will seriously give him a shot to be their HC after watching him string along two teams the past few off-seasons.

The Colts are screwed now, having let all the other top candidates sign elsewhere. And all those new coaches have hired all the top assistants too so even if they could get a top-notch coach, he would be at a serious disadvantage to begin with.

So I don't think another team is going to let him do that to them. They will not take him seriously, seeing how deep his roots are in New England. Josh probably knew that if he turned down the Colts, he'd have very few options in the future, and must have had some type of assurance from Robert AND Jonathan since we don't know when Robert will go.

Putting it all together and I think Josh will wait now, and if BB was serious about not coaching into his 70s, puts that at around 5 years and ticking.
 
Absolultey. That's why I believe Brady had something to do with Josh staying.

It would make sense: “He knows me so well,” Brady said. “He knows me by the look on my face, and vice versa. I communicate with him more than I communicate with probably anybody in my life.”
 
Closest thing I can remember was in 2007 when Florida basketball coach Billy Donovan actually accepted a job as head coach of the Orlando Magic, had a press conference where he was introduced, then one day later got cold feet, quit, and returned to UF.

He was supposedly never going to get a shot at the NBA.

8 years later, he's coach of the Oklahoma Thunder.

So I guess time and continued success can fix things.
Sure but 8 years is a long time.
 
I love the move while Josh is an OC and Brady is here.

I don't want him as a head coach especially after Brady, how often have people on this board say Pats assistants fail as head coaches because they try and be Bill, well no one tries harder to be Bill than Josh McDaniels.
I'm happy with Josh as our future HC, attempting to continue the culture already built instead of bringing in a new guy. And who else in our organization better to eventually take over?

Not saying it will workout but I think it's the smartest choice.

The best part short term is that our offense will remain at an elite level provided that nothing crazy happens with Gronk. We need to overhaul this defense though starting with the front seven. And hopefully a better coach than Patricia.
 
I thought you were talking about whether the New England Patriots would elevate Patricia to head coach.

I know your personal opinion about the impact of Butler's benching.

Do you think that is how Patricia would be evaluated after his defense gave up 41? This is different from reading out the black box on what happened against the Iggles - to which neither of us has access, only opinions.

This is a question of whether you believe that Matt Patricia's star would have risen, and McDaniels' would have declined, based on an offense that scored 33 and a defense that scored 41.

I don't think you "spelled" anything one way or another. You just repeated an opinion, which - while it might have some validity - is simply an unproven counterfactual.

There is no "The Patriots have never lost a game with Butler at cornerback" track record you can rely on in relation to your claim (not that that's a 100% guarantee of causation, but I digress.)

The way that you and many others tell it, though, it's an ironclad, beyond-question conclusion that MB's absence on the field is the beginning and the end of the story.

Furthermore, Belichick used the plural pronoun, if I remember, "we" made a coaching decision.

While we're in the rabbit hole, how do you know it wasn't Matt's idea?

Fair enough on your last point, but you have to agree that had we won the Superbowl (with or without Butler), no one would be talking about the number of points our defense surrendered. It would have been all about the GOAT and this team as a dynasty.
 
Oh man, seeing this restored my hope.

Now I’d party harder than the eagles if butler is resigned. Listening to mc hammer
 
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports there are still doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he may require additional surgery.
 
It would make sense: “He knows me so well,” Brady said. “He knows me by the look on my face, and vice versa. I communicate with him more than I communicate with probably anybody in my life.”

"And unlike Giselle, I can scream and tell him to GFY without him getting bent out of shape... "
 
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