Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[Chris Stevenson]

Because Tom just confirmed it.

Umm, where?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I was referring to that vague weird article he posted back in summer:

Making sense of how Malcolm Butler and Patriots are on verge of a split

The one he later apologized for.

Now I remember.

Mike "The Oracle" Reiss.

 

[mosslost]

That's crazy.

you would know

 

[Steve102]

I don't believe Malcolm and his "not disciplinary" post. Nor do I believe BB when he said it's not disciplinary. I do think that when Bill said it's a long story, there's probably many layers. I can't wrap my head around Butler being good enough for 98% of the snaps throughout the season and then, suddenly, he's not good enough to even sniff the field, in a game where they are getting lit up like a Christmas tree. It's mind blowing.

I think I am gonna sit this out until we get the real deal.

 

[SVN]

I'm of the opinion that BB is the GOAT coach. It also doesn't mean he is perfect, far from it.

Just like Gregg Popovich tried justifying Tim Duncan's benching at the end of game 6 of the 2013 Finals and I understand why, but even in real time before the Benedict Allen shot I disagreed with his reasoning and was proven right. It doesn't mean Pop isn't one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time.

If even for tactical reasons, unless BB felt Butler couldn't possibly produce better than any of Rowe/Bademosi/Richards, it is ridiculous to say his decision to bench Butler for the ENTIRE game isn't at the very least questionable. It hurt the team tactically, and potentially the morale to a certain degree even if very little.

If butler doesnt make that pick vs seattle or they run the ball and score, BB's lack of timeout instinct would get debated till this day. Its okay because he took a chance there. When you lose you are bound to be critical of things which couldve helped. So questioning the butler situation is just logical. I dont know why its wrong to ask this when there is no plausible reason . Doesnt diminish belichick's greatness. Its sports.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sorry sir, but its time for YOU to start defending the choice that MAY have cost the time the title.

Which choice?

 

[Deus Irae]

Update: Tom Brady has commented on Butler’s Instagram post: “Love you Malcolm! You are and incredible teammate and player and friend. Always!”

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Sorry sir, but its time for YOU to start defending the choice that MAY have cost the time the title.

Someone just said above "cost TOM another ring"...

Hint for Ballwashing Brady Lusters who are Millennials, don't know the game very well, never went to the old Foxborough Stadium and are mocked by non-Pats fans everywhere because they can't ever admit when Brady does something bad or wrong (and the old, creepy guys with Brady jerseys):

This is a TEAM sport, it's not just about adding more laurels to Brady's HOF resume.

 

[luuked]

We have the Head coach saying it wasn't disciplinary. Why are you so pressed to believe a bunch of beat guys reporting rumors and not believe your own coaches words?

Jesus learn to read man. I didn't say it was disciplinary. I said that him breaking that curfew rule is what essentially triggered BB after a week of reportedly bad practices when he already missed time in the previous week since he was sick.

Just go and read what Thornton wrote.

Barstool Sports

This is pretty much my take on it all.

 

[Joey007]

I’m just looking at one thread with 100+ pages and another with 40+ both discussing the same damn thing, wondering why... we can all fight in one place, don’t let our board chaos spill out all over the city like Philadelphia!

Lol. I normally wouldn’t care either way, but I had a rough Sunday night. So I’m just trying to feel like I’m winning something here.

 

[SVN]

LOL

So, you don't bench a guy who is yapping at coaches during SB week, missed meetings, curfews, etc?

When DO you bench a guy from starting? When he bangs Linda Holiday?

Why not deactivate him and send him home. If you are activating him just in case gilmore or one the DB's gets injured then your disciplinary measure is a moving scale.No ?

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I don't believe Malcolm and his "not disciplinary" post. Nor do I believe BB when he said it's not disciplinary. I do think that when Bill said it's a long story, there's probably many layers. I can't wrap my head around Butler being good enough for 98% of the snaps throughout the season and then, suddenly, he's not good enough to even sniff the field, in a game where they are getting lit up like a Christmas tree. It's mind blowing.

I think I am gonna sit this out until we get the real deal.

Well what about going to kraft. I am sure kraft asked his employer why butler didn't suit up. The media should go after kraft.

 

[Kdo5]

We have multiple beat guys independently confirming that there was a curfew issue and that he had a visitor in a restricted area.

We have multiple beat guys saying he was often frustrating to coach and required extra work so he would participate in the Patriots program the way BB & co wanted.

We even have that vague Reiss article from camp that was so head scratching back then but starts to mesh with things other writers are putting out now.

Those are all things he essentially denies in this post. I will go with the beat guys who got to know him over those 3-4 years and not the scorned CB who is heading on a wave of controversy into free agency.

Nvm

 

[patsinthesnow]

That seemed pretty noteworthy for the leader of the team to like/comment his support for Butler claiming he didn’t do anything wrong and deserved its own thread, but what do I know.

 

[Deus Irae]

Which choice?

Your arguments have been really bad, and you've been making things up to fit your narrative. You should either eat some crow or step away.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

My goodness...So Brady likes the guy's fairwell address and somehow that means Brady is at odds with BB?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My god.

Dear Millennials: Please get to colleges and get real, live corporate world experience in some fashion.

Thank you,

American Taxpayers (Gen X and Boomers)

 

[Ring 6]

Oh, I totally agree that Bill made an idiotic and almost unforgivable decision that cost Tom another Super Bowl, I'm just stunned Tom is publicly confirming everything.

You should be stunned because he didn’t. He liked the post of a teammate thanking the fans and saying goodbye.

 

[Joey007]

I just don’t think there’s any speculation to be had on this one. This is just one teammate showing love and appreciation to another teammate.

 

[chasa]

Which choice?

Giving butler ZERO snaps in the superbowl, after he played 98% of the teams snaps prior to the game.

There are two sides.

1.)Those that think Butler should have played more then 0 snaps
2.)and those that can't think beyond "Bill made a choice so thats a choice"

You have chosen option 2.

We now have statements from BB and Butler saying he didn't break any rules.

So instead of blaming butler its time for you to either defend you blind faith in BB choosing richards and bademosi over butler, Or for you to leave the discussion. That's how discussions work.

Of course i know you are not going to defend your stance, so i don't know why i'm even trying to explain this.

 

[luuked]

It won’t at all. Pete caroll’s decision to throw the ball in the super bowl tore his team apart. It may not be that bad with NE but it certainly won’t blow over. The players feel that Butler was SCREWED.

By whatever date the OTAs begin none of what happened the year before will matter anymore. That has been the modus operandi in successful and unsuccessful seasons. 2018 wont be any different.