Content Post Dear Bill - Thanks for Giving Away the Super Bowl.

[jbtp05]

1. I am sure Butler did something, but cant let that affect the outcome of the SUPERBOWL;
- You can bench him for quarter like Wes.
- Worst he plays only second half after you see your defense gets torched for 22 points (could have been 24 if eagles didnt miss XP and had to got for failed 2pt on the next touchdown).

2. Bill doesnt enforce rules uniformly to everyone. Bill has been selective in his punishment according to the player - like Chandler Jones playing after his weed incident but CUTTING Tiquan underwood a day before Superbowl (cold as hell). If this was 2015, in the same situation, Bill would have played Butler !!!

3. The way his benching was handled was the worst. By breaking the news at the last hour it surely impacted other players. To see a guy who has been around for 3 years , (playing most snaps during that time) getting dressed but benched for the SUPERBOWL will surely bring others down. Going by Gilmore and Rowe's after game response and Bademosi liking the Browner post - seems at least CBs DID NOT like the handling and it must have affected the game plan and their play. We have seen similar bad handling of players in 2003 and last year affect other players. But at this time, they didnt have time to adjust !!

 

[Soliel]

Well BB should stop saying he did what's best for the team because he clearly didn't do that. Just say we played with what we had. He sounds like a jerk by saying that stuff.

Bill said it wasn't disciplinary.

So either Malcolm didn't break a rule OR Bill lied, in which case, Bill is breaking his own rules of "no lying" which means Bill should be fired by your Zero tolerance policy logic.

I don’t have a zero tolerance policy but B.B. does. This is well known among ex players and current ones


I’ll agree that he should go ahead and say what the deal is and not be distant however, that’s not gonna happen and we know that. In his mind he is doing what’s best. The guy brought the team to eight Super Bowls. I think he deserves to be trusted on when to bench a player ok

 

[lancerman]

Correct.

Malcolm was part of a winning game plan.

For whatever reason, it just didn't happen.

The reason it didn't happen is because the coach didn't allow him to play. That's the base reason.

We can speculate all day why the coaches felt that way, but at the end of the day it didn't happen because the coach made a decision. If it was disciplinary, the coach still had to choose if it was worth benching him. If it was poor practices, the coach still had the chance to test out other options. The coach didn't want it to happen, so it didn't.

When it comes to coaching decisions, buck stops with the coach, he makes the decisions.

 

[lancerman]

I don’t have a zero tolerance policy but B.B. does. This is well known among ex players and current ones


I’ll agree that he should go ahead and say what the deal is and not be distant however, that’s not gonna happen and we know that. In his mind he is doing what’s best. The guy brought the team to eight Super Bowls. I think he deserves to be trusted on when to bench a player ok

He doesn't have a zero tolerance policy. He's been very selective with guys like Jones

 

[Soliel]

You don't know that. Belichick didn't say Butler broke rules. Butler didn't say he broke rules.

Ok well guess two thousand reports are wrong and bill just benched him to **** everyone off and purposefully lose over Garoppolo right?

 

[RobertWeathers]

And again even if they lost COMPLETE CONFIDENCE in him. They were getting torched like no Patriots team in the Belichick era has gotten torched. There was no incentive to not say "what we are doing isn't working, let's try this out for two plays".

At that point even if Butler gets wrecked, it's no worse than Bademosi and Rowe getting wrecked on the same plays. Then you can be justified in it.

At what point does that happen? 5 minutes to go when the team is up 33-32?

This is like a fire starting in your house having a bucket of water and two fire extinguishers and saying "this brand doesn't work as well so I'm using the other one" then using it and watching the fire not go out and grow and then when someone says they should try the other one to say "no I'm using this one that's not working because I don't trust the other one".

It's stupid. You had nothing to lose at that point

What if the using that firehose damages the foundation in which the house is built on.

How can you rebuild?

 

[Big Bucks]

that's a pathetic excuse. It was no illness to go out driving a car in the state he was in it was a crime against all citizens.

So what was to blame, if his alcoholism wasn't. You cannot think that he woke that day with the thought of getting totally smashed and then go for a drive to purposely put others and him at risk surely.

 

[lancerman]

Ok well guess two thousand reports are wrong and bill just benched him to **** everyone off and purposefully lose over Garoppolo right?

So then the reports are right and Belichick is a liar.

 

[PatsDeb]

Couldn’t have said it any better. If it were a discipline OR performance issue, go ahead and bench him, but for heaven’s sakes put him in if you have nothing to lose in the 3rd/4th quarter. My guess is BB thought Brady would pull off another comeback in the second half.

He DID pull off another comeback in the 2nd half! We took the lead, remember? Then BB put the same unworkable defense back out there and the results were predictable (i.e. no ability to stop the Eagles and another score). Then Brady had to be perfect (on a day where he almost was) and he got strip-sacked. You're not going to say that outcome is on Brady I hope.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He didn't get the chance

You've got to be kidding me. You're forgetting it's the Super Bowl. If BB benched Malcolm for freelancing then he's even worse than I have been ranting about.

Mike Tomlin is available for the right price. Perhaps you think hed do a better job.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

1. I am sure Butler did something, but cant let that affect the outcome of the SUPERBOWL;
- You can bench him for quarter like Wes.
- Worst he plays only second half after you see your defense gets torched for 22 points (could have been 24 if eagles didnt miss XP and had to got for failed 2pt on the next touchdown).

2. Bill doesnt enforce rules uniformly to everyone. Bill has been selective in his punishment according to the player - like Chandler Jones playing after his weed incident but CUTTING Tiquan underwood a day before Superbowl (cold as hell). If this was 2015, in the same situation, Bill would have played Butler !!!

3. The way his benching was handled was the worst. By breaking the news at the last hour it surely impacted other players. To see a guy who has been around for 3 years , (playing most snaps during that time) getting dressed but benched for the SUPERBOWL will surely bring others down. Going by Gilmore and Rowe's after game response and Bademosi liking the Browner post - seems at least CBs DID NOT like the handling and it must have affected the game plan and their play. We have seen similar bad handling of players in 2003 and last year affect other players. But at this time, they didnt have time to adjust !!

This coaching staff would never ask the players whether benching Butler would have an impact on their play for the game. It’s “this is our decision, deal with it.”

 

[scott99]

Not reading this whole thread, but I agree his own ego, benching Butler cost the game. Butler probably was a 5-7 point difference just in his own, because if you put him on Agahlor, who destroyed us, he probably contains him. Also Butler is an excellent tackler, how many times did we see guys miss tackles in that game. Also his coverage skills possibly causes Foles to hold on to the ball longer, which could cause a sack or bad throw.

Bottom line, Butler is the Pat’s 2nd best CB, period, despite Belichick’s ******** line about trying to give the team the best chance to win, it certainly had the opposite effect, and had an effect on his own locker room. My only confusion is, if your trying to discipline a guy, don’t even dress him, dress someone else, who knows, maybe Kenny Britt makes some plays once Cooks went down. Don’t dress the guy and then sit him the whole game, it’s actually an insult to the inactives. You telling me Branch couldn’t have helped against the run game ?

Just a horribly coached game by Belichick, and horrible management, decision wise (Butler).

 

[mosslost]

So what was to blame, if his alcoholism wasn't.

driving ****!d was too blame.. is this even a real question?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Mike Tomlin is available for the right price. Perhaps you think hed do a better job.

No one is saying “fire Bill.” But this “BB has won 5 super bowls so let’s not criticize him” stuff is getting old. Do people criticize Brady for throwing an INT in big games despite winning 5 super bowls? Absolutely, but no one is saying get rid of the guy.

 

[Soliel]

So then the reports are right and Belichick is a liar.

Right. He’s not being honest bout why he did this. But, in his mind it was a football decision. He’s not lying he’s leaving out details

 

[IllegalContact]

You mean we can no longer speculate and just make **** up? Thats no fun.

I think we've run out of **** to make up.......unless you want to start blaming unicorns and the phase of mars

 

[TB_Helmet]

@QuantumMechanic you've been pretty disagreeable. You post good stuff on here, let's hear your take on ButlerGate.

 

[lancerman]

At what point does that happen? 5 minutes to go when the team is up 33-32?



What if the using that firehose damages the foundation in which the house is built on.

How can you rebuild?

1. Run Butler in a couple packages on a few 3 or 4 plays in a defensive series and evaluate whether it works after that. Probably at the start of the second half. You have up 22 points by that point.

2. That's not remotely how it works. A fire extinguisher doesn't damage the foundation of the house. Butler going in for a couple plays isn't going to screw up the whole defense worse that it already was.

 

[Ring 6]

No one is saying “fire Bill.” But this “BB has won 5 super bowls so let’s not criticize him” stuff is getting old. Do people criticize Brady for throwing an INT in big games despite winning 5 super bowls? Absolutely, but no one is saying get rid of the guy.

You are criticizing him while admitting you don’t know the facts.
It’s insanity to judge a decision without facts.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

He DID pull off another comeback in the 2nd half! We took the lead, remember? Then BB put the same unworkable defense back out there and the results were predictable (i.e. no ability to stop the Eagles and another score). Then Brady had to be perfect (on a day where he almost was) and he got strip-sacked. You're not going to say that outcome is on Brady I hope.

The only reason the team was in a position to win was Brady. My point was that BB thought Brady was going to pull off a comeback at halftime so decided to leave Butler on the bench.