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Content Post Dear Bill - Thanks for Giving Away the Super Bowl.

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I feel sorry for high school athletes who break team rules and get booted off the team for having a drink. They are kids and don't know any better. I feel zero sympathy for a professional athlete signed to a huge contract that won't follow the team rules and gets benched for the biggest game in the world. He let his team down, he let the fans down and he should be ashamed.
 
FWIW, and I am backtracking slightly from my initial anger towards Bill regarding butler’s benching, but michael kay in NY was reporting that he heard that Butler got caught with weed on saturday and this has been a problem for quite some time now. apparently butler was previously given an ultimatum by the team. hard to blame Bill for benching him, but i would have sat butler and put him in when the team needed him most (i.e., the second half). It seems as if Bill did not want to reward Butler’s bad behavior. If this is the case, most of the blame goes to Butler for being stupid the day before the super bowl (can’t he smoke weed the following night?). Part of the blame goes to Bill for not thinking about 52 other players.
 
Oh, so you think BB did the right thing?!

It is clear to me BB felt what Malcolm did or had been doing was conduct so egregious he would not be in a position to help the team.

**** he'd allow Lawrence Taylor to walk in hungover with panties on his head the Sunday before a game. Difference...he knew Lawrence knew the gameplan and was going to produce. Same thing with Chandler Jones.

Why don't you ask Gronk & Brady if they think BB handled this correctly, right before the Super Bowl?

I don't care what they think. Their performance was not impacted.

Don't tell me who to root for.

Don't act like a Steelers fan. If you want Mike Tomlin to coach this team then just say so.
 
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If this is true then I wouldn't say I'm 100% with BB, but it's funny how no one is holding Malcolm Butler accountable. If true, he let his team down in the biggest moment.

It had to be something big.

BB is not crazy. A minor offense he would hold Butler out a quarter or two.
 
Hi @PatsDeb :

I respect your opinion and am happy that you are here representing a lot of us female fans of the Patriots. I am of the belief that we should wait and see what happened and what the reason is that Bill decided to sit Butler. I am positive it wasn't performance related. Something happened.

What if the night before, Butler threw a punch at or pushed a coach, is that grounds for sitting him in the game? I'm not saying that happened, but as of now we just don't know. What if he was late to meetings or broke curfew, is that grounds for him sitting? As of now, we don't know all the information.

Just my little two cents.
 
I just won't damn Belichick without knowing why it was done. Butler is headed for FA. Any team looking at him is going to want to know what happened so it's bound to come out. I can at least wait until then until I start reviling someone I have spent 25+ years (SB XXV, that game plan was brilliant) respecting.
 
FWIW, and I am backtracking slightly from my initial anger towards Bill regarding butler’s benching, but michael kay in NY was reporting that he heard that Butler got caught with weed on saturday and this has been a problem for quite some time now. apparently butler was previously given an ultimatum by the team. hard to blame Bill for benching him, but i would have sat butler and put him in when the team needed him (i.e., the second half). It seems as if Bill did not want to reward Butler’s bad behavior. If this is the case, most of the blame goes to Butler for being stupid the day before the super bowl (can’t he smoke weed the following night?). Part of the blame goes to Bill for not thinking about 52 other players.

Thank you for the info.
 
Just to be clear, people are defending Butler not because they have any great love for him but because his absence cost the team the Super Bowl. There's literally zero justification for that.

Even if he broke team rules and you think having a culture where people who follow the rules is necessary for success, events just proved that success doesn't follow.
 
Just to be clear, people are defending Butler not because they have any great love for him but because his absence cost the team the Super Bowl. There's literally zero justification for that.

Even if he broke team rules and you think having a culture where people who follow the rules is necessary for success, events just proved that success doesn't follow.
Bull crap. The Patriots made it to the Superbowl and have won multiple superbowls because of the team rules. If, MB didn't follow the rules it is all on him.
 
Just to be clear, people are defending Butler not because they have any great love for him but because his absence cost the team the Super Bowl. There's literally zero justification for that.

Even if he broke team rules and you think having a culture where people who follow the rules is necessary for success, events just proved that success doesn't follow.

Not you Deb, but I think the rest of you guys angry at BB should smoke some weed and calm down.

We will find out what happened.
 
I am loathe to agree with Skip Bayless, but I have to get this rant off my chest.

Bill Belichick cost us the Super Bowl with his lame, stupid, petty, ridiculous benching of Malcolm Butler. There are two other "coaching decisions" in BB's tenure that I thought he was dead wrong on that cost us games - not going for a make-able indoor FG in the 2007 SB with a young Gost as kicker who he didn't trust, and going for it on 4th and 2 in Indy up by 5 and in our own territory (where Faulk actually made the 1st down, but we got a terrible spot and Peyton Manning shortly took the ball the other way and scored a TD). This one is by far the worst decision, because he had about 40 chances to correct it and never did.

Did Malcolm screw up and piss you off? Yep, sounds like he did, but for God's sake use your head coach instead of your friggin ego. Throw him off the team plane on the way home! Ban him from the victory party! Announce in front of everyone that he'd better clear out his locker the second you get back to Foxboro! Tell him and his agent there is no amount of a discount that would let you sign him again, and leak all his immature antics to the press to make sure he doesn't get big money elsewhere. These are just some of the ways you could have punished Malcolm Butler, and Malcolm Butler ALONE for what he did.

Instead you intentionally (yes, intentionally - how can it be anything else if you didn't put him in for the 2nd half?) LOST THE SUPER BOWL and screwed your ENTIRE TEAM and your 40 year old QB who gave the Super Bowl performance of his career just to prove your point, whatever that was. And then you have the audacity to tell all of us, including your SCREWED PLAYERS that you were doing the best thing for your team, packages, and all that CRAP. Then you make your one statement, go on vacation, and leave your SCREWED PLAYERS to repeat to the press IN BILL WE TRUST, even though none of them believe it. Did you see their faces on the sideline during the game? You really screwed this up. You are lucky I am not Bob Kraft because I would have considered firing YOU and banning YOU from the team plane on the way home.

I can't tell you how maddening it was to be at the game and see completion after completion on 3rd & long to Butler's side of the field. It was shocking how bad our defense was. I assumed Butler was injured or sick and that's way Eric "Revolving Door" Rowe was playing in his place. I couldn't believe the reports after the game that Malcolm Butler was intentionally benched, apparently right before the game. ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME?! YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Not only did that give Philly a choice spot to pick on for the entire game, it screwed with the rest of the defense's heads. Philly was giddy. You could see it in their faces on the Jumbotron after all of those huge 3rd down conversions. Now we know why - the greatest coach ever left his brain at home and sacrificed the good of his team to show that nobody gets to piss off the teacher. Wow. No wonder Brady couldn't shake anyone's hand and Gronk is considering retirement. I am sure they are both thinking, what the hell am I doing here? We play all year to get to and win the Super Bowl and coach throws it all away on us as we are running out of the tunnel. AND sticks to it when he sees how bad the D is playing without Butler. Moronic $h!+ that usually happens to other coaches in the Super Bowl, not BB.

Flame away. I know BB is a great coach and he usually makes great, calculated decisions. But this Super Bowl loss is 100% on him.


When the hell did Malcolm Butler become the Patriots entire defense?

The Patriots entire defense played like crap, and they were outcoached. Belichick deserves some blame but talk about firing him etc... is baths.t crazy.
 
Hi @PatsDeb :

I respect your opinion and am happy that you are here representing a lot of us female fans of the Patriots. I am of the belief that we should wait and see what happened and what the reason is that Bill decided to sit Butler. I am positive it wasn't performance related. Something happened.

What if the night before, Butler threw a punch at or pushed a coach, is that grounds for sitting him in the game? I'm not saying that happened, but as of now we just don't know. What if he was late to meetings or broke curfew, is that grounds for him sitting? As of now, we don't know all the information.

Just my little two cents.

People (like myself) are just reacting emotionally now because Butler probably would have made the difference. But we don’t know all the facts, as you say. I am leaning on believing Rapaport and that it was a confluence of factors that just pushed Bill over the edge.
 
Just to be clear, people are defending Butler not because they have any great love for him but because his absence cost the team the Super Bowl. There's literally zero justification for that.

Even if he broke team rules and you think having a culture where people who follow the rules is necessary for success, events just proved that success doesn't follow.
Events proved no such thing they are not mutually inclusive.
 
Just to be clear, people are defending Butler not because they have any great love for him but because his absence cost the team the Super Bowl. There's literally zero justification for that.

Even if he broke team rules and you think having a culture where people who follow the rules is necessary for success, events just proved that success doesn't follow.
You can argue the inverse.

Malcolm didn't follow rules or prepare the way he should have and success did not follow.
 
Just to be clear, people are defending Butler not because they have any great love for him but because his absence cost the team the Super Bowl. There's literally zero justification for that.

Even if he broke team rules and you think having a culture where people who follow the rules is necessary for success, events just proved that success doesn't follow.
18 years of success proves success follows.
 
It's 2018, everybody acknowledges weed is far less dangerous than alcohol at this point and there's a goddamn minibar in every hotel room.

Utter bollocks, my missus is a psychiatric nurse and sees every day the damage done by weed, she sees many people whereby they try weed once and have there life's destroyed when the chemical balance in there brains are altered by such drugs. Several are 20+year cases.
 
I get the passion and anger and disappointment around this (I've found myself on the verge of a rant just like PatsDeb's above), but I urge us all to be more 'Gisele-like' until we know more... (and probably even after)..



(That image with his family is top-ten heartbreaking stuff. I freakin hate losing Super Bowls!)
 
Look the modern NFL is all about parody and for the most part, this is true. The Pats could easily be 8-0 as well as 0-8 in the Super-Bowl. Really. Each game has come down to the wire with everything decided by a play or two. The Pats have a 62.5% win percentage, which is not bad; lower than his regular season performance but not something to be ashamed of.
 
You can argue the inverse.

Malcolm didn't follow rules or prepare the way he should have and success did not follow.
That’s nonsense.

He was ACTIVE on the field. Belichick could of played him at any freakin point in a sixty minute game where his defense was getting embarrassingly lit up in the Super Bowl of all games.

Telling me that keeping Butler glued to the bench becuase he was late once or had a little weed on him is proving the OPs point that Belichick literally threw the game. Who the hell cares if he was late? Who the hell cares if he had weed on him? These were clearly isolated incidents that could’ve been handled in-house with a small reprimand and nothing more.

You play him and after four quarters, he’s a free agent and you never have to see him again.

To not play him is literally the worst coaching decision, arguably in the history of the Super Bowl and it cost this team a championship.

Malcolm Butler makes at least one stop that Bademosi or Rowe couldn’t.

Tom Brady only needed one stop to win that game. He never got it.
 
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