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[IllegalContact]

Super Bowl XLII: Handed the defense the keys with the lead. Result - Loss.

Super Bowl XLIV: Handed the defense the keys with the lead. Result - Loss.

As for the "hint"? Source?

Super bowl XLIX: Handed defense the keys with the lead. Result - Win.

Super bowl LI: Handed defense keys several times down 25. Result - Win.

When the pats don’t score 21 in the SB, they lose......don’t blame the defense

 

[sb1]

Super bowl XLIX: Handed defense the keys with the lead. Result - Win.

Yep. Funny what happens when we have a defense that for the first time in years actually doesn't suck.

 

[IllegalContact]

Yep. Funny what happens when we have a defense that for the first time in years actually doesn't suck.

2011, defense gave up 17 in the SB....they were not the reason they lost....how many SB have been won with the offense scoring 14?

 

[Nehalem]

Super bowl XLIX: Handed defense the keys with the lead. Result - Win.

If the offense scores 28 points in SB 42 or SB 46. Result - Win

Fact: The last time a SB winner scored 14 or fewer points was 1973
Fact: Since 1975 only one time has a SB winner scored less than 20 points; the Giants in SB42.

 

[Nehalem]

2011, defense gave up 17 in the SB....they were not the reason they lost....how many SB have been won with the offense scoring 14?

One.

The Miami Dolphins in SB7

 

[sb1]

2011, defense gave up 17 in the SB....they were not the reason they lost....how many SB have been won with the offense scoring 14?

They were not THE reason (I never said they were) but they certainly were a very large reason. It's myopic or in denial to say they were not to blame and it was all on the offense.

As I said. Giving up nearly 30 carries/115 yards and 7 first downs to the league WORST rush offense... and an 88 yard game losing TD drive...sorry. There is plenty of blame that should go their way.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Like I said... laughable.

Like I said:

BACKPEDAL

If you can't counter with facts and reality, you can't really prove a point.

13 points allowed by an undermanned D off a Lockout (no OTAs, no camp, etc), with injuries everywhere, and our GOAT QB could not get our team into FG range even ONCE in the second half.

Remember the XMAS eve game that year vs Miami when they couldn't get past midfield?

LOL!

Everyone was looking around the room wondering what on earth Brady was doing. How is it even possible in this era to not get past midfield for a whole half?

Horrendous!

That pattern repeated itself ALL YEAR. Brady's INT rate skyrocketed in November and fans spent like 6 weeks trying to deflect away from his subpar play.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

One.

The Miami Dolphins in SB7

LOL!!!

SB7.....is this 1973?

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Except nobody is claiming Sanchez was "gawd awful" in that game. And for good reason. He had one embarrassing play but still threw for over 300 yards and had 8.4 yards per pass attempt.

Stop pretending the defense played well in the Super Bowl to further your argument. They stunk.

Big time.

Umm, Sanchez WAS god awful as he usually was. I am claiming it. There.

 

[sb1]

Like I said:

BACKPEDAL

If you can't counter with facts and reality, you can't really prove a point.

13 points allowed by an undermanned D off a Lockout (no OTAs, no camp, etc), with injuries everywhere, and our GOAT QB could not get our team into FG range even ONCE in the second half.

Remember the XMAS eve game that year vs Miami when they couldn't get past midfield?

LOL!

Horrendous!

That pattern repeated itself ALL YEAR. Brady's INT rate skyrocketed in November and fans spent like 6 weeks trying to deflect away from his subpar play.

I am countering with facts and reality. I'm not the one that is calling a historically awful defense good.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

That's right. That was pathetic. Nobody is going to convince me the defense played well in Super Bowl 46. They were lousy all year and lousy in that game too.

Yes, an oddly shaped ball bouncing in another direction back into the hands of the opponent is somehow "pathetic".

Yeah, the Pats offense neevr recovers its own fumbles from time to time or anything like that.

Shame on the D for not using their Vulcan mindmeld tricks to get that ball to bounce directly to a Patriot.

lmao

 

[sb1]

Yes, an oddly shaped ball bouncing in another direction back into the hands of the opponent is somehow "pathetic".

Yeah, the Pats offense neevr recovers its own fumbles from time to time or anything like that.

Shame on the D for not using their Vulcan mindmeld tricks to get that ball to bounce directly to a Patriot.

lmao

You'd think this good defense you keep talking about could recover at least one of them in the biggest game of the season. Funny how that didn't happen huh?

Just stop dude. The defense was trash and any other opinion is simply wrong.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

I am countering with facts and reality. I'm not the one that is calling a historically awful defense good.

They played BETTER and closer to their ceiling than the offense did with the GOAT QB in an offensive era vs the "27th ranked" Giants D. So, the Pats allowing 35 yards more per game than the Giants, signifies ONLy the Pats D is "historically" bad even though the Pats D led the conference in turnovers created.

You can't led the conference in a defensive category and be "historically bad". That's impssible.

I can rattle off dozens upon dozens of defenses every year, going back 60 years, showing you actual BAD defenses. Bad defenses also don't win conference championship games when their own offense sucks.

Are you Tony Mazz, Felger, etc, or just someone else who doesn't understand the sport?

Comical stuff here.

Felger also tells us the cap doesn't matter, yet 75% of the league in in a cap hell with a 20+ mil pe year QB that is nowhere NEAR that value in the market, so you tell me you want to side with here.

I would suggest putting the Brady footie pajamas into the washing machine.

PS Keep in mind, the anti-BB media has been pushing "historically bad" this year, too, but are they?

LOL

Keep showing us why you don't understand the sport as well as others.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

You'd think this good defense you keep talking about could recover at least one of them in the biggest game of the season. Funny how that didn't happen huh?

Just stop dude. The defense was trash and any other opinion is simply wrong.

Defense outplayed our own offense in the title game and in the Super Bowl.

This is an indisputable fact based on what actually happened.

Brady SUCKED. FACT

You can do it! Come on, big guy! Say it with me..."Br-ady SUCKED"

 

[Chris Stevenson]

No, Billy Cundiff got us into SB46 when he missed an easy game tying FG after the defense allowed the Ravens to march from their own 20 to the Pats 14 with barely a minute and a half left.

When Eli got the ball for the last time in Super Bowl 46... anyone with a brain knew the outcome wouldn't end well for the Pats.

Like I said. The defense was bad. Period.

No, Sterling Moore knocked the winning TD away, leading to the missed FG. Do you even watch these games or just study meaningless stats for fantasy football during Tony Mazz/Felger broadcasts?

Prior to that Spikes tried to help ice the game, but Brady morphed into Jay Cutler (again) and lobbed a wounded duck into triple coverage to all world WR, Matt Slater, as BJGE and his 8 carries for 50 yards rode the bench because apparently BJGEhad sex with Linda Holiday during halftime which put him in BB's doghouse.

True story.

 

[sb1]

They played BETTER and closer to their ceiling than the offense did with the GOAT QB in an offensive era vs the "27th ranked" Giants D. So, the Pats allowing 35 yards more per game than the Giants, signifies ONLy the Pats D is "historically" bad even though the Pats D led the conference in turnovers created.

You can't led the conference in a defensive category and be "historically bad". That's impssible.

I can rattle off dozens upon dozens of defenses every year, going back 60 years, showing you actual BAD defenses. Bad defenses also don't win conference championship games when their own offense sucks.

Are you Tony Mazz, Felger, etc, or just someone else who doesn't understand the sport?

Comical stuff here.

Felger also tells us the cap doesn't matter, yet 75% of the league in in a cap hell with a 20+ mil pe year QB that is nowhere NEAR that value in the market, so you tell me you want to side with here.

I would suggest putting the Brady footie pajamas into the washing machine.

PS Keep in mind, the anti-BB media has been pushing "historically bad" this year, too, but are they?

LOL

Keep showing us why you don't understand the sport as well as others.

Give it a rest bro. You're losing this argument big time.

It's safe for you to admit that the defense was hot trash because you'd not only be right, also it wouldn't really hurt your real argument that Brady wasn't motivated enough without JG around.

I would disagree with the idea that Brady, a guy drafted at #199 overall who through hard work became the GOAT and who people to this day still call a cheater needs motivation from a backup QB but at least your argument is from a place of reason.

 

[sb1]

Defense outplayed our own offense in the title game and in the Super Bowl.

This is an indisputable fact based on what actually happened.

Brady SUCKED. FACT

You can do it! Come on, big guy! Say it with me..."Br-ady SUCKED"

LOL. U mad?

 

[Kontradiction]

Was NE's D "terrible" last year vs Atlanta, or did the offense suck so bad in the first half vs a very mediocre D, they put the D in bad positions more so than their level of play in an offensive era?

NE's offense never scored again in the second half of SB 46. Explain how this is a good thing. We'll wait for your answer, ahem, I mean deflection attempts. lmao

They scored on the first drive of the second half. Second drive ended in a sack and 5 yard loss - not the fault of Brady. Third drive ended on an interception where Brady had Gronk one on one with a LB. I'm not wild about the play call but I can see where they were going. Gronk was one on one with Blackburn and Brady threw up a jump ball. It didn't result in any points, but the defense couldn't force a 3 and out on the other end and instead allowed the Giants to go from their 8 to the NE 43 (and 4:86 more off the clock) before they bogged down. Fourth drive was the Welker drop. Brady throws the ball away from the safety who is closing in, ball hits Welker in the hands, and he drops it. If he catches that, it's game over. Final drive started with :57 on the clock and featured two horrendous drops. Not the fault of Brady.

How on god's green earth do you win a SB in an offensive era, when your own offense can't even get a FG in the entire half?

What? They scored a TD in the second half and were only afforded 4 drives due to the defense's inability to get off the field on time. Honestly, you're struggling here.

You do realize this EXACT same pattern showed up in other postseason games, right?

2006 in Indy...Same thing....The lone TD was off of an Ellis Hobbs kick off return to Indy's 10, setting that up. And, that was vs a putrid Indy D.

Super!

Let's applaud horrendous offensive disappearing acts as if it meant nothing. LMAO

This is the first time I've ever seen anyone desperate enough to pin THAT loss on the offense. The team put up 34 points in that game. 34. To fault the offense is an act of desperation on top of plain ol' stupidity. The defense got whipped like a rented mule in the second half of that game because Alexander couldn't stop Clark with an Uzi. Honestly, and this is just a piece of friendly advice, but you may want to let someone else carry the load in this thread. You're out of your depth here and digging your heels in is just an idea that's getting worse and worse the more we go along.

 

[Kontradiction]

Give it a rest bro. You're losing this argument big time.

It's safe for you to admit that the defense was hot trash because you'd not only be right, also it wouldn't really hurt your real argument that Brady wasn't motivated enough without JG around.

I would disagree with the idea that Brady, a guy drafted at #199 overall who through hard work became the GOAT and who people to this day still call a cheater needs motivation from a backup QB but at least your argument is from a place of reason.

The thing is, if he had laid the blame on the OL and the defense in both of those Super Bowls, I wouldn't disagree. Those were always the theme in those playoff losses. But he's laying the blame solely at the feet of Brady when Brady was the ONLY reason they were up late in both of those games.

 

[Nehalem]

No, Billy Cundiff got us into SB46 when he missed an easy game tying FG after the defense allowed the Ravens to march from their own 20 to the Pats 14 with barely a minute and a half left.

When Eli got the ball for the last time in Super Bowl 46... anyone with a brain knew the outcome wouldn't end well for the Pats.

Like I said. The defense was bad. Period.

Of course the 2011 defense sucked. Everyone knows this.

But how did a team with a bad defense end up in the SB? Because of their high powered offense that scored 513points!

The defense performed as expected in the SB. The offense performed below expectations. And that is why its fair to blame the offense for the loss.