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So, you want the slower Rowe doing it? Or, Gilmore? Gilmore isn't that good on crossing routes. He's much better on the perimeter and he's going to have his hands full with Agoholor.

Butler has the better twitch on crossing routes over Gilmore and especially, Rowe.

Jeffrey is more of a one trick pony, but his size and athleticism will need some help from Harmon on top. That should eliminate deep balls.

lol dude you are wrong often. I mean I'm wrong all the time but you have "Rusty" potential.

You're twisted if you think Butler is faster than Rowe. Butler is the slowest CB we have.
 
lol dude you are wrong often. I mean I'm wrong all the time but you have "Rusty" potential.

You're twisted if you think Butler is faster than Rowe. Butler is the slowest CB we have.


ooooohhh....I'd hate to be called "twisted" by some insecure Millennial on a board.

Devastating!

Nice counter to my opinion. Rowe looked real good 10 yards behind Schuster-Smith on Patricia's god awful man coverage call at the end of the Pitt game. Case closed.

At least Butler will run after someone and almost catch them (see SD game when he almost caught Gordon on his 70 yard TD run).

And, I like Rowe, but only against the larger WRs.

Smith would dust Rowe.
 
If the eagles only have 2 WR on the field, who is their 2nd receiver? Is it Smith or aghulor? I'm guessing aghulor. Regardless in that scenario, I expect Gilmore on Jeffrey and butler on 2. When they go 3 wide (which they will be in most of the game), don't be surprised to see Rowe on Jeffrey, like they did last year with Julio Jones. Rowe is our biggest most physical guy and doesn't match up as well with anyone else. Then put Gilmore on Smith and butler on aghulor
 
If the eagles only have 2 WR on the field, who is their 2nd receiver? Is it Smith or aghulor? I'm guessing aghulor. Regardless in that scenario, I expect Gilmore on Jeffrey and butler on 2. When they go 3 wide (which they will be in most of the game), don't be surprised to see Rowe on Jeffrey, like they did last year with Julio Jones. Rowe is our biggest most physical guy and doesn't match up as well with anyone else. Then put Gilmore on Smith and butler on aghulor

Agholor is their best WR. I don't think it's even close, to be honest.

Jeffrey is one of those bigger WRs who people gush at, but he's runs like 4 routes.

Not saying he isn't good, but there is a reason why Chicago wisely walked from him. I wouldn't even have drafted him since he's sort of limited at the NFL level compared to what he was doing at So. Carolina.

Don't look at last week's game with blown coverages on him getting 2 TDs. Atlanta took him out and so did Dallas in Week 17.

He's one of those WRs, that if you know what you're doing, you can take him rigth away from the action. Very limited as a route runner.
 
Jeffrey has received something like 14 targets a game since foles took over. so neutralizing him will be a big part of the gameplan. and I think Gilmore can do a good job. he has been rock solid in the playoffs/since he came back from the concussion

I remember in 2014 when the pats faced the bears I want to say they put Browner on him to get physical at the line of scrimmage.
 
I’d put him on agholor. He is also dangerous so I’d think butler draws that one
I’ve been following the Eagles from afar. Smith has been blah. Agholor on the other hand has resurrected his career. Originally a high draft choice, he didn’t live up to expectations; dropping many balls n feeling it from both the fans n talk show hosts. However this year, he’s held onto the ball n had a good season. Butler will need to take him out!
 
If Jeffrey n Agholor r covered, Foles will go to Ertz. He’s a top 10 tight end.
 
I’ve been following the Eagles from afar. Smith has been blah. Agholor on the other hand has resurrected his career. Originally a high draft choice, he didn’t live up to expectations; dropping many balls n feeling it from both the fans n talk show hosts. However this year, he’s held onto the ball n had a good season. Butler will need to take him out!

Butler would get abused by Agoholor. I hope we put our best man cover guy on him and contain/take him out.

If there is a weakness on this Philly team, it is their WRs. NE's secondary matches up beautifully vs their passing game.

Chung is so good in his role, he should be good on Ertz.
 
lol dude you are wrong often. I mean I'm wrong all the time but you have "Rusty" potential.

You're twisted if you think Butler is faster than Rowe. Butler is the slowest CB we have.
I question that assessment on Butler. It doesn't pass the eye test. Running a 4.6 at someone's pro day is the reason why no one other than the Pats even took a UDFA flier on him. CLEARLY he is a lot faster than that, otherwise, he wouldn't have been kept on the team in the first place. Calling him the "slowest" of our CB's based on that erroneous pro day number from 4 years ago isn't accurate.

All that being said, my guess at the man to man matchups we'll see next week are as follows.

Gilmore on Jeffery - There is no question that Gilmore will be able to stay with Jeffery, but I don't think that will matter to Foles. Jeffery is probably one of the best 50-50 ball receivers in the league. Gilmore being close in coverage IS NOT going to keep them from throwing to him. For that reason, we need to put our best on their best

Bulter on Smith - Smith is a downfield threat I'm confident Butler can erase. He's only their 3rd best threat. Now common wisdom would have him on Agholor, but I don't think Butler is a very good slot defender for whatever reason. I'm not sure I'd have the same confidence having him on Agholor as I would on Smith.

Rowe on Agholor - This, I believe is the toughest matchup and the one that takes some creativity. Agholor, prior to this season has been a major bust. He broke out this year with 8TD and doubled his receiving yards (764). He is quick and has the best ypc average (12) on the team. But but I'm not so sure of his toughness. So I'd put Rowe on him with the job to put a beating on Agholor and stay with him as best he can. THEN, based on formation or other situation, I' double him with a S or LB if he is running crossers

Chung on Ertz - Ertz isn't Gronk, but he's THEIR Gronk. A big challenge for Chung, and since I believe he's the #2 receiver of choice for the Eagles, I'd also give him occasional double attention, with a LB or S ie, in certain formations have a LB head up on him and disrupting his release, just when he breaks free of the LB, have Chung there to jump him.

Flowers on Clement/Ajaii. It is certainly not the ideal matchup but its the best we have. The alternative, and one I'm sure we will use, is various zone coverages.

Here's what I'd do for an overall strategy. I'd do my best to disguise my coverages. For example, when they go in motion to help determine whether they'll get a man or zone coverage, you can send a DB with the motion, and STILL be in a zone coverage when the ball is snapped. So having Foles in definite passing situation will be Key #1. Key #2 is to disguise the coverage
Key#3 is to make Foles THINK his first read is open when it really isn't. Believe me there are ways to do this, or at least attempt to do it.

Foles is going to play in just his 6th game this season. Physically he's a talented QB, but he is definitely a product on his system. He showed against the Vikes that he clearly can make good throws under pressure. But there is a REASON why he regressed so badly after his 27TD-3pick season. He isn't all that great at reading defenses and getting his team in the right play. THAT is where the Pats can take advantage of him.

The RPO is a great system whose greatest advantage is that it vastly simplifies a QB's reads It also simplifies a receiver's routes. So because of this everyone gets to play fast. Physical ability is paramount. On the other side, it's harder to adjust and your play selection and formations are limited. It is easier for the defense to get a read on what you plan to run before you run it.

So when Bill tells the mediots how important THIS week is, it's because, if he and his staff can get a read on the Philly defense, then he can design the strategy that can keep them under 20 points.

JMHO
 
It's a great match up but the one i am most interested in is our RT vs their DE. I hope it's Waddle cause Flemming didn't do well vs Jax.

We know they will rotate their DEs some so it isn't just a 1v1 match but it will be key. The whole OL besides the RT spot has been really solid lately. Injuries have hurt that spot.
 
If Jeffrey n Agholor r covered, Foles will go to Ertz. He’s a top 10 tight end.

Chung will be on Ertz....this is the 2nd biggest matchup. QB's have a 54 rating when targeting TE's when covered by Chung this season. he pretty much shut down Delanie walker against the titans. held him to 49 yards...36 yards was on one catch
 
I question that assessment on Butler. It doesn't pass the eye test. Running a 4.6 at someone's pro day is the reason why no one other than the Pats even took a UDFA flier on him. CLEARLY he is a lot faster than that, otherwise, he wouldn't have been kept on the team in the first place. Calling him the "slowest" of our CB's based on that erroneous pro day number from 4 years ago isn't accurate.

All that being said, my guess at the man to man matchups we'll see next week are as follows.

Gilmore on Jeffery - There is no question that Gilmore will be able to stay with Jeffery, but I don't think that will matter to Foles. Jeffery is probably one of the best 50-50 ball receivers in the league. Gilmore being close in coverage IS NOT going to keep them from throwing to him. For that reason, we need to put our best on their best

Bulter on Smith - Smith is a downfield threat I'm confident Butler can erase. He's only their 3rd best threat. Now common wisdom would have him on Agholor, but I don't think Butler is a very good slot defender for whatever reason. I'm not sure I'd have the same confidence having him on Agholor as I would on Smith.

Rowe on Agholor - This, I believe is the toughest matchup and the one that takes some creativity. Agholor, prior to this season has been a major bust. He broke out this year with 8TD and doubled his receiving yards (764). He is quick and has the best ypc average (12) on the team. But but I'm not so sure of his toughness. So I'd put Rowe on him with the job to put a beating on Agholor and stay with him as best he can. THEN, based on formation or other situation, I' double him with a S or LB if he is running crossers

Chung on Ertz - Ertz isn't Gronk, but he's THEIR Gronk. A big challenge for Chung, and since I believe he's the #2 receiver of choice for the Eagles, I'd also give him occasional double attention, with a LB or S ie, in certain formations have a LB head up on him and disrupting his release, just when he breaks free of the LB, have Chung there to jump him.

Flowers on Clement/Ajaii. It is certainly not the ideal matchup but its the best we have. The alternative, and one I'm sure we will use, is various zone coverages.

Here's what I'd do for an overall strategy. I'd do my best to disguise my coverages. For example, when they go in motion to help determine whether they'll get a man or zone coverage, you can send a DB with the motion, and STILL be in a zone coverage when the ball is snapped. So having Foles in definite passing situation will be Key #1. Key #2 is to disguise the coverage
Key#3 is to make Foles THINK his first read is open when it really isn't. Believe me there are ways to do this, or at least attempt to do it.

Foles is going to play in just his 6th game this season. Physically he's a talented QB, but he is definitely a product on his system. He showed against the Vikes that he clearly can make good throws under pressure. But there is a REASON why he regressed so badly after his 27TD-3pick season. He isn't all that great at reading defenses and getting his team in the right play. THAT is where the Pats can take advantage of him.

The RPO is a great system whose greatest advantage is that it vastly simplifies a QB's reads It also simplifies a receiver's routes. So because of this everyone gets to play fast. Physical ability is paramount. On the other side, it's harder to adjust and your play selection and formations are limited. It is easier for the defense to get a read on what you plan to run before you run it.

So when Bill tells the mediots how important THIS week is, it's because, if he and his staff can get a read on the Philly defense, then he can design the strategy that can keep them under 20 points.

JMHO
I read somewhere, that B.B. would b calling Saban as he’s seen the RPO a lot n had to defend it
 
I question that assessment on Butler. It doesn't pass the eye test. Running a 4.6 at someone's pro day is the reason why no one other than the Pats even took a UDFA flier on him. CLEARLY he is a lot faster than that, otherwise, he wouldn't have been kept on the team in the first place. Calling him the "slowest" of our CB's based on that erroneous pro day number from 4 years ago isn't accurate.

All that being said, my guess at the man to man matchups we'll see next week are as follows.

Gilmore on Jeffery - There is no question that Gilmore will be able to stay with Jeffery, but I don't think that will matter to Foles. Jeffery is probably one of the best 50-50 ball receivers in the league. Gilmore being close in coverage IS NOT going to keep them from throwing to him. For that reason, we need to put our best on their best

Bulter on Smith - Smith is a downfield threat I'm confident Butler can erase. He's only their 3rd best threat. Now common wisdom would have him on Agholor, but I don't think Butler is a very good slot defender for whatever reason. I'm not sure I'd have the same confidence having him on Agholor as I would on Smith.

Rowe on Agholor - This, I believe is the toughest matchup and the one that takes some creativity. Agholor, prior to this season has been a major bust. He broke out this year with 8TD and doubled his receiving yards (764). He is quick and has the best ypc average (12) on the team. But but I'm not so sure of his toughness. So I'd put Rowe on him with the job to put a beating on Agholor and stay with him as best he can. THEN, based on formation or other situation, I' double him with a S or LB if he is running crossers

Chung on Ertz - Ertz isn't Gronk, but he's THEIR Gronk. A big challenge for Chung, and since I believe he's the #2 receiver of choice for the Eagles, I'd also give him occasional double attention, with a LB or S ie, in certain formations have a LB head up on him and disrupting his release, just when he breaks free of the LB, have Chung there to jump him.

Flowers on Clement/Ajaii. It is certainly not the ideal matchup but its the best we have. The alternative, and one I'm sure we will use, is various zone coverages.

Here's what I'd do for an overall strategy. I'd do my best to disguise my coverages. For example, when they go in motion to help determine whether they'll get a man or zone coverage, you can send a DB with the motion, and STILL be in a zone coverage when the ball is snapped. So having Foles in definite passing situation will be Key #1. Key #2 is to disguise the coverage
Key#3 is to make Foles THINK his first read is open when it really isn't. Believe me there are ways to do this, or at least attempt to do it.

Foles is going to play in just his 6th game this season. Physically he's a talented QB, but he is definitely a product on his system. He showed against the Vikes that he clearly can make good throws under pressure. But there is a REASON why he regressed so badly after his 27TD-3pick season. He isn't all that great at reading defenses and getting his team in the right play. THAT is where the Pats can take advantage of him.

The RPO is a great system whose greatest advantage is that it vastly simplifies a QB's reads It also simplifies a receiver's routes. So because of this everyone gets to play fast. Physical ability is paramount. On the other side, it's harder to adjust and your play selection and formations are limited. It is easier for the defense to get a read on what you plan to run before you run it.

So when Bill tells the mediots how important THIS week is, it's because, if he and his staff can get a read on the Philly defense, then he can design the strategy that can keep them under 20 points.

JMHO


We agree in general, but don't you think you leaving Gilmore on Agoholor and hope he can continue to be the shut down guy he's been and then use the limited roue running Jeffery for Rowe, with deep help to take away the deep shots?

That leaves Chung and Marquis Flowers playing in the seams and downhill to tackle into the flats, vs a Clement or Ertz.
 
Chung will be on Ertz....this is the 2nd biggest matchup. QB's have a 54 rating when targeting TE's when covered by Chung this season. he pretty much shut down Delanie walker against the titans. held him to 49 yards...36 yards was on one catch

IMO, he's the best in the league in the role. 12-15 yards and in, inside the box, I haven't seen anyone better or more consistent.
 
We agree in general, but don't you think you leaving Gilmore on Agoholor and hope he can continue to be the shut down guy he's been and then use the limited roue running Jeffery for Rowe, with deep help to take away the deep shots?

That leaves Chung and Marquis Flowers playing in the seams and downhill to tackle into the flats, vs a Clement or Ertz.

thats pretty much what Bill did last year with Logan ryan/Butler. Let Butler take the #2 guy, and let Ryan take #1 with safety help.
 
I question that assessment on Butler. It doesn't pass the eye test. Running a 4.6 at someone's pro day is the reason why no one other than the Pats even took a UDFA flier on him. CLEARLY he is a lot faster than that, otherwise, he wouldn't have been kept on the team in the first place. Calling him the "slowest" of our CB's based on that erroneous pro day number from 4 years ago isn't accurate.

All that being said, my guess at the man to man matchups we'll see next week are as follows.

Gilmore on Jeffery - There is no question that Gilmore will be able to stay with Jeffery, but I don't think that will matter to Foles. Jeffery is probably one of the best 50-50 ball receivers in the league. Gilmore being close in coverage IS NOT going to keep them from throwing to him. For that reason, we need to put our best on their best

Bulter on Smith - Smith is a downfield threat I'm confident Butler can erase. He's only their 3rd best threat. Now common wisdom would have him on Agholor, but I don't think Butler is a very good slot defender for whatever reason. I'm not sure I'd have the same confidence having him on Agholor as I would on Smith.

Rowe on Agholor - This, I believe is the toughest matchup and the one that takes some creativity. Agholor, prior to this season has been a major bust. He broke out this year with 8TD and doubled his receiving yards (764). He is quick and has the best ypc average (12) on the team. But but I'm not so sure of his toughness. So I'd put Rowe on him with the job to put a beating on Agholor and stay with him as best he can. THEN, based on formation or other situation, I' double him with a S or LB if he is running crossers

Chung on Ertz - Ertz isn't Gronk, but he's THEIR Gronk. A big challenge for Chung, and since I believe he's the #2 receiver of choice for the Eagles, I'd also give him occasional double attention, with a LB or S ie, in certain formations have a LB head up on him and disrupting his release, just when he breaks free of the LB, have Chung there to jump him.

Flowers on Clement/Ajaii. It is certainly not the ideal matchup but its the best we have. The alternative, and one I'm sure we will use, is various zone coverages.

Here's what I'd do for an overall strategy. I'd do my best to disguise my coverages. For example, when they go in motion to help determine whether they'll get a man or zone coverage, you can send a DB with the motion, and STILL be in a zone coverage when the ball is snapped. So having Foles in definite passing situation will be Key #1. Key #2 is to disguise the coverage
Key#3 is to make Foles THINK his first read is open when it really isn't. Believe me there are ways to do this, or at least attempt to do it.

Foles is going to play in just his 6th game this season. Physically he's a talented QB, but he is definitely a product on his system. He showed against the Vikes that he clearly can make good throws under pressure. But there is a REASON why he regressed so badly after his 27TD-3pick season. He isn't all that great at reading defenses and getting his team in the right play. THAT is where the Pats can take advantage of him.

The RPO is a great system whose greatest advantage is that it vastly simplifies a QB's reads It also simplifies a receiver's routes. So because of this everyone gets to play fast. Physical ability is paramount. On the other side, it's harder to adjust and your play selection and formations are limited. It is easier for the defense to get a read on what you plan to run before you run it.

So when Bill tells the mediots how important THIS week is, it's because, if he and his staff can get a read on the Philly defense, then he can design the strategy that can keep them under 20 points.

JMHO

I would say putting Butler on Smith is a mistake unless they devote 2 guys to cover Agholor. Rowe can't stay with the quick moves of Agholor. Butler will probably have issues doing it as well but Rowe just is not up to that challenge.

I say put Bulter on Agholor and you live with what Smith does to you. If Smith beats you then so be it.

You don't put your 2nd best CB on their 3rd best WR. Maybe the Rowe of last year but this years Rowe has just been not good enough.

IMO their weapons you need to stop in order are #1/2 Ertz/Jeffrey, Agholor and Ajayi. Since Foles has come in he has gone to Ajayi a ton in the passing game and I think is something the Pats need to be aware of.

After that more than even Smith I worry about Corey Clement. He is just the kind of player who can attack the Patriots where they are weakest with those little dump offs to a quick RB. I think if Philly has their way he will pull a "Grant" on our team.
 
I would say putting Butler on Smith is a mistake unless they devote 2 guys to cover Agholor. Rowe can't stay with the quick moves of Agholor. Butler will probably have issues doing it as well but Rowe just is not up to that challenge.

I say put Bulter on Agholor and you live with what Smith does to you. If Smith beats you then so be it.

You don't put your 2nd best CB on their 3rd best WR. Maybe the Rowe of last year but this years Rowe has just been not good enough.

IMO their weapons you need to stop in order are #1/2 Ertz/Jeffrey, Agholor and Ajayi. Since Foles has come in he has gone to Ajayi a ton in the passing game and I think is something the Pats need to be aware of.

After that more than even Smith I worry about Corey Clement. He is just the kind of player who can attack the Patriots where they are weakest with those little dump offs to a quick RB. I think if Philly has their way he will pull a "Grant" on our team.

So, Gilmore will be Inactive? Just kidding.

Actually, I am not. What does Gilmore do? I think people may be no understanding Gilmore is our #1 CB, not Butler.

Agree on Rowe being abused by Agoholor, but I think this means we need our best CB on their best WR like we've always done whether it be Law, Samuel, etc.

Scratching my head why people are overrating the aging Torrey Smith. He'll be 29 tomorrow.

And, yes, I realize Butler is 28, hence why I think he's a good match for him.
 
So, Gilmore will be Inactive? Just kidding.

Actually, I am not. What does Gilmore do? I think people may be no understanding Gilmore is our #1 CB, not Butler.

Agree on Rowe being abused by Agoholor, but I think this means we need our best CB on their best WR like we've always done whether it be Law, Samuel, etc.

Scratching my head why people are overrating the aging Torrey Smith. He'll be 29 tomorrow.

And, yes, I realize Butler is 28, hence why I think he's a good match for him.

Gilmore is on Jeffrey all game. He is clearly our #1 CB right now and is playing like it.

I am just talking about every other match up besides that one is all.
 
smith is a one trick pony. hes great at that one trick. but if you put a safety on him when he goes deep theres not much else he does
 
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