NFL coaching and executives carousel: news and speculation

[PatsFanSince74]

They are now a team without a QB and they don't have a ton of cap space.

They ain't called the Bungles for nothin'!

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Unbelievable that Marvin Lewis is still coaching in the NFL. Stupid Bungles deserve him.

 

[Deus Irae]

Gruden has been lining up his staff for more than a week. Either he’s taking this job... or a bunch of coaches are going to be coaching a flag football game at Gruden’s house

 

[ANGR89]

I heard Gruden say this morning the reports about him getting partial ownership are false and he heard "Stephen Smith" screaming about it. lol Now their (ESPN radio) saying Stephen a Smith is mad about Grudens response. or i should say they think some comments from him were about Gruden. can't stand and don't listen to him but I could imagine he was screaming about it

 

[Deus Irae]

They don't call him Screamin' A Smith for nothing

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The Rooney rule is nothing more than codified racism.

There are no hiring standards or quotas attached to the Rooney Rule, so this is not accurate.

 

[Deus Irae]

There are no hiring standards or quotas attached to the Rooney Rule, so this is not accurate.

Yes, it's accurate.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yes, it's accurate.

The Rooney Rule is often confused with affirmative action. The difference is that there is no quota. All one has to do is interview a candidate. Teams are still free to hire any dunce they wish. Can you explain your position that the policy is racist? Full disclosure I am neutral on the policy itself, it has its pros and cons, and I wrote a long research paper on this topic so it is of personal interest. Curious as to why you believe the rule to be racist, rather than just a misguided or poor policy.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Gruden should bring competition to the afc but they're still far from being a contender. They need to fix that defense and they don't have a ton of cap space. Carr regressed this year. The OL wasn't as dominant as last year.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

And RB coach Eric Studesville keeps getting interviews for HC job. Besides being the interim HC after McDaniels got canned, does anyone ever hear his name, or his name being praised? And then every off season he's getting interviews.

When Steve Wilks pops up as a candidate for a whole bunch of teams, after being a DC only one season, my initial reaction was that the teams looked on the list for the top minority DC/OC simply to satisfy the rooney rule. Not that any of the teams really took him seriously. I suppose he's done good things with the Panthers this season?

Wilks is the new hot shot minority that the teams are using to satisfy the rooney rule. Studesville is the default Rooney rule option. Neither has a realistic shot of getting hired.

Only by reading Patsfans did I suddenly find out that Mike Vrable is black!

 

[Deus Irae]

The Rooney Rule is often confused with affirmative action. The difference is that there is no quota. All one has to do is interview a candidate. Teams are still free to hire any dunce they wish. The policy fits no definition of racism, be it societal or dictionary. Can you explain your position that the policy is racist? Full disclosure I am neutral on the policy itself, it has its pros and cons, and I wrote a long research paper on this topic for a class just weeks ago so it is something that is of personal interest. Curious as to why you believe the rule to be racist, rather than just a misguided or poor policy.

You make the mental gymnastic maneuver that gets you to the point that having an interview requirement is somehow not a requirement, even as you note that it's a requirement.

The requirement that a minority be interviewed, but not a white, is discrimination based upon race. And, if you go to the dictionaries, you'll find that there.

 

[Ring 6]

Only by reading Patsfans did I suddenly find out that Mike Vrable is black!

I heard he did that in order to get an interview. I’ve heard it’s a costly procedure too. But you do what you have to do, Charlie weis was fat, Mike Vrabel was white.

 

[resdubwhite]

The requirement that a minority be interviewed, but not a white, is discrimination based upon race. And, if you go to the dictionaries, you'll find that there

Even though every other candidate is most certainly white? That's a bit nit picky

 

[Deus Irae]

Even though every other candidate is most certainly white? That's a bit nit picky

No, it's not. You're attempting to dismiss racism by minimizing it. I'm willing to bet that you'd be taking the opposite position if the roles were reversed, and it was a requirement that whites be interviewed, but not blacks.

 

[resdubwhite]

No, it's not. You're attempting to dismiss racism by minimizing it

it's not racism when the vast majority of candidates are white. There is no onus to hire.
Call it positive discrimination if you feel the need to give it a handle.
I think if you ever lived somewhere that discriminated against your race you'd feel differently

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

You make the mental gymnastic maneuver that gets you to the point that having an interview requirement is somehow not a requirement, even as you note that it's a requirement.

The requirement that a minority be interviewed, but not a white, is discrimination based upon race. And, if you go to the dictionaries, you'll find that there.

So it is discriminatory, not racist. That is a very reasonable argument, and I tend to agree on principle. It is pretty soft discrimination in that there is nothing saying who to hire---the Raiders will find a way to comply with the rule even though everyone knows they're hiring Gruden. It has also been extended to women for certain front office positions.

It is a rule saying you have to interview at least two people for the most important jobs in a billion dollar industry. I think it may well be time to get rid of the policy, but it hasn't had any harm, and if anything it may have indirectly led to Mike Tomlin, so we have that to be happy for!

 

[Ring 6]

it's not racism when the vast majority of candidates are white. There is no onus to hire.
Call it positive discrimination if you feel the need to give it a handle.
I think if you ever lived somewhere that discriminated against your race you'd feel differently

I think you are trying to apply the idea that bad intention=racism and good intention = not racism

Saying you must interview someone of _______ race is a racist policy. Whether it harms white coaches, or creates an unfair advantage for minorities really isn’t relevant. Basing an action on race is racist.

 

[Ring 6]

So it is discriminatory, not racist. That is a very reasonable argument, and I tend to agree on principle. It is pretty soft discrimination in that there is nothing saying who to hire---the Raiders will find a way to comply with the rule even though everyone knows they're hiring Gruden. It has also been extended to women for certain front office positions.

It is a rule saying you have to interview at least two people for the most important jobs in a billion dollar industry. I think it may well be time to get rid of the policy, but it hasn't had any harm, and if anything it may have indirectly led to Mike Tomlin, so we have that to be happy for!

if it led to Tomlin being hired how did it not hurt whisenhunt or Grimm or whoever would have gotten the job otherwise?

Reverse the example. If the primary candidate were black and the rule said you had to interview white candidates and a white candidate got an obligatory interview, impressed and got the job over the black candidate that had it locked up isn’t that racism?
A good rule to look at racism is switch the races and see if you feel the same way.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

if it led to Tomlin being hired how did it not hurt whisenhunt or Grimm or whoever would have gotten the job otherwise?

Reverse the example. If the primary candidate were black and the rule said you had to interview white candidates and a white candidate got an obligatory interview, impressed and got the job over the black candidate that had it locked up isn’t that racism?
A good rule to look at racism is switch the races and see if you feel the same way.

Ron Rivera had already interviewed with the Steelers at the point that Tomlin was interviewed. They had fulfilled the requirement. Tomlin blew Rooney away in the interview and was hired. There is no quota or edict to hire, so the only thing preventing Whisenhunt and Grimm from getting the job was their own personalities. Neither has done anything since to make it look like the wrong choice.

 

[patfanken]

Yes, it's accurate.

WHY? Because you say so?????????