Redskins CB Bashaud Breeland Offseason FA Target?

[maineman209]

We have seen those guys sign for one year to prove their worth.

The thing is the Jets royally screwed themselves with Wilkerson. He's under contract thru 2020 with cap hits of ...

$20M - 2018
$18.5M - 2019
$19.5M - 2020

It's highly unlikely that any team would trade for that contract, and if they don't cut him by the 3rd day of the new league year, his 2018 salary of $16.75M becomes fully-guaranteed. If they do cut him, it accelerates the remaining $9M of his $15M signing bonus into 2018 as dead money.

That said, I'm fairly confident that there will be a couple three teams offering him something in the $5M-$10M/year range for a one-year "prove-it" deal (probably with 50% guaranteed). I very strongly doubt that the Pats will be among them.

 

[maineman209]

If we pursue a member of the Washington Redskins, this should be the man:
Brian Quick

But is Brian-like quickness equivalent to cat-like quickness?

 

[upstater1]

Gilmore hasn't been as suspect as Butler over the last few games.

More suspect. I mean, not only has he been repeatedly burned the last few games, Gilmore that is, but he's been making weak attempts at both tackles and at jams. It's been embarrassing.

 

[HailHydra]

More suspect. I mean, not only has he been repeatedly burned the last few games, Gilmore that is, but he's been making weak attempts at both tackles and at jams. It's been embarrassing.

Definitely, but quite a few of the catches that he's let up have been tough catches for the WR - and there's always some of those in a game. Take for example the Benjamin catch, Gilmore wasn't necessarily letting the WR get completely open, it was just the WR making a very tough catch/not catch. I know what you mean by making weak attempts at tackling; I specifically remember the play last week when Gilmore gave up on a play after thinking the receiver had gone out of bounds. That being said, Gilmore's screw ups have been much more advertised than Butler's. Butler hasn't been better than Gilmore by any means over the last few weeks. In fact, Gilmore gave up 17/36 for 154 yds 1 TD 1 INT (56.94 rating!!) over his good six game stretch, followed by a poor 10/15 for 146 yds 1 TD 2 game stretch. Butler wasn't nearly that solid over that 6 game stretch and allowed 7/8 for 111 in the past two games - comparable if not slightly worse than Gilmore's numbers. And that's even with Gilmore being placed on more difficult match-ups: last week, for example, Gilmore was on KB while Butler was on Thompson. Gilmore hasn't lived up to his 13 mill/year status (more like 10 mill/year would be better) but still has time to shine during the playoffs and next year, when he'll have more experience in the Pats system. Butler on the other hand has faced a down season as compared to last year, despite having much more experience in our system. I wasn't really a fan of replacing Logan Ryan for Stephon Gilmore and breaking the - what I thought - was a better secondary last year. I think its time to move on from Malcolm Butler and go forward with our CBs waiting in the wings - Bademosi (whom we need to re-sign), Jones, Rowe, etc. I was an advocate for drafting a CB last year due to its very deep class, but we should spend an early pick (1/2) this year anyway (plz no 6th round safety in 2nd round).

* Note: A good portion of the blame placed on our under performing secondary needs to be moved to the guys up front, who haven't played nearly as good as expected due to injuries and overall lack of talent. Every single secondary will fall apart if an opposing QB has unlimited time in the pocket, which is what was happening throughout the season. In the Dolphins game, we got NO pressure at all and our run-defense was horrid, making the secondary under perform as well.

 

[Joey007]

This looks like the yearly thread where we all agree that we want this “under the radar” free agent who then gets paid double what we all expected.

“Red Bryant isn’t walking through that door.”

 

[maineman209]

I'm a fan.

They'll get rid of Mcphee & Young most likely.

Good call.

McPhee hits the Bears' cap for just over $8M next season. He was good for them his first season there after Baltimore (in 2014), but hasn't been particularly remarkable since then. He was just put on IR last week with a recent shoulder injury. They save about $7M by cutting him.

Young is scheduled to hit the cap for $5.4M next season. The Bears save $4.5M by cutting him. He gave them a pretty good season in 2016 and was a off to a good start this season before tearing a tricep and going in IR in wk-5. And, he turns 33 next September. Might be worth a look from the Pats as a vet minimum, supplemental guy, though. Experience at both 4-3 DE and at 3-4 OLB.

Interestingly, their other journeyman edge-player, DE Mitch Unrein, was sent to IR with a knee injury in wk-13. He's a UFA in 2018 and turns 31 in March.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Kinda depends on what you consider "not cheap". Bademosi earned $1.3M this season on the 2nd year of a 2-year deal he signed with DET in 2016 (coming off his rookie contract in CLE). He turns 28 next July and has been almost exclusively a special teamer for his entire six-year career so far.

I'm skeptical that any team will be offering him CB money. I think the Pats are likely to be able to retain him on another 2-year deal for ~$2M/year ... high-end ST money, IOW.

I think you hit his true value right on the head.

But I wonder if some CB-needy team might trick themselves into thinking he could be a starting CB2 on their team and offer $4M-$5M. While he only earned $1.3M in this second year of the deal, the full deal was 2 years, $4.5M, and he's hitting his prime, and had 3 decent games at corner.

The 2018 free agency class at corner isn't very deep. Trumaine Johnson is the big name, and Butler and Kyle Fuller will be at the top of that list as well. After that, it's a lot of question marks.

Also, not a big draft guru, but early reports indicated there would be some depth in the draft for cornerbacks so that might offset things.

I'd like to bring him back, for the right price.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The team will be fine at CB in 2018 with Gilmore, Rowe, J Jones, Bademosi and the winner of the C Jones/UDFA camp battle.

I see Belichick using a high draft pick on a safety. It's going to be time for Chung and McCourty to pass the torch soon.

CB2 is not fine. Rowe is always hurt. JJ and Badman are unproven on the outside.

They'll be adding bodies if Malcolm walks

 

[RobertWeathers]

Pats already have a ton of cap invested in McCourty and Gilmore. They have great safeties and J Jones and Rowe are solid. I would prefer to see the Pats get young guys through the draft, UFAs and/or low cost FAs to compete in camp rather than signing an expensive CB FA.

McCourty is a safety and his dead cap $ goes way down next year and in 2019.

 

[maineman209]

CB2 is not fine. Rowe is always hurt. JJ and Badman are unproven on the outside.

They'll be adding bodies if Malcolm walks

Bademosi's starts this season were all at RCB. JJ has covered boundary assignments on both the left and right sides this season. The PBUs that BB remarked on wrt JJ's coverage technique both came on boundary assignments.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bademosi's starts this season were all at RCB. JJ has covered boundary assignments on both the left and right sides this season. The PBUs that BB remarked on wrt JJ's coverage technique both came on boundary assignments.

My point is not over a 16 game season.

 

[maineman209]

My point is not over a 16 game season.

Well, everybody has to start someplace. And we don't know how the coaches feel about them.

How much the Pats compete/pay to re-sign Bademosi may or may not tell us something about how they value him.

If Butler is allowed to walk and the Pats don't spend money in FA, or a fairly high draft pick, to replace him, then that might indicate that one or more of JJ/CJ/Bademosi have proven enough to the coaches in practice to be given a prominent, regular role in the secondary in 2018.

OTOH, if the Pats do sign another CB in FA (presumably for less $$ than Butler was asking), or spend a top-100 draft pick on a CB, maybe that indicates that the coaches don't view any of the three as a regular top-3 CB.

Then, too, Justin Coleman played a fairly prominent role as the nickel CB for the first half of 2016, as he had in 2015. But after Rowe began to get his act together, Coleman disappeared, seeing only 4 total snaps on defense after week-9.

 

[luuked]

More suspect. I mean, not only has he been repeatedly burned the last few games, Gilmore that is, but he's been making weak attempts at both tackles and at jams. It's been embarrassing.

What games have you been watching ? Gilmore has been our best DB over the majority of the season... Jesus..

 

[DarrylS]

Not sure I see Butler as part of the future here, he made an effort with a limp dycked agent last year, and will do the same next year.. there are a lot of teams with a lot of cap money this year and his "pedigree"as a Patriot may be worth more than his ability as a CB, he may be viewed as some kind of "leader" by a second or third tier team.

He will get paid, not because of his agent or abilities, but because the market will allow overpayment.. from my big comfy couch Butler seems to be wildly inconsistent this year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well, everybody has to start someplace. And we don't know how the coaches feel about them.

How much the Pats compete/pay to re-sign Bademosi may or may not tell us something about how they value him.

If Butler is allowed to walk and the Pats don't spend money in FA, or a fairly high draft pick, to replace him, then that might indicate that one or more of JJ/CJ/Bademosi have proven enough to the coaches in practice to be given a prominent, regular role in the secondary in 2018.

OTOH, if the Pats do sign another CB in FA (presumably for less $$ than Butler was asking), or spend a top-100 draft pick on a CB, maybe that indicates that the coaches don't view any of the three as a regular top-3 CB.

Then, too, Justin Coleman played a fairly prominent role as the nickel CB for the first half of 2016, as he had in 2015. But after Rowe began to get his act together, Coleman disappeared, seeing only 4 total snaps on defense after week-9.

I think Rowe is starting caliber. He's just made of glass.

JJ is sticky, but smallish. BB will give him a shot but I'm not betting the farm on him to start

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not sure I see Butler as part of the future here, he made an effort with a limp dycked agent last year, and will do the same next year.. there are a lot of teams with a lot of cap money this year and his "pedigree"as a Patriot may be worth more than his ability as a CB, he may be viewed as some kind of "leader" by a second or third tier team.

He will get paid, not because of his agent or abilities, but because the market will allow overpayment.. from my big comfy couch Butler seems to be wildly inconsistent this year.

It's fair to say Malcolm has been good, but not as good as last year.

 

[Galeb]

McCourty is a safety and his dead cap $ goes way down next year and in 2019.

I know that McCourty is a safety. Just noting that he Pats have a ton of money tied up int he secondary.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I know that McCourty is a safety. Just noting that he Pats have a ton of money tied up int he secondary.

Gilmore and DMC are the only big ticket items. Figure they'll redu DMCs deal.

I think we would agree that the 2018 focus in the off-season is LB and drafting at safety as Chung and DMC are 30.

 

[maineman209]

I think Rowe is starting caliber. He's just made of glass.

JJ is sticky, but smallish. BB will give him a shot but I'm not betting the farm on him to start

JJ is an inch shorter than McCourty. He also has a 4.33/40 (same as Cooks & Dorsett), 1.47 10-yd split, a 36" vertical, a 123" long jump, 19 bench reps and appears to have very good awareness and coverage/tackling technique (he should be tutoring Roberts and Richards - and Rowe - on tackling technique).

I never bet anything on what the Pats may or may not decide to do with a specific player, but I'm not seeing a lot about JJ that would seem to exclude him from the coaches' consideration for a starting role (from my perspective).

For the record, through week-16 (in descending order by number of tgts)...

Butler:
... 90 tgts/47 catches (52%) .. 643 yds (13.7 ypc) .. 7 TDs (1/12.9 tgts)
... 2 INT (1/45 tgts) .. 13 PBU (1/6.9 tgts) .. 4 flags (1/22.5 tgts)

Gilmore:
... 64 tgts/36 catches (56%) .. 517 yds (14.4 ypc) .. 3 TDs (1/21.3 tgts)
... 2 INT (1/32 tgts) .. 6 PBU (1/10.7 tgts) .. 5 flags (1/12.8 tgts)

Chung:
... 59 tgts/33 catches (56%) .. 354 yds (10.7 ypc) .. 2 TDs (1/29.5 tgts)
... 1 INT (1/59 tgts) .. 8 PBU (1/7.4 tgts) .. 1 flag (1/59 tgts)

JJ:
... 46 tgts/22 catches (48%) .. 268 yds (12.2 ypc) .. 2 TD (1/23 tgts)
... 1 INT (1/46 tgts) ... 8 PBU (1/5.6 tgts) .. 2 flags (1/23 tgts)

McCourty:
... 31 tgts/15 catches (48%) ... 135 yds (9.0 ypc) .. 2 TD (1/15.5 tgts)
... 1 INT (1/31 tgts) ... 5 PBU (1/6.2 tgts) .. NO flags

Rowe:
... 18 tgts/13 catches (72%) .. 215 yds (16.5 ypc) .. 1 TD (1/18 tgts)
... 0 INT ... 2 PBU (1/9 tgts) .. NO flags

 

[RobertWeathers]

JJ is an inch shorter than McCourty. He also has a 4.33/40 (same as Cooks & Dorsett), 1.47 10-yd split, a 36" vertical, a 123" long jump, 19 bench reps and appears to have very good awareness and coverage/tackling technique (he should be tutoring Roberts and Richards - and Rowe - on tackling technique).

I never bet anything on what the Pats may or may not decide to do with a specific player, but I'm not seeing a lot about JJ that would seem to exclude him from the coaches' consideration for a starting role (from my perspective).

For the record, through week-16 (in descending order by number of tgts)...

Butler:
... 90 tgts/47 catches (52%) .. 643 yds (13.7 ypc) .. 7 TDs (1/12.9 tgts)
... 2 INT (1/45 tgts) .. 13 PBU (1/6.9 tgts) .. 4 flags (1/22.5 tgts)

Gilmore:
... 64 tgts/36 catches (56%) .. 517 yds (14.4 ypc) .. 3 TDs (1/21.3 tgts)
... 2 INT (1/32 tgts) .. 6 PBU (1/10.7 tgts) .. 5 flags (1/12.8 tgts)

Chung:
... 59 tgts/33 catches (56%) .. 354 yds (10.7 ypc) .. 2 TDs (1/29.5 tgts)
... 1 INT (1/59 tgts) .. 8 PBU (1/7.4 tgts) .. 1 flag (1/59 tgts)

JJ:
... 46 tgts/22 catches (48%) .. 268 yds (12.2 ypc) .. 2 TD (1/23 tgts)
... 1 INT (1/46 tgts) ... 8 PBU (1/5.6 tgts) .. 2 flags (1/23 tgts)

McCourty:
... 31 tgts/15 catches (48%) ... 135 yds (9.0 ypc) .. 2 TD (1/15.5 tgts)
... 1 INT (1/31 tgts) ... 5 PBU (1/6.2 tgts) .. NO flags

Rowe:
... 18 tgts/13 catches (72%) .. 215 yds (16.5 ypc) .. 1 TD (1/18 tgts)
... 0 INT ... 2 PBU (1/9 tgts) .. NO flags

These past 2-3 weeks Chung has been playing like his hair is on fire.