Breakdown of Jimmy G

[IllegalContact]

I really hope you're right. But I'd bet good money that if and when the time comes that the Pats find themselves without a franchise QB and Jimmy is playing well, we'll see a steady stream of "they never should have let him go" and "they were shortsighted, they could have found a way."

20 20 hindsight is worthless......given the moment, the most logical outcome ocurred (and this is coming from a jimmy fan)

at some point, a bump in the road is inevitable......shoulda coulda woulda does not apply......even with the argument about trade value is subjective given the randomness of the draft

to me this is no different than deflategate in that......

 

[Nehalem]

The thing that really sucks about JG is that he is not only good but has also received years of tutelage from the best ever. Even if we find a good successor in the coming years, that guy will probably not get the same training.

JG looked pretty good after only 2 years as Brady's backup. If Brady can't even make 2 more years then I think BB failed hard trading JG.

But then looked at Brady's backups
Cassel
Hoyer
Mallet
JG

Cassel and Hoyer both started more than 30 games. And JG looks pretty good so far. Only Mallet is really a complete failure.

And Cassel and Hoyer were a 7th rounder and UDFA. And JG a late 2nd.

Has any GM/HC had a better track record on QBs?

God help the league if BB takes a QB in the 1st and lets him sit behind Brady for a few years.

 

[slam]

We can now compare Garappolo against another known quantity in Brian Hoyer running the same offense.

Hoyer (0-6 as starter)
58% Completion
4 TD, 4 INT
6.1 Y/A
207.5 Y/G
16 sacks in 6 GS
18.9 pts/game as starter

Garappolo (2-0 as starter)
66.7% Comp
1 TD, 2 INT (1 INT was literally a completion ripped out of receiver's hands)
9.0 Y/A
313.5 Y/G
4 sacks in 3 Games, 2 GS
20.5 pts/game as starter

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It also doesn’t help that our “high” second round pick seems to be in jeopardy of falling much further than we expected. He’s also taken a 1 win team and made them a 3 win team, with 3 more games to play. The more I think about it, the more this second round compensation is pissing me off.

Against the Titans, Jaguars, and Rams.

 

[Tunescribe]

Post it. Own it, snowflake.

Retirement is not treating you well, PWP -- you're making no sense. I can't guess what turned you into an agitating biatch but you ought to do a better job picking your spots.

 

[supafly]

The Patriots were never going to get more than they got for a guy who is a pending UFA.

That’s why the talk about “2 first rounders” in the draft was laughable. There was zero chance they’d get even one.

I certainly agree with you, although I do think something else could’ve been added to the deal. It is what it is.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

They’ll find one and I expect him to be better and more durable than JG.

A single fluke injury—against a defense that had a knack for knocking QBs out of games—says nothing definitive about his being injury-prone.

 

[IcyPatriot]

At least wait until Jimmy grows some hair on his footballs ... he's still a noob - a very good one but still a noob.

 

[sb1]

Jimmy G doing well over the next few seasons can be a great motivator for Brady as he tries to quiet the naysayers.

My trade gripe was couldn't Pats have gotten a DE as well.

Did BB do a favor for Jimmy by trading him to SF so he can come out the closet this off-season?

Terrible post.

 

[sb1]

A single fluke injury—against a defense that had a knack for knocking QBs out of games—says nothing definitive about his being injury-prone.

It’s more than that... it’s the fact he also couldn’t go against the Bills after apparently giving his team reason to believe he could...and the team was forced to use a hobbled Jacoby. I suspect that was a factor in this trade.

I like my QBs built to last like the GOAT.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We can now compare Garappolo against another known quantity in Brian Hoyer running the same offense.

Hoyer (0-6 as starter)
58% Completion
4 TD, 4 INT
6.1 Y/A
207.5 Y/G
16 sacks in 6 GS
18.9 pts/game as starter

Garappolo (2-0 as starter)
66.7% Comp
1 TD, 2 INT (1 INT was literally a completion ripped out of receiver's hands)
9.0 Y/A
313.5 Y/G
4 sacks in 3 Games, 2 GS
20.5 pts/game as starter

Hoyer faced CAR, @ SEA and the Lambs. Then he had @AZ which is top 10 in QB rating against then @ Indy and @ Wash.

Hoyer is still a JAG but in totality thats a helluva lot harder than the two cupcakes Jimmy played against.

Lets see how Jimmy does vs JAX and @ Lambs.

 

[TomPatriot]

Jimmy G doing well over the next few seasons can be a great motivator for Brady as he tries to quiet the naysayers.

My trade gripe was couldn't Pats have gotten a DE as well.

Did BB do a favor for Jimmy by trading him to SF so he can come out the closet this off-season?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

 

[Danger Zone]

What the hell are you talking about ? He had all the leverage and wanted to play. Brady is having another MVP season. They literally did all they could to postpone a decisions as long as possible without getting hosed on some ROI.

There was literally nothing you could have done without blowing up the entire salary cap structure of the team just to franchise him so he can be a backup for another year and live through the same situation in 2019 all over again.

Absolutely agree.

My only question is did we get the best pick?

But to think we didn't is to say that Belichick is an idiot and took the first offer or that he's easily bluffed. That doesn't have the ring of truth to it in my opinion.

 

[supafly]

Against the Titans, Jaguars, and Rams.

A Mariota led Titans or a Cassel led Titans? Also, there’s a chance, albeit slim, that the Rams could use their week 17 game as a makeshift bye, depending on how things shake out. For the moment though I agree with your point, and I’m going to assume that JG only wins 1 of these 3 games, which would give them 4 total on the season.

That would put them in competition with the following teams:

CLE (0)
NYG (2)
IND (3)
HOU (4)
DEN (4)
CHI (4)
TB (4)

Point being, the widespread idea that we’d be getting the #33 or #34 pick is certainly no sure thing at this moment in time. I don’t think it will be anything less than #36 or so, but one could still make the argument that we may have gotten more out of the deal. I never bought into the pipe dream of multiple first rounders etc, but maybe an additional 3/4 for 2019, or even a player that could’ve battled for a spot on defense, etc.

 

[Danger Zone]

This is my wishful thinking theory and Im sticking with it.

Belichick and Garappolo reached an agreement.

Belichick let Garappolo go play rather than ride the bench and Garappolo agrees to come back to New England after his rookie contract is up.

 

[aluminum seats]

That’s why the talk about “2 first rounders” in the draft was laughable. There was zero chance they’d get even one.

That's not true. The fact that something didn't happen doesn't then mean it had no chance of happening.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

2 wins on a bad team and I suppose you didn't see how often Jimmy G had to run for his life with that 49ers offensive line.

The 49ers got a fine quarterback, ought to be above league average and solve a problem for them if they can ink him. If not, all I hope is that he doesn't go to a rival (Bills or Jets). The idea of the JEST signing Garoppolo to try to build on McCown's (relative) success is the only one I'm even worried about and is one of the smarter moves they could make -- so of course they won't do it, but it's still a small cause for concern to me.

49rs are better than their record. They dropped 5 games by 3 or fewer points. So that very misleading. They won in Chicago because the Bears shot themselves in the foot (0 TD's), and the other game they went against the third string QB .
Jimmy is doing okay, but if you put him a Pats uniform that would not cut it.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

I will only regret that trade if they reach for another garbage SS ... If the find a contributor LB/DE I am ok.

 

[Simpelton]

49rs are better than their record. They dropped 5 games by 3 or fewer points. So that very misleading. They won in Chicago because the Bears shot themselves in the foot (0 TD's), and the other game they went against the third string QB .
Jimmy is doing okay, but if you put him a Pats uniform that would not cut it.

If he was playing for the pats he wouldn't have to play Toro with the defensive line every other thing and might have a far better result.

Our OL has issues, but nothing compared to the cheesecloth the 49era call an offensive line.

 

[rochrist]

49rs are better than their record. They dropped 5 games by 3 or fewer points. So that very misleading. They won in Chicago because the Bears shot themselves in the foot (0 TD's), and the other game they went against the third string QB .
Jimmy is doing okay, but if you put him a Pats uniform that would not cut it.

Last 2 games: TB12 45 for 73 .62 percent 1 TD 3 INTs
JAG 46 for 70 .66 percent 1 TD 2 INTs.

Just sayin.