Gronkowski Likely Facing Penalty From NFL After Hit On Sunday

[yukon cornelius]

he did live on the postgame on CSN with Mike Giardi

if i recall he was arguing with anyone and everyone against suspension on twitter last night

 

[upstater1]

bunch of god damn ***** liberals now days. this is what should be considered normal football, but now with all the ****ies in the world, what else do you expect. they should go watch Tatum, Lambert, Dobler highlights

Yep, all those guys on WEEI are ****y liberals! Callahan, Minihane, Smerlas!!!

 

[Tony2046]

as much as conspiracy theory Pats fans on this board think that crap, the league is not fixed in that manner against the Pats or any team. it is silly

I don't think it's on a game to game basis but Deflategate was all about handicapping the Pats.

Name another TE who receives phantom OPI's and has to run down field with his super CB cape around his neck.

Maybe that could be the rewatch thread topic.

 

[mosslost]

I don't think it's on a game to game basis but Deflategate was all about handicapping the Pats.

Name another TE who receives phantom OPI's and has to run down field with his super CB cape around his neck.

Maybe that could be the rewatch thread topic.

it was not about handicapping the Pats. Simply false. It was totally stupid and mis-directed, but it was absolutely not about trying to change the outcome of NFL games or seasons. That would be a suicide that even the NFL is not stupid enough to do.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Yep, all those guys on WEEI are ***** liberals! Callahan, Minihane, Smerlas!!!

callahan and minihane are just first class idiots, regardless of political affiliation lol

 

[yukon cornelius]

I called this one:

"Belichick via conference call on potential Gronkowski suspension impacting game plan not knowing either way: "Things are out of our control are out of our control. We will address the things we can address.""

 

[Tony2046]

The whistle isn't some magic "excuse all violence" thing. Doesn't matter if it hadn't blown. (1) The player was clearly OOB and (2) head shots are illegal before or after the whistle.

I don't consider what Gronk did a headshot. He wasn't targeting White's head imo. The difference being the intent of his actions.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I don't consider what Gronk did a headshot. He wasn't targeting White's head imo. The difference being the intent of his actions.

one of the points i've been making.....he piled on, jumped on his back.......in the 70's this happened every tackle lol

I keep coming back to the Alonso hit, but the intent there was clear, the target was clear

Talib & Crabtree's intent was clear as they were chasing each other across the field tossing haymakers

Evans intent was clear as he ran clear across the field to bury a guy from behind, jumped on top and threw punches


Gronk's frustration and loss of control was clear, and his intent was to jump on a player that was on the ground (whether he knew he was 'down', despite the big white line, is questionable in the circumstances, my guess is the kid was seeing red at that point)......but the intent in these other instances was far clearer

 

[Tony2046]

it was not about handicapping the Pats. Simply false. It was totally stupid and mis-directed, but it was absolutely not about trying to change the outcome of NFL games or seasons. That would be a suicide that even the NFL is not stupid enough to do.

They've done it twice. Spygate and Deflategate. It was about handicapping the Pats. It's not suicide if 31 other fanbases and owners enjoy it or believe the allegations. Hence the full blown PR campaign about 2 psi, fumble rates, and a smashed physics altering phone.

 

[Tony2046]

one of the points i've been making.....he piled on, jumped on his back.......in the 70's this happened every tackle lol

I keep coming back to the Alonso hit, but the intent there was clear, the target was clear

Talib & Crabtree's intent was clear as they were chasing each other across the field tossing haymakers

Evans intent was clear as he ran clear across the field to bury a guy from behind, jumped on top and threw punches


Gronk's frustration and loss of control was clear, and his intent was to jump on a player that was on the ground (whether he knew he was 'down', despite the big white line, is questionable in the circumstances, my guess is the kid was seeing red at that point)......but the intent in these other instances was far clearer

It was because of your posts that I went back and had a second look. Originally I had thought Gronk's arm brace hit White in the back of the helmet which it didn't.

 

[Stumpy]

Suspension or not, I LOVED IT! Moreso because it's the Bills. If the refs refuse to call PI and holding on Gronk, then bring it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I called this one:

"Belichick via conference call on potential Gronkowski suspension impacting game plan not knowing either way: "Things are out of our control are out of our control. We will address the things we can address.""

Yep. I said this last night as well.

There is no way in bleeping hell Bill is going to discipline Gronk.

 

[Tony2046]

Suspension or not, I LOVED IT! Moreso because it's the Bills. If the refs refuse to call PI and holding on Gronk, then bring it.

If you accept that hit you can't complain about Suh, Burfict or Pollard.

 

[yukon cornelius]

It was because of your posts that I went back and had a second look. Originally I had thought Gronk's arm brace hit White in the back of the helmet which it didn't.

from my POV his shoulder dropped right between his numbers....unfortunately gronk ways 270, and this bounced his head off the turf for the second time in 15 seconds......but i didn't see him drive the back of the head

 

[RobertWeathers]

It was because of your posts that I went back and had a second look. Originally I had thought Gronk's arm brace hit White in the back of the helmet which it didn't.

He hit him where the neck meets the head which was the bottom part of his helmet and above his name plate.

The only conclusion you can make is his intent was to hit him hard in the back of the head.

We can't sit back and "judge" what Gronk meant to do but only look at what he did.

 

[ohiopatsfan]

I prefer to think fairly about this whole thing. What Gronk did was wrong and he could have seriously injured the Bills' DB. IMHO, a fine commensurate with the offense and a one game suspension seems fair. If Goodell comes up with a multiple game suspension with an aim toward keeping Gronk out of the Steelers game, then I think the conspiracy theorists might have a leg to stand on. My one fear is that the suspension will be one game, the NFLPA or Patriots will appeal, and the appeal process will drag on until after the Miami game and be upheld for the Steelers game. I do have one question, if anyone knows the answer. When Gronk's suspension is enacted, do the Patriots get to fill his roster spot for that game or games? I think the answer is yes. If so, might BB activate Will Tye from the PS to fill out the TE slot? It would be good to see what he can do.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't think it's on a game to game basis but Deflategate was all about handicapping the Pats.

Name another TE who receives phantom OPI's and has to run down field with his super CB cape around his neck.

Maybe that could be the rewatch thread topic.

You guys with the All-22 would have your work cut out for you then. I’d hazard a guess that Gronk was either held or interfered with on the majority of his routes yesterday.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I prefer to think fairly about this whole thing. What Gronk did was wrong and he could have seriously injured the Bills' DB. IMHO, a fine commensurate with the offense and a one game suspension seems fair. If Goodell comes up with a multiple game suspension with an aim toward keeping Gronk out of the Steelers game, then I think the conspiracy theorists might have a leg to stand on. My one fear is that the suspension will be one game, the NFLPA or Patriots will appeal, and the appeal process will drag on until after the Miami game and be upheld for the Steelers game. I do have one question, if anyone knows the answer. When Gronk's suspension is enacted, do the Patriots get to fill his roster spot for that game or games? I think the answer is yes. If so, might BB activate Will Tye from the PS to fill out the TE slot? It would be good to see what he can do.

Gronk is still on the roster but is deactivated for the game. BB then can either chose a player from the PS or activate a member of the 53 on gameday who otherwise would have been inactive

 

[upstater1]

What really POs me about what Gronk did is that Brady has been getting hammered lately, and Gronk not being around causes Brady to hold onto the ball even longer!

 

[yukon cornelius]

He hit him where the neck meets the head which was the bottom part of his helmet and above his name plate.

The only conclusion you can make is his intent was to hit him hard in the back of the head.

We can't sit back and "judge" what Gronk meant to do but only look at what he did.

the side view looks bad.......but watch the angle from the rear, he contacts him between the numbers, and then his weight comes down on top of him......the side view looked way worse