Kraft admits he sold the team out

[archstanton543]

That would have been some nice info to use in an appeal. However he chose not to appeal and created this website for nothing.

Do you think that Goodell would have reduced the penalty levied on the Pats had they appealed?

Be honest.

 

[Ring 6]

That would have been some nice info to use in an appeal. However he chose not to appeal and created this website for nothing.

Lol at disagreeing with this. Is that like holding your breath?
He absolutely chose not to appeal and he absolutely did nothing with this report.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you think that Goodell would have reduced the penalty levied on the Pats had they appealed?

Be honest.

I don’t know. I do know that he trusted the wells report and was never provided a rebuttal. They certainly would have had a tremendous case.
I don’t buy the Goodell would penalize them if it was proven they did nothing wrong.
Per Goodell wells proved they did and the defense rested without uttering a word.

 

[Ring 6]

Well, they can't do that because the NFL operates and maintains the headsets. So, if they fail during a game (regular or post-season) it's on them, not Bill Belichick.

The weather controls ball pressure and that didn’t stop them.


Understand if this happens kraft would not appeal.

 

[Ring 6]

Lol at disagreeing with this. Is that like holding your breath?
He absolutely chose not to appeal and he absolutely did nothing with this report.

Lol. Stomping feet now?

 

[archstanton543]

I don’t know. I do know that he trusted the wells report and was never provided a rebuttal. They certainly would have had a tremendous case.
I don’t buy the Goodell would penalize them if it was proven they did nothing wrong.
Per Goodell wells proved they did and the defense rested without uttering a word.

I told you to be honest. That's not honest.

Okay, this is the last I'm going to say on this subject. Everything's been discussed to death:

People who think Bob's a traitor or whatever are out of their mind and can't see the forest for the trees (and they're the most ungrateful bunch of people you'll ever meet). If you really dislike him that much due to his actions during Deflategate, stop watching and going to the games. It's that simple. The old man's not going anywhere and when he is gone, his kid will be taking over (he's already taken over the day-to-day stuff already).

It's time to move on. Yep, Deflategate sucked and it could have been handled better by virtually everyone involved. But it is over.

That's it...I'm done talking Deflategate forever.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Lol. Stomping feet now?

We have reached the point where Andy is so fit to be tied..............he's now arguing with himself!!!!!!!

Go get'um Andy.....you know you better than anyone.

 

[Ring 6]

I told you to be honest. That's not honest.

Thanks for calling me a liar.

Okay, this is the last I'm going to say on this subject. Everything's been discussed to death:

People who think Bob's a traitor or whatever are out of their mind and can't see the forest for the trees (and they're the most ungrateful bunch of people you'll ever meet).

Not sure who called him a traitor, so your attempt to deflect with a shocking word is lame.
Fact is kraft admitted he made the decision that was best for the other owners and not best for his franchise. This is fact, and straight out of the horses mouth.
It’s up to individual fans to decide whether they think he should be focused on what’s best for his team or what’s best for the others even when it’s worse for the patriots. This is a nobrainer to me.

If you really dislike him that much due to his actions during Deflategate, stop watching and going to the games.

So love kraft or give up on the team? No one who disagrees with him is allowed in the club? Very Castro of you.

It's that simple. The old man's not going anywhere and when he is gone, his kid will be taking over (he's already taken over the day-to-day stuff already).

It's time to move on. Yep, Deflategate sucked and it could have been handled better by virtually everyone involved. But it is over.

That's it...I'm done talking Deflategate forever.

I don’t think anyone really asked you to talk about it much less twisted your arm and forced you to. We will be happy to continue without you.

 

[Ring 6]

We have reached the point where Andy is so fit to be tied..............he's now arguing with himself!!!!!!!

Go get'um Andy.....you know you better than anyone.

Try to follow along. Archstanton disagreed with a factual post then disagreed with the post saying he disagreed with a factual post.

 

[Clonamery]

I told you to be honest. That's not honest.

Okay, this is the last I'm going to say on this subject. Everything's been discussed to death:

People who think Bob's a traitor or whatever are out of their mind and can't see the forest for the trees (and they're the most ungrateful bunch of people you'll ever meet). If you really dislike him that much due to his actions during Deflategate, stop watching and going to the games. It's that simple. The old man's not going anywhere and when he is gone, his kid will be taking over (he's already taken over the day-to-day stuff already).

It's time to move on. Yep, Deflategate sucked and it could have been handled better by virtually everyone involved. But it is over.

That's it...I'm done talking Deflategate forever.

Wait!!! Are the fans the forest or the trees??? Or are we Little Red Riding Hood? I need a happy ending (that doesn't involve a massage parlor)!

 

[PatsFan2]

"Kraft admits he sold the Team out" Kraft preaching to the choir???

 

[Tony2046]

I told you to be honest. That's not honest.

Okay, this is the last I'm going to say on this subject. Everything's been discussed to death:

People who think Bob's a traitor or whatever are out of their mind and can't see the forest for the trees (and they're the most ungrateful bunch of people you'll ever meet). If you really dislike him that much due to his actions during Deflategate, stop watching and going to the games. It's that simple. The old man's not going anywhere and when he is gone, his kid will be taking over (he's already taken over the day-to-day stuff already).

It's time to move on. Yep, Deflategate sucked and it could have been handled better by virtually everyone involved. But it is over.

That's it...I'm done talking Deflategate forever.

Great. Don't criticize or disagree with Kraft because that means you're "the most ungrateful bunch of people".

Then don't criticize BB or Brady or MP or JM or any of the FO in the future. Because doing so would be "the most ungrateful" thing a person could do.

 

[IllegalContact]

Trying to splinter the argument between either "no team" or the "ass kissing capitulation" is reaching for extremes rather than the rational. It's just silly and weak.

There are much more honorable ways to lose a fight that do not include kissing, hugging, praising or supporting the fraud.

no it's not.....it's proving what a pathetic bunch of *****es y'all are

17 winning seasons in a row

 

[Clonamery]

no it's not.....it's proving what a pathetic bunch of *****es y'all are

17 winning seasons in a row

...says the poster who constantly *****es about posters that are *****ing.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Honest Question: Is referring to one of the Jewish faith as a "M.O.T" considered racially insensitive now?

My wife of 22 years is Jewish as is her family and I call all our Jewish celebrations, "Tribal Gatherings" and no one has ever taken offense?

No, but there is a gathering horde of PatsFans posters just salivating at the thought of it turning into something people get offended by, so they can vociferously complain about how people get offended too easily these days. Just waiting for someone to answer 'yes' to your question and throw some red meat to these folks.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

What in the world are you talking about?
It’s ok that we got screwed and kraft did nothing because they didn’t take away our super bowls?
Anything else is ok?

Ohhh we got screwed, did we?

Take it up with the PA who negotiated the CBA.

 

[Tunescribe]

Don't really see why. "Kraft is a great owner for this franchise," and "Kraft will cave under pressure from the entire rest of the owners' room" are not contradictory statements. There's nothing to reconcile, both are true.

It's becoming incresingly obvious to me that there's very little a rogue owner can do when the entire rest of the league's owners are united against him. Even Jerruh caved pretty quickly, the difference is Jerruh embarrassed himself a lot more than Kraft did first. People were actually pretending Jerry Jones was a good owner and comparing him favorably to the guy who is ultimately responsible for assembling the team that assembled the Dynasty just because they wish that Kraft had played the oak in the Aesop fable rather than the reed. Jerruh played the oak, and look what it got him.

28. THE OAK AND THE REEDS (Aesop for Children, 1919)

Tangibly taking a stand on principle should not be contingent upon what others might or might not do wrongly in response. And please, stop with the vintage literary references. Your brand of transcendentalism smacks of someone who needs to get out and actually live life vs. philosophically ruminating about it.

 

[Ring 6]

Ohhh we got screwed, did we?

Take it up with the PA who negotiated the CBA.

You don’t think we got screwed? A first and fourth and a brady suspension for doing nothing?

What does the nflpa abd cba have to do with Robert Kraft fighting penalties assessed on him and his franchise?

 

[goheels22002]

The league is corrupt. I know Jerry Jones worked the commissioner and threw a drunken tantrum so Goodell had to rescind Elliot's suspension.

Oh wait, he didn't.

Kraft likes to have a ****tail, maybe he should have got ripped and spit in Goodell's face.

Goodell even influenced [bought] a judge when he lost his case against Brady in court. Meanwhile Brady rubbed his chestnuts in the Fuehrers face to the tune of 2 Super Bowls.

I don't care what Bob Kraft did. He sold out Brady, but he stayed the eff out of Bill Belichick's way. That's what mattered. If you want to be pissed about Deflategate, focus on the NFLPA which gave Goodell absolute power in Article 46 of the NFL CBA. Bob Kraft could have mounted the biggest lawsuit in the history of lawsuits. It would not have mattered. Article 46. Check out the US Court of Appeals ruling:



The Cowboys took it up the kiester with Ezekiel Eliott's bogus case. If you have an online subscription to the Washington Post, today's (11-30-2017) sports page has a great whiny interview/analysis piece where 2nd-year nobody Dak Prescott talks about "all the distractions snowballing" on the Dallas Cowboys and how it's so tough to deal with Ezekiel Eliott's suspension and some injuries. What a bunch of babies they are in Texas. I am so effing sick of Jerruh Jones and his damn tapped out glory hole. Man up and get out of the team's way Jerry.

Belichick stayed the course from 2014 to 2017 and the Patriots went through more and won the damn Super Bowl in 2014 when Deflategate started and then again in 2016 when it ended. Look, ladies and gentlemen, we're in the 17th consecutive year of winning seasons.

Epic. Dean Smith-esque, actually. Dean took UNC to 23 consecutive NCAA tournaments. Nothing distracted him either.

The most delicious revenge was winning it all last year that can only be topped by winning it all again. (That goes for both defending champions Carolina and the New England Patriots.)

 

[RobertWeathers]

No, but there is a gathering horde of PatsFans posters just salivating at the thought of it turning into something people get offended by, so they can vociferously complain about how people get offended too easily these days. Just waiting for someone to answer 'yes' to your question and throw some red meat to these folks.

Oh yea. Its a matter of time.