Kraft admits he sold the team out

[Soliel]

I agree there.once Brady and bill are gone , I’m done with football

 

[Deus Irae]

LOL, what a coincidence! Obviously, your ego is bigger then Robert Krafts. Again, in twenty years, people will still be pissed but will not trade Kraft for another owner due to making this a great franchise.

You chose to follow up your first foolish post with one that was completely asinine.

Bold strategy, Cotton!

 

[Ring 6]

Kraft Tried to do the "go along, get along" route , and got screwed. He was wrong. we know it, he knows it.
Nothing will right the ship, in the fans eyes.

He F'd up.

No, he doesn’t believe he did. He would do the same thing again. These comments are him saying why it was the right thing to do.

But, at least he is coming out, and basically saying, the league is rigged and manipulated.

He invested a lot of money and work to get into the "club".

I don't like it. I'm sure, he regrets it.

No he doesn’t. He is saying his philosophy is that what he did was right.

It is what it is.

I doubt he would rollover again. If he does , it would be "fan suicide".
Nobody would forgive him. IMO.

He continues to say rolling over was the right move. Why would he not do it again?

The league is getting more and more corrupt and manipulated than ever.
Parity is alive and well.

We can keep watching, or as MANY have been doing, stop watching all together.

I live in Giants territory, and they are dropping like flies. 5h!tty playing, or fed up?Most, I talk to are fed up with the Anthem BS, the league BS in general.

I have a feeling, a lot of us, will stop when BB and TB are gone.
I'm in that category.

Giants fans are fed up with sucking.

 

[RayClay]

Brady is a member of the union that is the enemy of ownership and the commissioner.
Kraft is one of the commissioners bosses.
The idea that goodell is the power and kraft is the subordinate who should fear him is mind boggling.

Kraft is one. Don't see he has much support and the owners are probably more responsible for the corruption and the arsehole commissioner.

Question. If Goonell was going to give up his right to decide, or do a 180 and undo everything he did...why did he do them in the 1st place?

He could have rescinded them on his own at any time, but he didn't.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

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No, he doesn’t believe he did. He would do the same thing again. These comments are him saying why it was the right thing to do.


No he doesn’t. He is saying his philosophy is that what he did was right.


He continues to say rolling over was the right move. Why would he not do it again?

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Giants fans are fed up with sucking.

...And that's why, I'll be retiring, when TB and BB do.

I certainly wont continue to watch with the way the league is heading. You?
Will you keep watching and supporting, knowing this?

 

[Ring 6]

Kraft is one. Don't see he has much support and the owners are probably more responsible for the corruption and the arsehole commissioner.

We don’t know what power he would have in a showdown with goodell because he refused to try.

Question. If Goonell was going to give up his right to decide, or do a 180 and undo everything he did...why did he do them in the 1st place?

All goodell did was accept the wells report. If you believe the wells report is correct the penalties are not out of line. It’s ridiculous to believe that goodell independently studied the wells report and came to his own conclusion.
In essence wells was the prosecution and jury. Kraft chose not to put on a defense.

He could have rescinded them on his own at any time, but he didn't.

Why would goodell overturn wells when kraft chose not to rebut a single piece of the report in his allowed appeal?

 

[Ring 6]

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...And that's why, I'll be retiring, when TB and BB do.

I certainly wont continue to watch with the way the league is heading. You?
Will you keep watching and supporting, knowing this?

Yup. I like football. I enjoy the game. Why would I let a douchebag commissioner take that away from me?

 

[XLIX]

I agree there.once Brady and bill are gone , I’m done with football

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...And that's why, I'll be retiring, when TB and BB do.

I certainly wont continue to watch with the way the league is heading. You?
Will you keep watching and supporting, knowing this?

So once the good times and Patriots championships are over, you'll stop following the Patriots. But in the meantime 5 years or so, you'll give the NFL you time and attention.

Wow. Those are some really string principles.

 

[RayClay]

Brady is a member of the union that is the enemy of ownership and the commissioner.
Kraft is one of the commissioners bosses.
The idea that goodell is the power and kraft is the subordinate who should fear him is mind boggling.

The union is not the enemy, it is a legally recognized union and therefore has rights under the bargained agreement.

The owners signed away all rights Membership covenant 3.11

 

[Ring 6]

NFLPA asks Roger Goodell to recuse himself from Tom Brady appeal

League which had legal standing demands he recuse. Three days later he refused.

The nflpa is the enemy of the owners and the commissioner.
Kraft is one of goodell’s bosses.

Lets put it another way. Is management mor likely to concede to the wishes of the union or its owner?

 

[RayClay]

We don’t know what power he would have in a showdown with goodell because he refused to try.



All goodell did was accept the wells report. If you believe the wells report is correct the penalties are not out of line. It’s ridiculous to believe that goodell independently studied the wells report and came to his own conclusion.
In essence wells was the prosecution and jury. Kraft chose not to put on a defense.


Why would goodell overturn wells when kraft chose not to rebut a single piece of the report in his allowed appeal?

Goodell has absolute power. In the constitution and refusing to step down as arbitrator NFLPA.

Goodell commissioned the Wells report. Wells reported what he was told to report.

 

[RayClay]

The nflpa is the enemy of the owners and the commissioner.
Kraft is one of goodell’s bosses.

Lets put it another way. Is management mor likely to concede to the wishes of the union or its owner?

You're saying if Kraft was real nice, Goondell would reverse all the corrupt horseshit he himself directed?

 

[Ring 6]

The union is not the enemy, it is a legally recognized union and therefore has rights under the bargained agreement.

The owners signed away all rights Membership covenant 3.11

It is absolutely the enemy of ownership. What are you taking about.
Every issue that exists between them is owner vs union. The union cannot get anything without the owners losing it.

Look at it this way.
Which is worst to goodell and the owners?
Setting a precedent that gives the union more power or setting a precedent that gives the owners more power?

 

[Ring 6]

You're saying if Kraft was real nice, Goondell would reverse all the corrupt horseshit he himself directed?

No I’m saying kraft should have fought and fought hard. He didn’t even try. He mounted no defense. He simply accepted the penalties without objection. That is wrong.

 

[RayClay]

It is absolutely the enemy of ownership. What are you taking about.
Every issue that exists between them is owner vs union. The union cannot get anything without the owners losing it.

Look at it this way.
Which is worst to goodell and the owners?
Setting a precedent that gives the union more power or setting a precedent that gives the owners more power?

Well, he legally has to deal with the union. Also physically, because they can strike. He has absolute power in all dealings with the owners.

Now if Kraft had 20 something owners with him it would be different, but this whole thing is as much about owners turning on him as it is about the commissioner.

"They and each of them shall be bound by and will observe all decisions of the Commissioner of the League in all matter within his jurisdiction"

 

[Ring 6]

Goodell has absolute power. In the constitution and refusing to step down as arbitrator NFLPA.

He also has the power TO step down as arbitrator, a power he HAS exercised.
Roger, Wells got it wrong and I will put on a very strong defense. Given our relationship and my confidence that your guy got it wrong, I request you to step down and let Harold Henderson hear this one.

Goodell commissioned the Wells report. Wells reported what he was told to report.

Your only argument is there was a conspiracy theory so you think challenging the findings would be a waste of time. 1st and 4th, 1 million dollars, and Tom Brady’s reputation is worth the time. Perhaps he should have cancelled some of his vacations.

 

[RayClay]

No I’m saying kraft should have fought and fought hard. He didn’t even try. He mounted no defense. He simply accepted the penalties without objection. That is wrong.

Doesn't matter to me. I'm not into futile gestures. Brady did it legally, won and still got robbed in a very questionable manner. Brady also gave in eventually and won a Super Bowl.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Dude, you just said everything I could say. It’s a dagger in my heart to read some stuff like this. I’m kinda speechless

It's real real simple for Kraft. He can go down the hall and speak to the master on saying nothing (BB),

Reporter: Bob, J Jones and Goodell and blah blah blah...
Bob Kraft: That's a league matter that will be handled within appropriate league agreement. I'm focused on the huge game against a very good, very difficult to beat Buffalo team.

Reporter: but Bob, deflategate, Brady, Jones
Bob Kraft: we're on to Buffalo.

 

[Ring 6]

Well, he legally has to deal with the union. Also physically, because they can strike. He has absolute power in all dealings with the owners.

He has absolute power dealing with the players.
He WORKS FOR the owner. You seem to think they work for him.

Now if Kraft had 20 something owners with him it would be different, but this whole thing is as much about owners turning on him as it is about the commissioner.

You do not know that. Again you only have an argument if you make up facts.
Many owners believed the wells report
Without reading it. The owners thought he was guilty. He should have presented his case to them too.

"They and each of them shall be bound by and will observe all decisions of the Commissioner of the League in all matter within his jurisdiction"

And they have the right to appeal his decisions. Kraft decided not to.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

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So once the good times and Patriots championships are over, you'll stop following the Patriots. But in the meantime 5 years or so, you'll give the NFL you time and attention.

Wow. Those are some really string principles.

Yes....
If it wasn't for TB and BB, I would have been done a few years ago.

I don't like the current philosophy of the league, in general.
I am most certainly in the group of , "F' the league, but support the Pats".
IMO.
It's a very difficult position to be in.

Who says the Pats wont be good when TB and BB are gone?
But they are the ones I saw getting abused by the "system".

It's a very difficult situation for me. Pride or complacency?

It's not about Kraft, it's about the league becoming the WWF.

You choose what you like. But don't scrutinize my decisions.

TB and BB are the last, of the few with " Integrity" as I view it. If you see that as being "Band wagon", fine.