Heath Evans RIPS Donkey Kong Suh.

[PatsDeb]

On a serious note, at the game on Sunday I forgot Suh was on the Dolphins. I didn't hear his name, I don't think, until the 3rd quarter, and it was only once. So, Heath is right that the Pats slapped him around and made him invisible, at least on the legit stat sheet, on Sunday.

 

[dafoe2016]

When I read the title "Heath Evans RIPS" I first thought that Heath died! Thankfully he's alive and the OP has no idea how awesome Seymour was.

Seymour was a very good player. But to say that he didn't regularly vanish against good offensive lines is just delusional. Some of that was double teaming. Opponents were going to make other guys beat them, especially in some of those years when we had a patchwork DLine. Towards the end the double teams were not necessary. I don't know the man personally, but the impression I got was that he was never a full tilt player who gave 100% on every play like Teddy Bruschi.

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

 

[Tony2046]

Seymour was a very good player. But to say that he didn't regularly vanish against good offensive lines is just delusional. Some of that was double teaming. Opponents were going to make other guys beat them, especially in some of those years when we had a patchwork DLine. Towards the end the double teams were not necessary. I don't know the man personally, but the impression I got was that he was never a full tilt player who gave 100% on every play like Teddy Bruschi.

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

1. Being double teamed is not disappearing rather the complete opposite. Teams do not double team a dud.

2. During the playoffs Seymour had pass breakups, blocked kicks, tackles for losses, sacks and more importantly helped maintain the LOS and the edge. He was a beast.

He was named captain by his teammates, played special teams, made the pro bowl and made all pro.

That's quite a disappearing act.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I don't disagree with any of it. I mean Seymour is a finalist in Hall of Fame voting and he always seemed to disappear against elite offensive lines. Nobody mentions that. I think people tend to pile on Suh because he's so easy to hate. I know I do. It was just shocking to hear Heath go after a guy that hard.

 

[Biffins]

Seymour was a very good player. But to say that he didn't regularly vanish against good offensive lines is just delusional. Some of that was double teaming. Opponents were going to make other guys beat them, especially in some of those years when we had a patchwork DLine. Towards the end the double teams were not necessary. I don't know the man personally, but the impression I got was that he was never a full tilt player who gave 100% on every play like Teddy Bruschi.

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

All I hear is the usual crap that results in the bias against DL, especially interior lineman and in a 3-4 system the DE doesn't rush the passer either. This is why Wilfork also doesn't get acknowledged as an all-time great. It's hard to measure their contribution and easy to criticize. I have a hard time believing that Seymour got 7 Pro Bowls and 5 All-Pros on reputation alone.

Then again, Suh has 5 Pro Bowls and 6 All-Pros and this whole thread is about how he is overrated as well, so what do I know.

 

[PatsBoy12]

All I hear is the usual crap that results in the bias against DL, especially interior lineman and in a 3-4 system the DE doesn't rush the passer either. This is why Wilfork also doesn't get acknowledged as an all-time great. It's hard to measure their contribution and easy to criticize. I have a hard time believing that Seymour got 7 Pro Bowls and 5 All-Pros on reputation alone.

Then again, Suh has 5 Pro Bowls and 6 All-Pros and this whole thread is about how he is overrated as well, so what do I know.

Respect, Biffins. The Pro Bowl is a joke and simply a popularity/reputation contest. I'm pretty sure the All-Pros mostly came in his DET days (though I have not actually bothered to check), though it is still a bit shocking (if your post is accurate) that he has six of them. Wow. I certainly don't see anything now that warrants recognition or the contract. Other than the occasional flashy play, he simply is an uninspired football player who relies on his power alone and that doesn't always work. He does give up on plays and he's dirty. F-him. He's far more buck than bang at this point in his career. I'm sure some stupid team will overpay him one more time, though . . . maybe even the Dolphins. lol

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I was listening to WEEI this afternoon and you would think Suh pulled a Jameis Winston/Ben Roethlisberger on Evans' mother. Wow! He starts out by pointing out that Suh doesn't play well in playoff games. Not a large sample size, but fair enough. He said he doesn't perform well against good Offensive Lines. That he is soft, lazy, takes plays off and if there is even a hint of a cut block he will back away from the play and give up on it. Said he wouldn't last a day in New England, that his contract set the Dolphins back years. He said that he is just a big strong guy, not a football player, that he doesn't learn from his mistakes, that if anything, he's getting worse instead of better. That he is stealing from the Dolphins and that if he wasn't making so much money, Tom Brady wouldn't even know who Suh was because the Patriots have been dominating him and slapping him around for years. He didn't say it, but he clearly thinks Donkey Kong is a joke. Interestingly, he didn't touch on the fact that Suh is by far one of the dirtiest players in the league. There is probably some stuff I forgot, but he absolutely unloaded on DK.

I don't disagree with any of it. I mean Seymour is a finalist in Hall of Fame voting and he always seemed to disappear against elite offensive lines. Nobody mentions that. I think people tend to pile on Suh because he's so easy to hate. I know I do. It was just shocking to hear Heath go after a guy that hard.

Seymour was a monster, even against great offensive lines... he also had to play a 2-gap technique in a 3-4 defense, so he was not a true defensive end... I think Cowher or another hall of fame coach said on one of the pre-game or half time shows that 8 sacks from Seymour in his 3-4 technique role was like 15 sacks as a pure DE

Richard Seymour was the best defensive lineman the Patriots have had in the Belichick era and I would trade our next two 1st round picks for his clone in the draft

 

[Bruins29]

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

Actually, you are just wrong and instead of just maybe admitting it like a grown up you are doubling down, and trying to red herring this to death by claiming you are being insulted.

And as for your claim about no player is above being criticized, that is also ********. You are wrong. Just admit it and move on.

 

[Ivan]

You feel the guy is a vile cheap shot artist so you want to show him by cheap shotting him?
Interesting

Yep. I think he is out to hurt players and giving it back to him is the only way left to try and stop it. Do you have a problem with guys like Mankins acting as enforcers for their team’s?

 

[Ivan]

Seymour was a monster, even against great offensive lines... he also had to play a 2-gap technique in a 3-4 defense, so he was not a true defensive end... I think Cowher or another hall of fame coach said on one of the pre-game or half time shows that 8 sacks from Seymour in his 3-4 technique role was like 15 sacks as a pure DE

Richard Seymour was the best defensive lineman the Patriots have had in the Belichick era and I would trade our next two 1st round picks for his clone in the draft

I’ll take Wilfork. Same level of play but for a longer time.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Seymour was a very good player. But to say that he didn't regularly vanish against good offensive lines is just delusional.

No. Whats delusional is saying Seymour disappeared against good offensive lines. Further validation of why you are the most clueless poster on this board.

Some of that was double teaming. Opponents were going to make other guys beat them, especially in some of those years when we had a patchwork DLine. Towards the end the double teams were not necessary. I don't know the man personally, but the impression I got was that he was never a full tilt player who gave 100% on every play like Teddy Bruschi.

Categorically wrong. Do you really think BB would keep Sey around let alone make him the highest paid DL in the league in 2005 if he wasn't full tilt? Did you watch the games? What proof do you have?

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

This is so you. You post these ridiculous, non-sensical, asinine hot takes where no one agrees with you and go on to ***** and moan about how you are being unfairly criticized. Heres a thought.....Maybe if you spend more time authoring more well-thought out, reality based observations you won't get obliterated so often.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Seymour was a very good player. But to say that he didn't regularly vanish against good offensive lines is just delusional. Some of that was double teaming. Opponents were going to make other guys beat them, especially in some of those years when we had a patchwork DLine. Towards the end the double teams were not necessary. I don't know the man personally, but the impression I got was that he was never a full tilt player who gave 100% on every play like Teddy Bruschi.

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

If you command double teams every play and don't make a single tackle/sack, then you're earning your paycheck... Its an 11 on 11 game, when the other team has to use TWO players to counter your one, that player is elite

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I’ll take Wilfork. Same level of play but for a longer time.

Can't go wrong with either of them, although they were different players.. Having them on the same team for that short time was pretty awesome

Ahh the days of that Ty Warren/Wilfork/Seymour defensive line... they were so dominant

 

[Patjew]

Seymour was a very good player. But to say that he didn't regularly vanish against good offensive lines is just delusional. Some of that was double teaming. Opponents were going to make other guys beat them, especially in some of those years when we had a patchwork DLine. Towards the end the double teams were not necessary. I don't know the man personally, but the impression I got was that he was never a full tilt player who gave 100% on every play like Teddy Bruschi.

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

Oh yeah, look at all of the crazy tantrums. People are freaking out!

Getting double teamed is not disappearing, BTW. It's creating opportunities for others because one is so dominant.

 

[Kontradiction]

Seymour was a very good player. But to say that he didn't regularly vanish against good offensive lines is just delusional. Some of that was double teaming. Opponents were going to make other guys beat them, especially in some of those years when we had a patchwork DLine. Towards the end the double teams were not necessary. I don't know the man personally, but the impression I got was that he was never a full tilt player who gave 100% on every play like Teddy Bruschi.

It's sad that you can't point out any Pats player's flaws here without some people freaking out and throwing a name calling tantrum like an overprotective eight year old.

 

[FourierSeries]

On a serious note, at the game on Sunday I forgot Suh was on the Dolphins. I didn't hear his name, I don't think, until the 3rd quarter, and it was only once. So, Heath is right that the Pats slapped him around and made him invisible, at least on the legit stat sheet, on Sunday.

He's always invisible when he plays NE.

 

[Ring 6]

Yep. I think he is out to hurt players and giving it back to him is the only way left to try and stop it. Do you have a problem with guys like Mankins acting as enforcers for their team’s?

I’m fine with tough players.
I find dirty play as a response to dirty play as hypocritical.

 

[brdmaverick]

Being both one of the dirtiest players and highest paid players is certainly a recipe for getting a lot of attention (good and bad), so I think the criticism is warranted.

 

[Tony2046]

If you command double teams every play and don't make a single tackle/sack, then you're earning your paycheck... Its an 11 on 11 game, when the other team has to use TWO players to counter your one, that player is elite

I almost can't believe this is even a conversation but then again this season has been a Hawt take bonanza.

Some of my personal favorites:

"Fluttering passes" - Apparently a new way to judge Brady's aging issues because the strong arm and accuracy arguments weren't holding up. So now it's "although Brady still possesses a strong arm and is still accurate his passes are fluttering to his target." hahaha

"Athletic processing" - I have yet to find out what this means but it was used to describe Brady's apparently obvious decline. Cliff??

"Gilmore's a Bust" - Week two. Gilmore is on his 2nd team, under his 4th Head Coach and 6th Defensive Coordinator in his 6th season and somehow he was a bust in week two although the prior two years he was able to achieve shutdown CB status. Wtf?

"This is a must win game" - Week 3. Hahaha Hadn't even played a divisional opponent yet. hahaha

"Seymour disappeared" - is the latest "Stats rule my life and is my religion" bizzaro stance. Context? Who needs it?

Kontra's Signature of Shame contest was a nice Hawt Take bonus though.

 

[Tony2046]

I’m fine with tough players.
I find dirty play as a response to dirty play as hypocritical.

Meanwhile you have Burfict and Suh stomping on arms and legs, tackling at the legs and then rolling them and leading with their helmet knocking players out. I don't care if someone returns the favor. Their team nor the league are doing anything about it.