ESPN sinking Disney

[jah]

Lmao @ the Fox&Friends panel going on in this thread

 

[Wheelman]

How's that 9 billion dollar contract for MNF rights working out for you BSPN? Only an idiot would have agreed to that. I don't know who was running BSPN, but talk about failing upwards.

Not only that, they give you crap games after you completely railroaded Brady for the NYJFL*. And what did you get for all that? Nodda! Zip! Nothing!

Talk about getting skooled! What a fail!

That's why BSPN is crashing and burning, and it's taking Disney with them.

 

[Patjew]

Sink that ship... brick by brick!

 

[Joey007]

Everyone on that network is very passive aggressive, and it's pretty unsettling. Kinda like most people that are on that side of the political spectrum. (Just look a few posts above me.)

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Disney pulls in 45 billion in revenue a year. Although, they will eventually do something with espn, they are not sinking that ship. Disney revenue continues to grow so 1 or 2 billion loss isn't anything to worry about. Many big companies operate with certain subsidiaries that lose money. There is are actually strategic advantages used by companies to leverage the services of each other and show a loss by a subsidiary for tax purposes. You shift money from a subsidiary in a higher tax paying state/country to the parent in a lower tax paying state/country. The same applies to moving the money to subsidiaries in lower taxed states. Many US corporations do this to avoid taxes. They use REITS (real estate investment trusts) where they charge rent to their physical locations in other states and move the revenue to places with no taxes or low taxes. They also will set of fake Delaware companies that may have intellectual property that they then charge the company to license by moving money that way.

They are very efficient at moving money to themselves while avoiding taxes. Look up "Double Irish". I know the corporation I work for uses it. You'd be hard-pressed to find any significant corporation that doesn't use a variety of complicated tax avoidance strategies so it's not unusual for a company to ensure that some of its subsidiaries lose money.

I know that I'm charged rent for my office, use of computer, software, network access and just about everything else for my job. I know that cost is transferred to parts of the company where they can be used to their advantage.

I'm not saying it's Disney's strategy here but don't think they are not leveraging that loss somehow. They would be negligent if they did not use this to their advantage and Disney is a very sharp operation.

 

[Deus Irae]

Let the ratings dictate who gets fired. That’s the measuring stick of performance.

And yes, shows are a popularity contest. If few like you, your show and performance sucks and it’s time to go.

They didn't base it on ratings the first time. Why expect it now?

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

It's time to yank Keith Olbermann out from in front of his Sony HandyCam propped on empty PreparationH boxes, and give him his show back on ESPN.

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Eff that!

 

[archstanton543]

ESPN is maybe slowing Disney down a bit but they're making billions worldwide with Star Wars and Marvel so they'll be fine until they fix or sell ESPN.

 

[borg]

It's time to yank Keith Olbermann out from in front of his Sony HandyCam propped on empty PreparationH boxes, and give him his show back on ESPN.

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So the goal is to completely eliminate red state viewers? You'd fit in perfectly in Bristol

 

[dafoe2016]

Curt Schilling was ran out of the business for it.

Curt Schilling is an insane, sickening excuse for a human being.

 

[Deus Irae]

Curt Schilling was ran out of the business for it.

Curt Schilling is an insane, sickening excuse for a human being.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Part of ESPN's demise was unavoidable. A bunch of us had noted on this board years ago regarding the forced sub fees house of cards. With cord cutting the numbers didn't add up for future projections.
Added to ESPN's issue is the US is a 50/50 (generally) political environment. If you are going to target just one of the 50s in this environment of Internet and a million channel/content choices, there will be a smaller but added price to be paid. If ESPN(Disney) made the specific choice to target only one of the 50s and they'd live with potential consequences? Kudos to them for making the decision and accepting of the consequences. From my view as an expert in Television Media (as a Cisco router guy I'm by default a Television media expert ) it's seems an odd choice. Sports figures have been involved in politics for many years and there is at minimum nothing wrong with that. But within the game/sport itself it has always been overwhelmingly agnostic. People with utterly diverging political views were on the same team when it came to rooting for "our" team. Odd business move IMHO to allow that agnostic approach to the game/sport to be lost purposefully.

ESPN as a channel isn't going anywhere/they are not going to disappear, but it's gonna get A LOT worse and they are gonna get a lot smaller. Bundling is majorly propping up a bunch of stations, ESPN for sure is one of them. In the coming years innovation/competition to make money off of cord cutting-making cord cutting easier and better will continue (cheap, easy to use, Internet only DVRs with easy to use guides will be huge). Also, greater bandwidth(throughput) will make the ability to deliver/receive content to devices with nothing more than a wireless connection to the Internet more reliable.
Cable and Satellite companies are going to, one day, have to un-bundle or risk losing big customer numbers altogether (versus accepting lower revenue but keeping customer numbers higher via un-bundling). And there isn't much if anything the cable and satellite companies can do but un-bundle, and there isn't thing one(x 10) that ESPN can do about keeping these forced sub fees. ESPN's forced sub cash cow is akin to the dutch boy and the dyke. ESPN has ten fingers and leak number 6 just opened up. Every year will be a new leak. Within, probably, 5 years there will be more leaks than fingers.
So they better fight as hard as they ever have for TV and Internet ad dollars + the FAR smaller but continued sub fees they'll get, then downsize to reach an ops budget commensurate to this new revenue reality. That's the cold hard truth of ESPN's future...

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I've never heard anyone argue that ESPN's problems will be resolved by actively seeking less subscriber fees. That was their golden goose which brought them to their heights. Replacing that amount of revenue is a long shot at best and would only exacerbate their current problems.

That's correct with extreme prejudice. ESPN did take a semi-somewhat gamble as a non OTA station by paying the Treasure of Sparta for the top sporting events. But it paid off big time. They were getting and keeping huge numbers of live viewers in the optimal demo - something few stations could do. It allowed ESPN to ask and receive the big forced sub fee and be within the basic package of every cable/satellite package.

This made ESPN one of the biggest media outlets in the world.

As far as replacing the revenue as a "long shot" chance? Even that's wildly optimistic about their chances. It used to be having a cable or satellite package was akin to having a car or a refrigerator or a landline telephone -- it was a must have. And ESPN won with every one of these cable/sat subscriptions regardless if the subscriber was an ESPN watcher or even a sports fan. But cable/sat simply isn't the must have item anymore.

Nowadays just about everyone knows someone who has cord cut/has no cable or sat subscription. And that is going to expand -- rapidly so in the not too distant future -- until un-bundling comes. Look, that was one hell of a trick by ESPN to make that kind of massive! revenue from tens of millions of non ESPN fans and non sports fans in general. But those days are coming to an end unless ESPN can somehow figure out how to get forced sub fees from every Internet connection

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

If Jemelle Hill doesn't go ESPN is 100% afraid of pc sjw coastal elite media backlash...

They are and so is everyone else in msm. Fair or unfair, right or wrong, no one in media wants other media to cast them as *ist.

But if JH is let go then it will be about $$$. No, not cost saving or better revenue $$$, it is the behind the scenes $$$ that ESPN gives to the right place/organization. As a company you can often buy 'get out of jail free cards' if you give $$$ to strategic places/orgs (and while frequent, it isn't always SJW/left places). It stinks to high heaven how big corps and msm work but the enemy for this warped system is ourselves.

 

[goheels22002]

So the goal is to completely eliminate red state viewers? You'd fit in perfectly in Bristol

Uh, no.

The idea is to go back to letting the sports people who will speak truth to the NFL and the owners in all the sports do their thing. ESPN went so completely in the tank with the NFL - financially and editorially - that they destroyed the network. They assumed they could just keep passing along the cost to subscribers, and it is clear they cannot.

 

[Deus Irae]

Uh, no.

The idea is to go back to letting the sports people who will speak truth to the NFL and the owners in all the sports do their thing. ESPN went so completely in the tank with the NFL - financially and editorially - that they destroyed the network. They assumed they could just keep passing along the cost to subscribers, and it is clear they cannot.

You either don't know what Olbermann has been doing and saying for over a decade, or you're crazily thinking he's going to inspire the political right to return to watching ESPN despite all he's done and said. Either way, I have no doubt that ESPN agrees with me when I say that there's no way in hell Olbermann is part of the solution.

 

[Kontradiction]

Watching the business channel at the gym. espn to layoff 100.
While this does not seem like a huge #, commentators observed it is much larger than expected and significant for espn (but not for infinitely larger Disney).
Good, they earned the demise by straying from their core objective, sports coverage, which was doing well.

What you mean this...

...wasn’t what you wanted to have shoved down your throat?

 

[borg]

Uh, no.

The idea is to go back to letting the sports people who will speak truth to the NFL and the owners in all the sports do their thing. ESPN went so completely in the tank with the NFL - financially and editorially - that they destroyed the network. They assumed they could just keep passing along the cost to subscribers, and it is clear they cannot.

So........Olbermann is "sports people"
And Olbermann is just the kind of "sports people" who can save ESPN from itself.
Got ya!
So....your plan would be what........have Olbermann bash leagues, owners, sponsors, and deplorables....and this would reverse their subscriber collapse?
Interesting business model

The good news is....ESPN already bashes its sponsors and deplorables....so Olbermann would only have to be hired part time. ...that's a 50% savings right there. Plus......to buy Olbermann out of his GQ contract might only cost ESPN the price of hiring a couple of security guards to escort him from the GQ premises.
I would tune in for that

 

[Clonamery]

They are and so is everyone else in msm. Fair or unfair, right or wrong, no one in media wants other media to cast them as *ist.

But if JH is let go then it will be about $$$. No, not cost saving or better revenue $$$, it is the behind the scenes $$$ that ESPN gives to the right place/organization. As a company you can often buy 'get out of jail free cards' if you give $$$ to strategic places/orgs (and while frequent, it isn't always SJW/left places). It stinks to high heaven how big corps and msm work but the enemy for this warped system is ourselves.

Wish I could have gotten the Cliff Notes version of your posts. Thanks anyway, I’m sure they’re brilliant, maybe next time.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Wow, bring back Olbermann that's your plan?

ESPN, has actually tied itself now with the NBA, so they will sink or swim with that allegiance.

Do me a favor and take a look at the stands today and tomorrow and tell me how many SJW you see.

Knowing your audience, is the #1 thing in entertainment, and ESPN has screwed the pooch with that.