Mack Herron
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For me the loss of control (bobble) is the least contentious aspect.
Just win.
Technically I think it is one and the same bobble. There is a clear loss of control. I don't think anyone claims he regained control then lost it again (though there is much confusion). Rather, I think that once he lost control, the claim is that he did not regain control when he hit the ground. The two tenable arguments are (1) he did not regain control when he transferred hands as he fell on the ball, or (2) it isn't clear he regained control when he fell. Once he rolled over he had control, but that is irrelevant.Fwiw, the "bobble" isn't the initial strip, it's the movement of the ball after ASJ lands on the ground.
So you really don't have a meaning, then.
What other meaning do you want besides just winning a football game. An Ugly win or a blowout doesn't earn you extra credit for winning.
A win is tough to come by this season you should be happy we won that game. Just because a rule was enforced doesn't decrease the value of a win.
Technically I think it is one and the same bobble.
The "fumble thru EZ" rule has no merit, and your scenario has nothing to do with it, especially because there already is a rule on the books (for several decades) to stop what you're talking about.
Because of the infamous "Holy Roller" play, a fumble cannot be advanced by the offense on any 4th down play and any play at all in the last two minutes of a half unless the fumbler recovers it himself.
So in a covered situation if offensive player X fumbles it forward and offensive player Y recovers it, the ball goes back to where X fumbled it. Only if X recovers it himself will the ball be spotted at the point of the recovery.
The initial comment of this chain (the post of yours that I responded to) was about the value of a win.
Whether you care to admit it or not, while all wins are wins, not all wins have equal value. And, whether you care to admit it or not, how you win does sometime increase/decrease the value of a win.
An obvious example of different win value is the win that's the last game of a season, and is a "must win" in order to get to the post-season, versus the last game of a season that has absolutely no impact on any postseason appearances or seeding.
Another example of different win value, using a different notion of value, is the difference between beating an 0-15 football team versus beating a 15-0 football team.
And, an obvious example of "how" you win impacting a type of value is the difference in how Patriots fans value the different SB wins.
Oh yeah, late season games for home field and byes are especially valuable. These early games are still important too in determining values for games later on. All these games are important thats why i don't care how we win as long as we do. I replied to this original post because even though we won someone was upset our defense still was bad because if it wasn't for that EZ fumble we would have given up 24 points. I was just happy we won and just hoped to relieve their stress.