WR Malcolm Mitchell on Injured Reserve

[Kontradiction]

Well yeah, if you consider him only in the fishbowl of Patriot non-slot WRs BB has drafted, he looks pretty spiffy.

I'm the one disconnected from reality because I look beyond the fishbowl in my judgement? Thanks for the chuckle.

I can already see an attempt to move the goal posts here. You're already having a world of difficulty already and this, as a result, should be a relatively easy day at the office. Branch prior to Edelman and Mitchell, was widely considered Belichick's best draft pick at the WR position (as a whole and not narrowing it down to slot vs. flanker/split end). Branch carved out a very successful career as a pro and eventually went on to become Super Bowl MVP. For reference, rookie year numbers are as follows:

1. Branch - 43 rec., 489 yards, 2 TDs. GP = 13, GS = 7.

2. Edelman - 37 rec., 359 yards, 1 TD. GP = 11, GS = 7.

3. Mitchell - 32 rec., 401 yards, 4 TDs. GP = 14, GS = 6.

No matter what metric you're using, if you're calling Mitchell a JAG after one year in a system as complicated as the one the Patriots run, you're not paying attention. With the data and information we have available to us now, it shouldn't surprise you in the least that you're being laughed out of this thread. Instead of digging your heels in and getting demolished, you should maybe take a minute, re-evaluate, and admit that maybe you went a little too far in the "JAG" designation that you assigned him. I don't think anyone that has debated you here thinks Mitchell is a world-beater. At least not with the information we have right now. But he's shown that he's no JAG, either.

Either that, or you can dig your heels in and refuse to admit that you were reaching a bit on an anonymous Internet forum. Whatever works for you.

 

[Angelpats]

You have to appreciate when a player contributes towards winning a Super Bowl. He made crucial catches towards that goal. If he doesn't do anything else the rest of his career as was with Butlers Super Bowl winning int then he still accomplished what a vast majority of teams and players have never accomplished. He's no JAG but he's also not a superstar yet either. You can't expect the world from a player after one season. That unreasonable.

 

[neuronet]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF**** how did I miss this until now? The guy is crazy talented, hope he recovers quickly.

The lack of injuries last year was pretty much luck. I was thinking we had some TB12 magic pixie dust stretching routine, but I think it was pretty much...dumb luck.

 

[BabeParilli]

No, I am NOT claiming anything, and nothing in my post comes even close to "being like saying that Mitchell is awesome". That comes very close to putting words in my mouth that I did not say and then making a straw man argument - something for which I have ZERO tolerance.

I posted statistical information about Mitchell's usage and performance and posed a question to YOU about why YOU think he's a JAG. And you have yet to address that question.

Not only did I not come within a mile of putting words in your mouth, I came nowhere near providing a strawman either. Is there something in the water around here that denies people the ability to know what a strawman actually is? I did in no way misrepresent your argument.

I provided the truth of the matter by expressing what I could agree to (which is truth, I don't deal in homer delusion). This notion you have is a BB platoon scheme that he uses because he doesn't value starting talent as do others in certain aspects of team building at certain times.

I've said repeatedly here why I see him as a JAG, but I'll repeat it to spare you looking through other posts. He caught 32 passes last season ranking him 142th in receptions in the league. He will have not started 75% of the games he could have started by the 9th game this year (at least), and BB traded his 1st round pick for Cooks which shows he doesn't see MM as much more than a JAG.

I think that's pretty good evidence to make my case for him being a JAG as opposed to the counterarguments about 7 catches in one game and him being better than the crappy guys BB has a long history of drafting at WR. Perhaps you could add something to the discussion to change my view. I'm afraid saying the rest of the NFL doesn't have starters isn't going to do that.

 

[BabeParilli]

I can already see an attempt to move the goal posts here. You're already having a world of difficulty already and this, as a result, should be a relatively easy day at the office. Branch prior to Edelman and Mitchell, was widely considered Belichick's best draft pick at the WR position (as a whole and not narrowing it down to slot vs. flanker/split end). Branch carved out a very successful career as a pro and eventually went on to become Super Bowl MVP. For reference, rookie year numbers are as follows:

1. Branch - 43 rec., 489 yards, 2 TDs. GP = 13, GS = 7.

2. Edelman - 37 rec., 359 yards, 1 TD. GP = 11, GS = 7.

3. Mitchell - 32 rec., 401 yards, 4 TDs. GP = 14, GS = 6.

No matter what metric you're using, if you're calling Mitchell a JAG after one year in a system as complicated as the one the Patriots run, you're not paying attention. With the data and information we have available to us now, it shouldn't surprise you in the least that you're being laughed out of this thread. Instead of digging your heels in and getting demolished, you should maybe take a minute, re-evaluate, and admit that maybe you went a little too far in the "JAG" designation that you assigned him. I don't think anyone that has debated you here thinks Mitchell is a world-beater. At least not with the information we have right now. But he's shown that he's no JAG, either.

Either that, or you can dig your heels in and refuse to admit that you were reaching a bit on an anonymous Internet forum. Whatever works for you.

I can assure you that I am exceedingly well versed in wrangling with the homer delusions and it doesn't even scratch the surface of annoying me. I've dealt with it for over a decade in tens of thousands of posts.

You keep bringing up Branch like that is some awesome benchmark to strive for. Branch was an overrated JAG too. He did squat after he wasn't getting fed by Brady. In fact,the only other year than 2005 that he was a standout was in 2010 when he came back to Brady.

Perhaps my conception of what makes a JAG is a stricter standard than you fellas. I'm sure if you think MM is not a JAG then you don't think Cleveland's Coleman or the Titan's Sharpe are JAGs either.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Mitchell has talent he's just hurt far too often to be relied on, the Pats really can't afford another guy who has massive injury problems every season with Gronk and Amendola already on the roster who are "more probable than not" to get hurt and miss games every year.

That's not even counting on the freak season ending type injuries to Edelman.

You can't carry 3 pass catchers who are going to miss games every single year, that's just brutal.

 

[Tony2046]

"I think my wife is a Jag cook because we went to a five star restaurant last Friday. "

#jaglogic

 

[maineman209]

This notion you have ...

LOL!

I stopped reading right there. No point in trying to discuss anything with a mind-reader.

NVM

 

[BabeParilli]

LOL!

I stopped reading right there. No point in trying to discuss anything with a mind-reader.

NVM

Let me shed some light on this for you:

When you post "To me, "starter" is a meaningless designation in today's game-planning NFL.", my addressing your view is not me "mind reading", it's just called "reading".

Hope that helps.

So, you've said I used a strawman, which I didn't.
You said I nearly put words in your mouth, which I didn't.
And now you say a statement you made which I addressed was me mind reading rather than addressing a statement you made.

I see the pattern here. Does this work for you out in RL (or here for that matter), or do people call you on this BS like I have?

 

[captain stone]

Huh? This makes zero sense. So does that mean Wilfork's selection was an indictment of Ty Warren?

One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other, especially because Wilfork did not play 3-4 DE and Warren did not play 3-4 NT.

 

[captain stone]

...Mitchell is a starting-caliber receiver...

No he isn't. Not even on this team.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

We need one of these other tight ends besides gronk to give us some production offensively.

 

[BabeParilli]

No, I am NOT claiming anything, and nothing in my post comes even close to "being like saying that Mitchell is awesome".

Just to be as accurate as possible in fairness to you, you did make a claim. You claimed the term starter is meaningless in the NFL. That is a claim, and an incorrect one.

And while you did not use the word awesome in regard to MM, you went into detail to compare his activity to Hogan and even Edelman. By comparing them favorably you are putting MM in the tier with those, so if you don't think he's awesome then you must not think the others are.

I will admit to using a bit of poetic license to make a point in my reply with the word"awesome". My apologies for that if it rankled you.

 

[Tony2046]

No he isn't. Not even on this team.

What's your point? Do you think Mitchell is a jag? I don't.

 

[Kontradiction]

I can assure you that I am exceedingly well versed in wrangling with the homer delusions and it doesn't even scratch the surface of annoying me. I've dealt with it for over a decade in tens of thousands of posts.

If you think that I'm a homer, then the fact that you have been doing this for "decades" makes more sense as it appears your mental faculties are not all there.

You keep bringing up Branch like that is some awesome benchmark to strive for. Branch was an overrated JAG too. He did squat after he wasn't getting fed by Brady. In fact,the only other year than 2005 that he was a standout was in 2010 when he came back to Brady.

I also brought up Edelman as well, which you've conveniently ignored. My guess is because it destroys your argument. You've already shown that you're beginning to become aware that your argument is faulty, but possibly due to your age and this mistaken sense that it's given you some sort of wisdom, you're ignoring your better logic and instead digging your heels in. That's fine by me.

As far as Branch? I'm sure Mitchell is striving for more as he had a more productive NFL season and got into the end zone more than both Branch and Edelman did in their rookie years. But, if we're making direct comparisons, then I'll will gladly take 398 receptions, 4,297 yards, 24 TDs, and a Super Bowl MVP performance. That's the guy that Mitchell has been compared to, and those aren't JAG numbers. Neither were Mitchell's in his rookie years.

Perhaps my conception of what makes a JAG is a stricter standard than you fellas. I'm sure if you think MM is not a JAG then you don't think Cleveland's Coleman or the Titan's Sharpe are JAGs either.

No... its just that your definition of a JAG is terrible and you were reaching. But you're well aware of this and, for whatever reason, are still choosing to pick this street corner to die on. Coleman had a very bright start to his rookie season, too. And no, injuries do not make one a JAG when the talent is there.

 

[Kontradiction]

What's your point? Do you think Mitchell is a jag? I don't.

JAGs don't turn in that kind of performance in the hardest NFL offensive system to master.

 

[captain stone]

What's your point? Do you think Mitchell is a jag? I don't.

I don't either, but he's also not starter-calibre.

 

[BabeParilli]

If you think that I'm a homer, then the fact that you have been doing this for "decades" makes more sense as it appears your mental faculties are not all there.



I also brought up Edelman as well, which you've conveniently ignored. My guess is because it destroys your argument. You've already shown that you're beginning to become aware that your argument is faulty, but possibly due to your age and this mistaken sense that it's given you some sort of wisdom, you're ignoring your better logic and instead digging your heels in. That's fine by me.

As far as Branch? I'm sure Mitchell is striving for more as he had a more productive NFL season and got into the end zone more than both Branch and Edelman did in their rookie years. But, if we're making direct comparisons, then I'll will gladly take 398 receptions, 4,297 yards, 24 TDs, and a Super Bowl MVP performance. That's the guy that Mitchell has been compared to, and those aren't JAG numbers. Neither were Mitchell's in his rookie years.



No... its just that your definition of a JAG is terrible and you were reaching. But you're well aware of this and, for whatever reason, are still choosing to pick this street corner to die on. Coleman had a very bright start to his rookie season, too. And no, injuries do not make one a JAG when the talent is there.

That's pretty comical stuff you have offered there. Where to begin? Well, it'soooo chock full of BS beginning isn't really worthwhile. If anybody actually buys any of that hot air, well, they are as handicapped in this as you are. But, just one little nugget... you're seriously comparing Edelman's rookie year, a converted QB, to MM? LOL

And I'm not digging anything in. My points have yet to take a scratch from anything offered here. And you're really going to play the Branch SBMVP card? Anybody with a modicum of football sense knows Brady should have gotten that. In fact, it further supports my claim that Branch was not much at all without Brady.

 

[Kontradiction]

That's pretty comical stuff you have offered there. Where to begin? Well, it'soooo chock full of BS beginning isn't really worthwhile. If anybody actually buys any of that hot air, well, they are as handicapped in this as you are. But, just one little nugget... you're seriously comparing Edelman's rookie year, a converted QB, to MM? LOL

Why not? Mitchell was splitting time between corner and receiver in college. At Kent State, Edelman had a lot of practice running in space in the offense they played which is why the Pats converted him to wideout. The really aren't all that different. The angry tenor of your post is noted here, though. Again, I suspect that's because you're beginning to become aware that your argument is weak and isn't making a whole lot of sense on any level.

And I'm not digging anything in

Sure you are. You know you went a bit too far in the JAG designation. You just don't want to outright admit it. That's why you're tossing out one logical fallacy after another (several straw men, moving the goal posts, and now some ad hominem being sprinkled in) in a flailing effort to convince yourself that you were actually correct in your OP.

My points have yet to take a scratch from anything offered here.

You've literally gotten your ass handed to you by everyone that has responded to you.

And you're really going to play the Branch SBMVP card?

Sure. Branch was the Super Bowl MVP. There is no "card" to "play". That is something that actually happened.

Anybody with a modicum of football sense knows Brady should have gotten that.

Sure, but Branch was equally deserving. His stat line: 11 rec., 12 targets, 133 yards. Against the 2004 Eagles defense. Those aren't JAG numbers. Further, that you're trying to make Branch a JAG is even more hilarious than you arguing Mitchell is a JAG. That's a ****-your-pants level of hilarity.

In fact, it further supports my claim that Branch was not much at all without Brady.

Branch without Brady caught 190 balls for 15 TDs. The numbers dip as you expect them to when he's not playing with the GOAT (and is instead playing with Hasselbeck on the back nine of his career), but those aren't Just Another Guy numbers. As a matter of fact, Branch was doubled quite a bit in those days and still turned in those numbers while dealing with a number of injuries.

 

[BabeParilli]

Why not? Mitchell was splitting time between corner and receiver in college. At Kent State, Edelman had a lot of practice running in space in the offense they played which is why the Pats converted him to wideout. The really aren't all that different. The angry tenor of your post is noted here, though. Again, I suspect that's because you're beginning to become aware that your argument is weak and isn't making a whole lot of sense on any level.



Sure you are. You know you went a bit too far in the JAG designation. You just don't want to outright admit it. That's why you're tossing out one logical fallacy after another (several straw men, moving the goal posts, and now some ad hominem being sprinkled in) in a flailing effort to convince yourself that you were actually correct in your OP.



You've literally gotten your ass handed to you by everyone that has responded to you.



Sure. Branch was the Super Bowl MVP. There is no "card" to "play". That is something that actually happened.



Sure, but Branch was equally deserving. His stat line: 11 rec., 12 targets, 133 yards. Against the 2004 Eagles defense. Those aren't JAG numbers. Further, that you're trying to make Branch a JAG is even more hilarious than you arguing Mitchell is a JAG. That's a ****-your-pants level of hilarity.



Branch without Brady caught 190 balls for 15 TDs. The numbers dip as you expect them to when he's not playing with the GOAT (and is instead playing with Hasselbeck on the back nine of his career), but those aren't Just Another Guy numbers. As a matter of fact, Branch was doubled quite a bit in those days and still turned in those numbers while dealing with a number of injuries.

You just like making things up as you go, lol. Your antics crack me up, though I have seen them before. I'm sure there are more than a few here who could tell some war stories about your crazyness.

Let's do it this way. You pick one of your silly points and I'll shred it up for you. There are just too many to go through them all.

If you don't want to pick, I will.

(PS You're another one who doesn't know what a strawman is, but throws the term out to blow smoke. And you've GOT to be joking about ad hominim. You started any of that, for sure. The fact is, you're completely full of **** all the time.)