Zolak: Brady will get a two-year extension

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This is the third or fourth place I have seen you state this opinion as fact. Where in Brady's contract does he have a no trade clause because I have been trying to find it on google for the past hour and have gotten nothing. So knowing this is totally left field never ever gonna happen but assume it did for discussion purposes. Cleveland offers you their first round pick next year for Brady, we are talking most likely top 10 in a QB deep draft, so you gotta pounce on that right? Based on my understanding of the CBA Brady then has two options neither of which is choose his destination, get cut, or play for the pats. He can either retire or he can play for the Browns. Where are you getting that this is not the case?

He can tell the Browns he doesn't want to play for them and they will not make the trade.

 

[pazrul72]

He can tell the Browns he doesn't want to play for them and they will not make the trade.

Yes but if they were dumb enough to make that trade they would still own his rights and if he wanted to play 5 more years his only option would be to play in Cleveland. Its the same option every player has but it sounded to me like you thought Tom was special in this regard. Bottom line is if Bill wants to trade him AND finds a willing partner there is nothing in Tom Brady's contract stopping it so please stop stating Tom can choose his destination. He can't.

 

[BTTA]

Yes but if they were dumb enough to make that trade they would still own his rights and if he wanted to play 5 more years his only option would be to play in Cleveland. Its the same option every player has but it sounded to me like you thought Tom was special in this regard. Bottom line is if Bill wants to trade him AND finds a willing partner there is nothing in Tom Brady's contract stopping it so please stop stating Tom can choose his destination. He can't.

He can, for the reason given above. He'd make it known where he was willing to play, and only those teams will be willing to enter negotiations with the Pats regarding a trade. That's just as concrete an outcome as his contract.

But this is all pretty silly speculation anyway.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes but if they were dumb enough to make that trade they would still own his rights and if he wanted to play 5 more years his only option would be to play in Cleveland. Its the same option every player has but it sounded to me like you thought Tom was special in this regard. Bottom line is if Bill wants to trade him AND finds a willing partner there is nothing in Tom Brady's contract stopping it so please stop stating Tom can choose his destination. He can't.

Yes he can. No one is going to trade for him without knowing he will go there. Do you think he will keep it a secret so the trade goes through?

What will happen in the real world is if the patriots consider trading him (which will never happen) he will tell them where he will accept. They will have to trade him there or keep him or release him.

It doesn't have to be in the contract to be what will happen.

 

[Kontradiction]

If thats the case, then what the heck was Brady thinking!? haha

Its a broken play, let your skill guy try to get some yards and move on to the next one... I remember my reaction to that play was my jaw on the floor.. i thought he was going to get wrecked

He probably should have gotten wrecked. If it was a lesser QB, like Bortles or Fitzpatrick, they would have left the field on a stretcher. I think that shows the respect other players in the league on the defensive side of the ball have for him. He rightfully should have been laid out and, yet, was not. And that was even against a bitter rival. That said, I have no doubts that someone like Pollard or Ward would have went helmet-to-helmet.

 

[Huckleberry1]

As.

This is the third or fourth place I have seen you state this opinion as fact. Where in Brady's contract does he have a no trade clause because I have been trying to find it on google for the past hour and have gotten nothing. So knowing this is totally left field never ever gonna happen but assume it did for discussion purposes. Cleveland offers you their first round pick next year for Brady, we are talking most likely top 10 in a QB deep draft, so you gotta pounce on that right? Based on my understanding of the CBA Brady then has two options neither of which is choose his destination, get cut, or play for the pats. He can either retire or he can play for the Browns. Where are you getting that this is not the case?

You would trade Brady for a first round pick?

That's batshit crazy.

 

[pazrul72]

Yes he can. No one is going to trade for him without knowing he will go there. Do you think he will keep it a secret so the trade goes through?

What will happen in the real world is if the patriots consider trading him (which will never happen) he will tell them where he will accept. They will have to trade him there or keep him or release him.

It doesn't have to be in the contract to be what will happen.

I try to never underestimate the level of stupid people are willing to sink to. I agree they would be beyond idiotic to trade for a player that is not willing to play for you but I said assume the trade goes down specifically with a trade that would never ever in a million years go down just to illustrate my point. Brady has no say in where he is traded. At that point just like every other NFL player he has two options retire or play for the traded team. The difference is retiring is a far more likely option for Brady then for a 24 year old kid who has made only a couple million. Who knows maybe the browns think they can convince Brady they are close with him and he has total say in what offense they will be running.

 

[pazrul72]

As.


You would trade Brady for a first round pick?

That's batshit crazy.

After this season for a top 10 pick? See this is my problem with both you and Andy you present your opinion like it's the only one and anyone who disagrees with you is "batshit crazy". Before you go into your kellerman cliff routine as I have said in other threads I have seen no decline in Brady's game and Agree he has been playing at an all pro MVP caliber level. He is likely to IMO for the next 2 years. Physically I bet he could play another 2-4 After that at a top 15 QB in the league level. Before the draft I was all in on making the team around Brady the best it could be for those years by trading Grop. Now I have new data that has to shape my opinion because Bill didn't do what I wanted. I don't think Brady will play 5 more years. I THINK he has two more before family pressure is going to make him retire before he is 100% physically done. Based on his Jordon comment about 6 rings I believe that is his last goal and he will be at peace calling it a career after that to spend more time with his family. So to answer your question would I give up 2018 of Brady to keep Grop and add a mayo Seymour wilfork or mccourty to the team? Damn right I would and it has nothing to do with how much I love and adore Tom Brady

 

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I try to never underestimate the level of stupid people are willing to sink to. I agree they would be beyond idiotic to trade for a player that is not willing to play for you but I said assume the trade goes down specifically with a trade that would never ever in a million years go down just to illustrate my point. Brady has no say in where he is traded. At that point just like every other NFL player he has two options retire or play for the traded team. The difference is retiring is a far more likely option for Brady then for a 24 year old kid who has made only a couple million. Who knows maybe the browns think they can convince Brady they are close with him and he has total say in what offense they will be running.

Ok so in a world that doesn't exist where people do things that people don't do in this one, Brady gets shown the door by thus franchise, does absolutely nothing to control where he ends up and the team trading for him decides to not check and see if he will go there and the patriots take advantage of a trading partner by trading them a player who won't report.

Hell in that works maybe Brady never ages and can stay here until he's 90.

 

[pazrul72]

Once again Andy completely missing the point to hear yourself talk. Tom Brady does not have a no trade clause in his contract nor is his contract special in any other way which means his rights are totally 100% in the patriots control. They can trade those rights to whomever they wish so Brady can not "choose his destination" as if he was a FA. Now out of respect for his many years of exemplary service I would be quite angry with the front office if they traded him to some **** hole. Talk of retiring should and most likely would scare off any team looking to trade him but like I said I try to never underestimate stupid.

 

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After this season for a top 10 pick? See this is my problem with both you and Andy you present your opinion like it's the only one and anyone who disagrees with you is "batshit crazy". Before you go into your kellerman cliff routine as I have said in other threads I have seen no decline in Brady's game and Agree he has been playing at an all pro MVP caliber level. He is likely to IMO for the next 2 years. Physically I bet he could play another 2-4 After that at a top 15 QB in the league level. Before the draft I was all in on making the team around Brady the best it could be for those years by trading Grop. Now I have new data that has to shape my opinion because Bill didn't do what I wanted. I don't think Brady will play 5 more years. I THINK he has two more before family pressure is going to make him retire before he is 100% physically done. Based on his Jordon comment about 6 rings I believe that is his last goal and he will be at peace calling it a career after that to spend more time with his family. So to answer your question would I give up 2018 of Brady to keep Grop and add a mayo Seymour wilfork or mccourty to the team? Damn right I would and it has nothing to do with how much I love and adore Tom Brady

And you make your post as if all of your assumptions are fact.
You don't have new information. The fact that you thought trading JAG this year rather than next made sense and it didn't happen isn't new information it's a wrong assumption.
Then you pile on other assumptions about what is in Brady's head to conclude he is going to retire after he wins the SB this year, so that means we can trade him to another team for a top 10 pick because apparently this family pressure you invented will go away if he is playing for the Browns

 

[pazrul72]

And you make your post as if all of your assumptions are fact.
You don't have new information. The fact that you thought trading JAG this year rather than next made sense and it didn't happen isn't new information it's a wrong assumption.
Then you pile on other assumptions about what is in Brady's head to conclude he is going to retire after he wins the SB this year, so that means we can trade him to another team for a top 10 pick because apparently this family pressure you invented will go away if he is playing for the Browns

I didn't invent it Giselle made some VERY public comments making it clear how she feels. You choose to ignore it cuz Brady said he'll play at least 5 more years. And Grop not being traded plus schefters report ARE new information so how do you explain the conflicting stories we are getting?

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't invent it Giselle made some VERY public comments making it clear how she feels. You choose to ignore it cuz Brady said he'll play at least 5 more years. And Grop not being traded plus schefters report ARE new information so how do you explain the conflicting stories we are getting?

She did not say she is pressuring him to retire. She said she is concerned about concussions. Did you think she wasn't?
Not trading someone is not new information.

In keeping with your approach to try to judge how right the other person thinks they are, what makes her comments VERY public as opposed to just public.
And aren't you choosing to ignore Brady says he wants to play 5 more years?

 

[pazrul72]

She did not say she is pressuring him to retire. She said she is concerned about concussions. Did you think she wasn't?
Not trading someone is not new information.

In keeping with your approach to try to judge how right the other person thinks they are, what makes her comments VERY public as opposed to just public.
And aren't you choosing to ignore Brady says he wants to play 5 more years?

Saying something to Tom while at a party someone might overhear and report on...kinda public. Talking to a small mom and pop local paper....public. Going on national television and bringing up the most controversial subject you can...Very public.

Yes to make the rest of what I am hearing fit I am ignoring Tom or choosing to disbelieve him. Based on the little I know of him, despite following him intently for years, I find Tom to be a very private person who is humble and does not enjoy the spotlight. I find it totally in keeping with his character to not wantloarewell tour or all the fanfare Ortiz had when the world knew it was his last year. How do you make sure that doesn't happen? "I'm playing at least 5 more years And maybe longer if I am still having fun at 45. I will reevaluate it then." while I believe Tom to generally be an honest person that kind of lie would not surprise me in the least.

Here's the biggest difference between us Andy I have no problem saying I could be wrong. I have an opinion based on limited data that keeps changing. Nothing would make me happier then for Brady to play another decade and leave after winning his 10th ring. I find that to be entirely unrealistic but Brady has proven everyone wrong so many times I would just shrug my shoulders and say only Brady. If you had a Crystal ball and told me Brady is gonna throw for 75 TDs this year I wouldn't say you're batshit crazy I would just be like only Brady could do that. I am as big a Tom Brady fan as you will find and respect the man and everything he has brought to this franchise immensely. My biggest problem with deflategate and why it continues to enrage me is what it did to Brady as a person. Turning the public perception of one of the best people on the planet to a cheater and a hack makes me see red. All of that said his time is coming and soon.

Limited data again but from it I believe you are seriously selling Grop short. He is far more then just another QB they can find anywhere in the draft based on Bill's action. I think the gap from Brady to Grop is far smaller then from Grop to whomever is next. The NFL is littered with 100's of failed franchise QB's. When you find one they are worth their weight in gold. Do I like the transfer? No I am not thrilled with it but I understand the thinking. You're a fan short for fanatic you don't have to be realistic or plan for the worst. Bill does and calling people or their opinions out who say we'll maybe this is what's happening just makes you look like an ***.

 

[Ring 6]

Saying something to Tom while at a party someone might overhear and report on...kinda public. Talking to a small mom and pop local paper....public. Going on national television and bringing up the most controversial subject you can...Very public.

Eavesdropping is not public.
When you are who they are saying it to the weekly shopper is ultimately the same level of public as holding a press conference. Just lol that you capitalize it and think it is more meaningful.

Yes to make the rest of what I am hearing fit I am ignoring Tom or choosing to disbelieve him.

That's all you need to say.
You choose to believe a direct statement but create a fantasy world out of extenuating items.

Based on the little I know of him, despite following him intently for years, I find Tom to be a very private person who is humble and does not enjoy the spotlight. I find it totally in keeping with his character to not wantloarewell tour or all the fanfare Ortiz had when the world knew it was his last year. How do you make sure that doesn't happen? "I'm playing at least 5 more years And maybe longer if I am still having fun at 45. I will reevaluate it then." while I believe Tom to generally be an honest person that kind of lie would not surprise me in the least.

You agree you know nothing about him and then go in to say why he would publicly lie (many times by the way) and personally think something else.

Here's the biggest difference between us Andy I have no problem saying I could be wrong.

Of course you do or you wouldn't argue every little point.

I have an opinion based on limited data that keeps changing. Nothing would make me happier then for Brady to play another decade and leave after winning his 10th ring. I find that to be entirely unrealistic but Brady has proven everyone wrong so many times I would just shrug my shoulders and say only Brady. If you had a Crystal ball and told me Brady is gonna throw for 75 TDs this year I wouldn't say you're batshit crazy I would just be like only Brady could do that.

I never said you were batshit crazy.

I am as big a Tom Brady fan as you will find and respect the man and everything he has brought to this franchise immensely. My biggest problem with deflategate and why it continues to enrage me is what it did to Brady as a person. Turning the public perception of one of the best people on the planet to a cheater and a hack makes me see red. All of that said his time is coming and soon.

Then why are you wasting all this time predicting his demise?

Limited data again but from it I believe you are seriously selling Grop short. He is far more then just another QB they can find anywhere in the draft based on Bill's action.

What action? Keeping him as a backup says he likes him as a backup.

I think the gap from Brady to Grop is far smaller then from Grop to whomever is next.

The gap from Brady to any other active QB is greater than the gap from that guy to "whoever".
That's the point. You can have the greatest of hope for garoppolo but it is TOM BRADY you are comparing him to. The GOAT. THE GOAT who is also currently the best player in the NFL. Who just CARRIED this team to 2 rings in the last 3 years.

The NFL is littered with 100's of failed franchise QB's. When you find one they are worth their weight in gold.

One of hundreds of failures is worth their weight in gold?

Do I like the transfer? No I am not thrilled with it but I understand the thinking. You're a fan short for fanatic you don't have to be realistic or plan for the worst. Bill does and calling people or their opinions out who say we'll maybe this is what's happening just makes you look like an ***.

I am an @ss for disagreeing with you?

You do realize that you just "called me out" for my opinion right?
Does that mean you are an @ss?

 

[Ross12]

I like Jimmy a lot, but I think Brady will be here a while longer. As odd as it kind of felt like on the surface when BB didn't trade Jimmy this offseason, I truly believe now that he simply kept Jimmy as insurance against a Brady injury. This is an INCREDIBLE roster, but they would be dead in the water with Brissett as the starting QB, should Brady be seriously injured. However, there's at least a chance that Jimmy is talented and experienced enough to still win a Super Bowl with this roster, this year. It wouldn't be easy but it's possible. The corpse of Peyton Manning just won a Super Bowl the other year for god's sake.

My current expectation is an extension for Brady, which signals that Jimmy is not gonna be here next year. They'll be more comfortable with that in a year's time, because Brissett will be going into his third year and probably more capable of running the full offense. They will either franchise-tag Jimmy and trade him to whoever wants him for maybe a 1st or 2nd, or they'll simply let him go into free agency unrestricted and take the probable 3rd-round comp pick. Yeah, they could've probably gotten a couple firsts for him this offseason (in my opinion) but Belichick probably valued insuring his maybe-best-roster-ever with a second quality QB a lot more than gambling on Brady's health all year just to pick up a couple more rookies who may have trouble cracking the roster anyway.

 

[XLIX]

Yes but if they were dumb enough to make that trade they would still own his rights and if he wanted to play 5 more years his only option would be to play in Cleveland. Its the same option every player has but it sounded to me like you thought Tom was special in this regard. Bottom line is if Bill wants to trade him AND finds a willing partner there is nothing in Tom Brady's contract stopping it so please stop stating Tom can choose his destination. He can't.

Nobody is going to trade for "the rights" to Tom Brady. If he tells a team "I won't play for you" then they won't trade for him.

 

[pazrul72]

Eavesdropping is not public.
When you are who they are saying it to the weekly shopper is ultimately the same level of public as holding a press conference. Just lol that you capitalize it and think it is more meaningful.
That's all you need to say.
You choose to believe a direct statement but create a fantasy world out of extenuating items.
You agree you know nothing about him and then go in to say why he would publicly lie (many times by the way) and personally think something else.
Of course you do or you wouldn't argue every little point.
I never said you were batshit crazy.
Then why are you wasting all this time predicting his demise?
What action? Keeping him as a backup says he likes him as a backup.
The gap from Brady to any other active QB is greater than the gap from that guy to "whoever".
That's the point. You can have the greatest of hope for garoppolo but it is TOM BRADY you are comparing him to. The GOAT. THE GOAT who is also currently the best player in the NFL. Who just CARRIED this team to 2 rings in the last 3 years.
One of hundreds of failures is worth their weight in gold?
I am an @ss for disagreeing with you?
You do realize that you just "called me out" for my opinion right?
Does that mean you are an @ss?

I am on a cell phone at work with crap internet and customers that keep interrupting me so perhaps I am not always as articulate as I would like to be. I have been a long time lurker here, as in I remember NEM's craziness and vendetta against the various OC's we have had through out the years. As such you aren't on my ignore list, one because talking about issues should never get to that point, and two because I have read you for years and know you as one of the quality insightful posters on this board. I am not calling out you or your opinion I am trying to get you to see how frustrating it is that you present your opinions as facts and the way you currently argue/debate this topic makes you look like an ass.

I am going to make this my last post of the subject so feel free to have the last word. I don't know what is going to happen with Brady and Grop going forward. What I wanted to happen didn't and as such I have had to readjust my expectations and I don't think that is an unreasonable position to take. I find Bill not trading Grop for the at least #12 pick that was offered to be a monster statement of what he thinks he has in Grop. A real franchise QB that can compete for a championship and with luck win one or two. Is he going to be Brady? Hell no, I doubt we see another Brady in the next 50 years. That said I feel 10 years of very good to great QB play is more important then one year of GOAT play. I watch football to be entertained and 10 years of entertainment is a long time. Having to root for a Brown's caliber franchise where just getting to the playoffs is a major accomplishment must suck. That's the sort of franchise you become without a legit starter at QB.

You talk about the gap at QB like Brady is a 100/100 and nobody else is even a 80. Maybe I am misreading and thats not how you mean it, but its how it sounds to me. I do think Brady is a 100 but Rodgers, Brees, Pay me a ton, choose your flavor are not that huge of a gap behind. Say they are a 95, what's that one extra play a game? Sure this game comes down to inches and a single play can make or break a victory but you take Brady out of that equation and a 95 is plenty good enough to win a Superbowl. Is Grop a 95? I would guess more like a 90 but he could be. That still isn't the 60-70 most of the QB's in the league are and most likely the sort of guy the patriots would end up drafting. How much do you give up to keep that guy?

That is the action I was talking about from Bill. He kept Grop over reported multiple high picks. Besides those actions what else do we know about him and what Bill thinks of him? When I am explaining my position I make sure to clarify that I am no high level insider, I am not Brady's best friend or confidant I am just another jamoke like all of you who reads everything Patriot I can get my hands on. I recognize that my opinion doesn't mean a damn thing and all I get is the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the real story. Expressing my opinion as a poorly informed opinion not fact.

I agree with you Andy that right now Brady is the best player in the NFL and is likely to still be that this year with a high probability of it being true next year. I agree he is owed the highest level of respect and admiration it is possible to give an athlete because he has gone so far and beyond anything we could have ever expected. I agree your source is the best possible one, the man himself saying repeatedly that he wants to play for another 5 years. I will even say you could be right and he will continue to be that player for the next 5 years and bring home another championship or two. If anyone can its Tom F'in Brady the man Hollywood couldn't make a movie about because it would be too unrealistic.

What I can't do is make sense of the different stories we are getting. Scheffter has a highly placed source in management that feeds him info. My bet is Jonathon Kraft but it could be Stacy James, Patricia, or Ernie Adams. He has been right more often then not. He was adamant that Grop would not be traded for any price. He has reported with equal assurance that Grop is in their long term plans. How can that be if Bill only values him as a back up? How does all of that add up when Brady is going to be playing for another 5 years? My answer is to go look at the one piece of information I have that doesn't fit the rest of the puzzle. Brady's comments. Why would he lie? You can call it making things up, living in a fantasy world or whatever you want but I can see Brady doing it to shut the media up about his retirement. Am I right? Again I am not Brady's best friend so I have no idea but I have listened to every interview and press conference so it could be. We will know in a couple years.

My absolute ideal world is for Brady to play for the pats the next two years, retire with a threepeat and seven rings. Grop then takes over in 2019 and the pats remain year in and year out contenders maybe winning another ring or two when everything goes their way. Probably not going to happen but a man can dream

 

[pazrul72]

Nobody is going to trade for "the rights" to Tom Brady. If he tells a team "I won't play for you" then they won't trade for him.

You're most likely right but I never underestimate stupid.

 

[Ring 6]

I am on a cell phone at work with crap internet and customers that keep interrupting me so perhaps I am not always as articulate as I would like to be. I have been a long time lurker here, as in I remember NEM's craziness and vendetta against the various OC's we have had through out the years. As such you aren't on my ignore list, one because talking about issues should never get to that point, and two because I have read you for years and know you as one of the quality insightful posters on this board. I am not calling out you or your opinion I am trying to get you to see how frustrating it is that you present your opinions as facts and the way you currently argue/debate this topic makes you look like an ass.

I am going to make this my last post of the subject so feel free to have the last word. I don't know what is going to happen with Brady and Grop going forward. What I wanted to happen didn't and as such I have had to readjust my expectations and I don't think that is an unreasonable position to take. I find Bill not trading Grop for the at least #12 pick that was offered to be a monster statement of what he thinks he has in Grop. A real franchise QB that can compete for a championship and with luck win one or two. Is he going to be Brady? Hell no, I doubt we see another Brady in the next 50 years. That said I feel 10 years of very good to great QB play is more important then one year of GOAT play. I watch football to be entertained and 10 years of entertainment is a long time. Having to root for a Brown's caliber franchise where just getting to the playoffs is a major accomplishment must suck. That's the sort of franchise you become without a legit starter at QB.

You talk about the gap at QB like Brady is a 100/100 and nobody else is even a 80. Maybe I am misreading and thats not how you mean it, but its how it sounds to me. I do think Brady is a 100 but Rodgers, Brees, Pay me a ton, choose your flavor are not that huge of a gap behind. Say they are a 95, what's that one extra play a game? Sure this game comes down to inches and a single play can make or break a victory but you take Brady out of that equation and a 95 is plenty good enough to win a Superbowl. Is Grop a 95? I would guess more like a 90 but he could be. That still isn't the 60-70 most of the QB's in the league are and most likely the sort of guy the patriots would end up drafting. How much do you give up to keep that guy?

That is the action I was talking about from Bill. He kept Grop over reported multiple high picks. Besides those actions what else do we know about him and what Bill thinks of him? When I am explaining my position I make sure to clarify that I am no high level insider, I am not Brady's best friend or confidant I am just another jamoke like all of you who reads everything Patriot I can get my hands on. I recognize that my opinion doesn't mean a damn thing and all I get is the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the real story. Expressing my opinion as a poorly informed opinion not fact.

I agree with you Andy that right now Brady is the best player in the NFL and is likely to still be that this year with a high probability of it being true next year. I agree he is owed the highest level of respect and admiration it is possible to give an athlete because he has gone so far and beyond anything we could have ever expected. I agree your source is the best possible one, the man himself saying repeatedly that he wants to play for another 5 years. I will even say you could be right and he will continue to be that player for the next 5 years and bring home another championship or two. If anyone can its Tom F'in Brady the man Hollywood couldn't make a movie about because it would be too unrealistic.

What I can't do is make sense of the different stories we are getting. Scheffter has a highly placed source in management that feeds him info. My bet is Jonathon Kraft but it could be Stacy James, Patricia, or Ernie Adams. He has been right more often then not. He was adamant that Grop would not be traded for any price. He has reported with equal assurance that Grop is in their long term plans. How can that be if Bill only values him as a back up? How does all of that add up when Brady is going to be playing for another 5 years? My answer is to go look at the one piece of information I have that doesn't fit the rest of the puzzle. Brady's comments. Why would he lie? You can call it making things up, living in a fantasy world or whatever you want but I can see Brady doing it to shut the media up about his retirement. Am I right? Again I am not Brady's best friend so I have no idea but I have listened to every interview and press conference so it could be. We will know in a couple years.

My absolute ideal world is for Brady to play for the pats the next two years, retire with a threepeat and seven rings. Grop then takes over in 2019 and the pats remain year in and year out contenders maybe winning another ring or two when everything goes their way. Probably not going to happen but a man can dream

This is why your posts are so maddening.
First you whine that because I have an opinion I'm saying It is fact. I gave never said that at all.

Then you go on there rambling episodes of saying nothing that makes any sense.
Brady comes out without being asked multiple times that he want to play til he is 45 but you choose to think he is lying because you can't understand that garoppolo has value right up until he doesn't. So you make up that someone is leaking info to schefter.
Schefter was right the patriots weren't trading JAG. And yes he is in their plans. But when next year gets here and his ****ract is up he won't be in their plans at the expense of Brady.
It's funny that you take things you don't understand and then make things up to have them make sense to you.


In any event in this whole long diatribe you seem to have now dropped the idea we were discussing which is that tom Brady was going to be traded.
I'm not sure what the point of all the rest is.

We seem to have reached agreement on the point we were discussing.

Oh and feel free to out me on ignore. I actually find your responses pretty much to be an annoyance to the real discussion, which in this case was the news that Brady is likely to be extended, but that appears to be no better to you than his own words.