Derek Carr needles Seahawks over SB49 loss... heh...

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Derek Carr Trolls Seahawks Over Super Bowl-Losing Interception Vs. Patriots



Love to see their reaction to that... oh, wait, we already have...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Marshawn will be benched by October.

 

[Wheelman]

So let me get this straight? They paid 25 million a year to a Quarterback who obviously can't read defenses from a TV screen better than Patriots fans?

Only an idiot would call a run play against the pats goal-line defense with the Seahawks personnel on the field at the time. Derek Carr clearly is an idiot.

 

[BobDigital]

He is on cloud 9 after his contract and just wants to have fun. However to be honest he should not have said anything at all about it.

 

[varjao]

More like needles Russell Wilson, unnecessary I'd say.

 

[BobDigital]

Also just to be clear I don't think passing on 2nd and goal with 1 TO was automatically the wrong call though I don't like the play call. I think a pass to the outside in a catch or incomplete play would have been better then the more risky in the teeth of the defense kind of pass play.

Reasons to run it on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) It is the highest % play to score. It is true the Lynch wasn't great at the goal line in obvious run situations that year but you need to believe in your teams best players.
2) You had a time out left. If you don't score you simply stop the clock and can talk about the next 2 plays and think of them carefully.
3) the Odds of something going wrong on 3rd down that might effect your potential chance on 4th down are low as you will have so much time to plan 3rd down and get the play you want.
4) The odds of something bad happening on a run play are lower than a pass play.

Reasons to pass on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) You keep all options open for 3rd down and 4th down. If incomplete and with your time out remaining you can either run or pass on either down depending on how you like the look. If you run you becomes predictable on 3rd down.
2) In case something like a sack happens on 3rd down you will have a chance to regroup and not rush the last play with a desperation play cause you keep the time out.
3) You keep the flexibility to simply call a time out if you don't like the look to change your play or make the D change theirs on either 3rd or 4th down.
4) While the odds of something bad happening on a pass play are higher than a run play they are still very low if your QB plays the situation the way he is suppose to.

Oh the whole it comes down to this. A run on 2nd down increases your chances to win the game then and there but if it fails your chances go down cause now they know you are passing next down and if something happens like a catch and tackle in bounds behind the line or a sack that will be game over likely before the next play comes and it just makes it easier on the defense for those downs. However there is something to be said for looking too far ahead and taking the chance you know you have now is better than worrying about what happens after.

IMO I blame Wilson the most. I think when all is said and done passing on 2nd instead of shoving a lot of your chips in on 2nd down is the smarter move in the macro sense when it comes to percentages.

I think Wilson even as a young QB had to know that he didn't need to try to force it into that spot. The play was designed to go to that spot but there was a lot of traffic there and he had Lynch and Luke Wilson I think (TE) running to the outside on the left. The better play for him in that situation is seeing how the middle was clogged to try to get the ball there and let either Lynch or Wilson make a play or let the ball fall incomplete. That would have been the place to go with the ball clearly but he didn't and instead tried to force it into his first read when it was doubtful.

Honestly looking at that play again.



I think Lynch probably had Hightower beat if Wilson had been more patient and even if not he had a good chance. Worse comes to worse put the ball in a safe spot and hope for a catch or try again. The issue is Wilson telegraphed his intent and stared down his WR the whole way. It was 100% clear where the play was going and made it possible for Butler to make the play he did. In fact Butler is closing in before Wilson enters his throwing motion. Wilson misses it and still follows through. It was Wilson just putting blinders on to the situation very badly.

Edit: It wasn't Hightower on Lynch but someone I could not identify. Either way the player appears to be beat.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Rubbish. SEA would never have scored.

The football God's would not have allowed Pete Carroll to be a 2x SB winning coach.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Also just to be clear I don't think passing on 2nd and goal with 1 TO was automatically the wrong call though I don't like the play call. I think a pass to the outside in a catch or incomplete play would have been better then the more risky in the teeth of the defense kind of pass play.

Reasons to run it on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) It is the highest % play to score. It is true the Lynch wasn't great at the goal line in obvious run situations that year but you need to believe in your teams best players.
2) You had a time out left. If you don't score you simply stop the clock and can talk about the next 2 plays and think of them carefully.
3) the Odds of something going wrong on 3rd down that might effect your potential chance on 4th down are low as you will have so much time to plan 3rd down and get the play you want.
4) The odds of something bad happening on a run play are lower than a pass play.

Reasons to pass on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) You keep all options open for 3rd down and 4th down. If incomplete and with your time out remaining you can either run or pass on either down depending on how you like the look. If you run you becomes predictable on 3rd down.
2) In case something like a sack happens on 3rd down you will have a chance to regroup and not rush the last play with a desperation play cause you keep the time out.
3) You keep the flexibility to simply call a time out if you don't like the look to change your play or make the D change theirs on either 3rd or 4th down.
4) While the odds of something bad happening on a pass play are higher than a run play they are still very low if your QB plays the situation the way he is suppose to.

Oh the whole it comes down to this. A run on 2nd down increases your chances to win the game then and there but if it fails your chances go down cause now they know you are passing next down and if something happens like a catch and tackle in bounds behind the line or a sack that will be game over likely before the next play comes and it just makes it easier on the defense for those downs. However there is something to be said for looking too far ahead and taking the chance you know you have now is better than worrying about what happens after.

IMO I blame Wilson the most. I think when all is said and done passing on 2nd instead of shoving a lot of your chips in on 2nd down is the smarter move in the macro sense when it comes to percentages.

I think Wilson even as a young QB had to know that he didn't need to try to force it into that spot. The play was designed to go to that spot but there was a lot of traffic there and he had Lynch and Luke Wilson I think (TE) running to the outside on the left. The better play for him in that situation is seeing how the middle was clogged to try to get the ball there and let either Lynch or Wilson make a play or let the ball fall incomplete. That would have been the place to go with the ball clearly but he didn't and instead tried to force it into his first read when it was doubtful.

Honestly looking at that play again.



I think Lynch probably had Hightower beat if Wilson had been more patient and even if not he had a good chance. Worse comes to worse put the ball in a safe spot and hope for a catch or try again. The issue is Wilson telegraphed his intent and stared down his WR the whole way. It was 100% clear where the play was going and made it possible for Butler to make the play he did. In fact Butler is closing in before Wilson enters his throwing motion. Wilson misses it and still follows through. It was Wilson just putting blinders on to the situation very badly.

Exactly.

We see this play how many times each game on Sundays. It's a gimme for great passers. I'm a Wilson fan but he blew it on that play.

*Side Note* on Carr. Guy is a great QB but I think the perception out there is different than reality. His 2016 season was very good but not great by any means. A lil conservative actually but Oak is doing a great job of surrounding him with great players and building on D through the draft. Interesting to see when, if, all parts catch up with each other.

Their a very good team but I'm not sold as a true contender yet.

 

[1960Pats]

Also just to be clear I don't think passing on 2nd and goal with 1 TO was automatically the wrong call though I don't like the play call. I think a pass to the outside in a catch or incomplete play would have been better then the more risky in the teeth of the defense kind of pass play.

Reasons to run it on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) It is the highest % play to score. It is true the Lynch wasn't great at the goal line in obvious run situations that year but you need to believe in your teams best players.
2) You had a time out left. If you don't score you simply stop the clock and can talk about the next 2 plays and think of them carefully.
3) the Odds of something going wrong on 3rd down that might effect your potential chance on 4th down are low as you will have so much time to plan 3rd down and get the play you want.
4) The odds of something bad happening on a run play are lower than a pass play.

Reasons to pass on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) You keep all options open for 3rd down and 4th down. If incomplete and with your time out remaining you can either run or pass on either down depending on how you like the look. If you run you becomes predictable on 3rd down.
2) In case something like a sack happens on 3rd down you will have a chance to regroup and not rush the last play with a desperation play cause you keep the time out.
3) You keep the flexibility to simply call a time out if you don't like the look to change your play or make the D change theirs on either 3rd or 4th down.
4) While the odds of something bad happening on a pass play are higher than a run play they are still very low if your QB plays the situation the way he is suppose to.

Oh the whole it comes down to this. A run on 2nd down increases your chances to win the game then and there but if it fails your chances go down cause now they know you are passing next down and if something happens like a catch and tackle in bounds behind the line or a sack that will be game over likely before the next play comes and it just makes it easier on the defense for those downs. However there is something to be said for looking too far ahead and taking the chance you know you have now is better than worrying about what happens after.

IMO I blame Wilson the most. I think when all is said and done passing on 2nd instead of shoving a lot of your chips in on 2nd down is the smarter move in the macro sense when it comes to percentages.

I think Wilson even as a young QB had to know that he didn't need to try to force it into that spot. The play was designed to go to that spot but there was a lot of traffic there and he had Lynch and Luke Wilson I think (TE) running to the outside on the left. The better play for him in that situation is seeing how the middle was clogged to try to get the ball there and let either Lynch or Wilson make a play or let the ball fall incomplete. That would have been the place to go with the ball clearly but he didn't and instead tried to force it into his first read when it was doubtful.

Honestly looking at that play again.



I think Lynch probably had Hightower beat if Wilson had been more patient and even if not he had a good chance. Worse comes to worse put the ball in a safe spot and hope for a catch or try again. The issue is Wilson telegraphed his intent and stared down his WR the whole way. It was 100% clear where the play was going and made it possible for Butler to make the play he did. In fact Butler is closing in before Wilson enters his throwing motion. Wilson misses it and still follows through. It was Wilson just putting blinders on to the situation very badly.

Yup. Wilson didn't have a clue what happened and asked Carroll as he was walking to the sideline. Carroll told him that Butler jumped the route.

It ended up being the greatest defensive play in NFL history and it was our Butler who did it.

I thought I read that the play Seattle ran was one of their favorites in that situation and that they had been very successful with it in the past.

 

[1960Pats]

Rubbish. SEA would never have scored.

The football God's would not have allowed Pete Carroll to be a 2x SB winning coach.

Not yet anyway.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yup. Wilson didn't have a clue what happened and asked Carroll as he was walking to the sideline. Carroll told him that Butler jumped the route.

It ended up being the greatest defensive play in NFL history and it was our Butler who did it.

I thought I read that the play Seattle ran was one of their favorites in that situation and that they had been very successful with it in the past.

I don't know if it was one of their favorites, but Ernie Adams, God bless him, saw it and thought that it might be a play that they might use.

 

[VectorPrime]

Raiders are becoming a good team just in time to screw over their fan base and leave town. Brutal.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Reasons to pass on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) You keep all options open for 3rd down and 4th down. If incomplete and with your time out remaining you can either run or pass on either down depending on how you like the look. If you run you becomes predictable on 3rd down.
2) In case something like a sack happens on 3rd down you will have a chance to regroup and not rush the last play with a desperation play cause you keep the time out.
3) You keep the flexibility to simply call a time out if you don't like the look to change your play or make the D change theirs on either 3rd or 4th down.
4) While the odds of something bad happening on a pass play are higher than a run play they are still very low if your QB plays the situation the way he is suppose to.

5) The Patriots were in a designed run-stopping defense that they used for the first and only time that season.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Derek, let me put this in terms that are simple enough that even you can understand.

To get his team to the one yard line in a Super Bowl with a chance to win the game, the following things are necessary for an NFL QB:
a) you have to get to an annoying game called the AFC Championship Game
b) you have to beat a very good team and win that game.
c) you have to play a competitive game for four quarters against another very good team in the Super Bowl
d) you have to drive your team down the field and put your team in a position to win the game from the one yard line

When you've done two or more of the above, I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, STFU!

 

[neuronet]

To people talking about how obvious it was that they shouldn't run...My friend turned to me, we were both depressed after the Kearse catch. I said..."F---. It's happening again!" He said "We can get an interception!" I looked at him like he was an idiot, "There is no way they would be stupid enough to throw the ball in this situation." I literally said that.

Thank God I was wrong. About two minutes later we are like all the other Pats fans in those crazy SB videos.

Maybe to the sharper football minds it was a good time to pass, but to us mere mortals, it was an obvious running situation.

 

[Chevy]

Also just to be clear I don't think passing on 2nd and goal with 1 TO was automatically the wrong call though I don't like the play call. I think a pass to the outside in a catch or incomplete play would have been better then the more risky in the teeth of the defense kind of pass play.

Reasons to run it on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) It is the highest % play to score. It is true the Lynch wasn't great at the goal line in obvious run situations that year but you need to believe in your teams best players.
2) You had a time out left. If you don't score you simply stop the clock and can talk about the next 2 plays and think of them carefully.
3) the Odds of something going wrong on 3rd down that might effect your potential chance on 4th down are low as you will have so much time to plan 3rd down and get the play you want.
4) The odds of something bad happening on a run play are lower than a pass play.

Reasons to pass on 2nd & goal at the 1 with 1 TO left.

1) You keep all options open for 3rd down and 4th down. If incomplete and with your time out remaining you can either run or pass on either down depending on how you like the look. If you run you becomes predictable on 3rd down.
2) In case something like a sack happens on 3rd down you will have a chance to regroup and not rush the last play with a desperation play cause you keep the time out.
3) You keep the flexibility to simply call a time out if you don't like the look to change your play or make the D change theirs on either 3rd or 4th down.
4) While the odds of something bad happening on a pass play are higher than a run play they are still very low if your QB plays the situation the way he is suppose to.

Oh the whole it comes down to this. A run on 2nd down increases your chances to win the game then and there but if it fails your chances go down cause now they know you are passing next down and if something happens like a catch and tackle in bounds behind the line or a sack that will be game over likely before the next play comes and it just makes it easier on the defense for those downs. However there is something to be said for looking too far ahead and taking the chance you know you have now is better than worrying about what happens after.

IMO I blame Wilson the most. I think when all is said and done passing on 2nd instead of shoving a lot of your chips in on 2nd down is the smarter move in the macro sense when it comes to percentages.

I think Wilson even as a young QB had to know that he didn't need to try to force it into that spot. The play was designed to go to that spot but there was a lot of traffic there and he had Lynch and Luke Wilson I think (TE) running to the outside on the left. The better play for him in that situation is seeing how the middle was clogged to try to get the ball there and let either Lynch or Wilson make a play or let the ball fall incomplete. That would have been the place to go with the ball clearly but he didn't and instead tried to force it into his first read when it was doubtful.

Honestly looking at that play again.



I think Lynch probably had Hightower beat if Wilson had been more patient and even if not he had a good chance. Worse comes to worse put the ball in a safe spot and hope for a catch or try again. The issue is Wilson telegraphed his intent and stared down his WR the whole way. It was 100% clear where the play was going and made it possible for Butler to make the play he did. In fact Butler is closing in before Wilson enters his throwing motion. Wilson misses it and still follows through. It was Wilson just putting blinders on to the situation very badly.

If Wilson hadn't led the receiver so much then it was six points on the board, or a drop. Putting the pass that far in front was the real mistake.

 

[Wheelman]

I think Lynch probably had Hightower beat if Wilson had been more patient and even if not he had a good chance.

And which game were you watching...

 

[BobDigital]

And which game were you watching...

Look at the play. Lynch had a lot of speed going breaking to the left and Hightower I think would not have beat him to spot. You can disagree if you want. I am just telling you about that one play not the full game.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He won't ever have to worry about it, he'll never get that far.

 

[Wheelman]

To people talking about how obvious it was that they shouldn't run...My friend turned to me, we were both depressed after the Kearse catch. I said..."F---. It's happening again!" He said "We can get an interception!" I looked at him like he was an idiot, "There is no way they would be stupid enough to throw the ball in this situation." I literally said that.

Thank God I was wrong. About two minutes later we are like all the other Pats fans in those crazy SB videos.

Maybe to the sharper football minds it was a good time to pass, but to us mere mortals, it was an obvious running situation.

In the moment, I think most of us fans didn't think it was stupid to run the ball. Carroll however obviously understood in the moment that it was stupid to run the ball, with him saying they're going goal-line or something if I remember correctly. The problem is people getting on Pete Carroll after the game is over. After they had(not that they bothered looking) time to look at the personnel on the field.

My own theory on why people continue to say this is because the hatred and jealousy people have for the Patriots organization. I think if it was just another team in the Superbowl people would have pointed out the personnel quicker. But accepting a Patriots victory was difficult for so many jealous and hateful people and they needed to grasp on to something to attack the Patriots so they could say the Seahawks gifted the Pats the win. The Pats didn't win it. The Seahawks lost it. One yard away from winning Super Bowl XLIX.

Obviously the NYJFL* hates the Patriots most of all so they have the media influence to peddle this notion. Quite a few Seahawks fans have hated Darrell Bevell so it was easy for them to buy into this belief as well. Now you got their fan base and the media peddling this idea in full force. This leads to the casual fans and fans of other teams to start to buy into this, not that they truly looked into this but it's being shoved down the peoples throats and they don't really care anyways, wasn't their team in the XLIX, so they just assume it's true.

This ends up being more damaging for the Seahawks fan base because it's a monumental f*ck up in their eyes and the corrupt media is backing up that idea so it makes letting go of this that much harder for them.

In fact I've never seen anyone on the Seahawks board even mention the Pats personnel used until over 2 years later. That member came to terms with calling a pass wasn't such a bad idea. But that was just one person.