Jimmy G open to an extension

[Gwedd]

Me? I'm just happy he's here to back up Brady in case he's needed. I don't want to see Brady injured, or ill, or not under center. But if it happens, I feel better having Jimmy G to take his place than a lot of other back up QB's out there.

It's a luxury and I'm not at all complaining about it.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Here is Garoppolo's full comment. Seemed very non-commital:



Jimmy Garoppolo doesn’t rule out signing an extension in New England

thanks for the full quote...too lazy to look it up myself.
It's a meaningless statement, like saying, "If they want to throw money at me, I'm willing to listen to how much."

 

[chasa]

I recently read "Belichick and Brady." It gives fascinating insight as to how Brady thinks, especially when he was first drafted into the league.

Nowhere in that book did it say Brady aspired to be "the best backup in the league."

did it happen to mention all of the players that have committed suicide in ways that don't injure the brain in order for scientists to have a chance to inspect them for damage caused by concussions?

Did it happen to talk about how brady was backing up a 5 time superbowl winner, still playing at the top of his game?

How about the part where Brady was all "Listen, i like winning, but i'd rather chase the money for some basement dweller team that allowed twice as many sacks on their qb as the patriots did"

no?

none of that came up?

If I'm competing 7 days a week, I want to compete against Brady. Just going off to some **** team for a huge contract and being handed the job doesn't sound very competitive to me. it sounds like quitting and going the easier route to starting.

 

[BobDigital]

There are 3 options to keep Jimmy

#1 Keep him, let Brady walk/trade him - Not ideal but if they decide to keep Jimmy this is the way to go.

#2 Franchise Jimmy - This i would hate but would not be the worst thing. It really hurts your odds to win a super bowl. Personally though I don't see the point. Either keep JG or Brady after this year. Why delay and hurt your team like this?

#3 JG signs an extension here - This option I hate the most. I don't like what it says about JG that he would decide to be the backup here when he could start elsewhere. To me it says a lot about lack of competitive drive and need to compete on the field. The only way I don't feel that way is if the Pats offer substantially more than anyone else (so maybe 30M) but in that case just do #2.

 

[jboston19]

I read nothing more in to it than he's savvy enough to say the exact right thing. He's not going to demand a trade and create a firestorm of media driven controversy. I long ago realized Bill had a plan for everything, so I'm not going to worry one way or the other.

 

[XLIX]

did it happen to mention all of the players that have committed suicide in ways that don't injure the brain in order for scientists to have a chance to inspect them for damage caused by concussions?

Gimme a break.

There isn't a single NFL backup QB who is happy to be a backup because he would rather be a bench warmer and avoid the health risk. They all want to start.

How about the part where Brady was all "Listen, i like winning, but i'd rather chase the money for some basement dweller team that allowed twice as many sacks on their qb as the patriots did"

no?

none of that came up?

Newsflash: The Patriots *were* cellar dwellers before Brady took over.

If I'm competing 7 days a week, I want to compete against Brady. Just going off to some **** team for a huge contract and being handed the job doesn't sound very competitive to me. it sounds like quitting and going the easier route to starting.

With all due respect, that's moronic. You can't compete terribly well with a clipboard and headset on.

If Garoppolo was as gutless as you want him to be, I wouldn't even want him here in the first place.

 

[zydecochris]

I don't think Tom will last four to five years and here's why: his great pocket presence/elusiveness will start to fade. Along with throwing accuracy and decision making, that's key to his game. He has compensated for slow foot speed (not a scrambler) by being quick, cagey and deceptively elusive in the relatively small pocket area, which buys time for receiver route adjustments. It's a physical skill that will erode quicker than his throwing ability, leaving Tom vulnerable.

You could be right. I haven't done a gigantic amount of research, but according to my best memory many of the best Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks careers were ended by injury (and I'm sure loss of pocket elusiveness with age was a big part of it), not the inability to throw. Some of the best all time quarterbacks:

1. Tom Brady: More effective at a later age than any QB ever, still defeating father time so far.
2. Joe Montana: Missed 1991, most of 1992, and part of 1993 due to injury. Although heather in his last season, the cumulative injuries clearly caused his retirement.
3. John Elway: The exception to the rule, and I hope the model for what the Patriots will do with Brady. The Broncos protected Elway with a strong running game and he retired more due to a loss of athleticism than injury.
4. Dan Marino: He seemed to just fall off a cliff performance wise.
5. Brett Favre: Career was ended by a severe concussion (where he blacked out for 15 sec) from Corey Wootton.
6. Peyton Manning: Career ended by neck injury.
7. Steve Young: Career ended by concussion
8. Troy Aikman: Career ended by concussion.

Most of these great quarterbacks had their careers ended by injury, with three of them from concussions in an era that was much, much less cognizant of the long term danger from concussions. If Brady retires before 4-5 years (which would not surprise me), I think it will either be due to injury or the (IMHO well-founded) fear of the long term cumulative effects of years of mini-concussions.

I am hopeful that the Patriots follow the Broncos / Elway model and build a strong running game around him in his final seasons to help protect him from injury and prolong his career.

 

[Tunescribe]

You could be right. I haven't done a gigantic amount of research, but according to my best memory many of the best Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks careers were ended by injury (and I'm sure loss of pocket elusiveness with age was a big part of it), not the inability to throw. Some of the best all time quarterbacks:

1. Tom Brady: More effective at a later age than any QB ever, still defeating father time so far.
2. Joe Montana: Missed 1991, most of 1992, and part of 1993 due to injury. Although heather in his last season, the cumulative injuries clearly caused his retirement.
3. John Elway: The exception to the rule, and I hope the model for what the Patriots will do with Brady. The Broncos protected Elway with a strong running game and he retired more due to a loss of athleticism than injury.
4. Dan Marino: He seemed to just fall off a cliff performance wise.
5. Brett Favre: Career was ended by a severe concussion (where he blacked out for 15 sec) from Corey Wootton.
6. Peyton Manning: Career ended by neck injury.
7. Steve Young: Career ended by concussion
8. Troy Aikman: Career ended by concussion.

Most of these great quarterbacks had their careers ended by injury, with three of them from concussions in an era that was much, much less cognizant of the long term danger from concussions. If Brady retires before 4-5 years (which would not surprise me), I think it will either be due to injury or the (IMHO well-founded) fear of the long term cumulative effects of years of mini-concussions.

I am hopeful that the Patriots follow the Broncos / Elway model and build a strong running game around him in his final seasons to help protect him from injury and prolong his career.

Brady has avoided injury by and large by masterfully avoiding hits in the pocket. However longer he plays likely depends on his ability to maintain that.

 

[chasa]

Gimme a break.

There isn't a single NFL backup QB who is happy to be a backup because he would rather be a bench warmer and avoid the health risk. They all want to start.

Newsflash: The Patriots *were* cellar dwellers before Brady took over.With all due respect, that's moronic. You can't compete terribly well with a clipboard and headset on.

If Garoppolo was as gutless as you want him to be, I wouldn't even want him here in the first place.

again your talking about apples and oranges here champ.

There isn't a single nfl backup that gets to go against brady in practice every day. There isn't to the best of my knowledge, a backup qb in the league with 2 rings.

To be honest, the fact that you think Jimmy doesn't compete right now because hes "holding a clipboard" might point to the fact that your helmets on a little too tight. BB kept him this offseason specifically because he competes hard. there is a reason teams want him.

again Whats more competitive then trying to beat out Brady for the starter position on the team everyone agrees is the best in the league??

 

[zydecochris]

Brady has avoided injury by and large by masterfully avoiding hits in the pocket. However longer he plays likely depends on his ability to maintain that.

I agree, although I would like to add that his unique stretching and workout regimen is a contributing factor also. I read somewhere that he practicing falling when hit, and he has learned to completely relax his body when hit, as opposed to "fighting it".

 

[XLIX]

again your talking about apples and oranges here champ.

There isn't a single nfl backup that gets to go against brady in practice every day. There isn't to the best of my knowledge, a backup qb in the league with 2 rings.

What does going against Brady have to do with wanting to avoid concussions? You're the one saying Garoppolo should be happy to be a backup to avoid potential brain injury.

To be honest, the fact that you think Jimmy doesn't compete right now because hes "holding a clipboard" might point to the fact that your helmets on a little too tight. BB kept him this offseason specifically because he competes hard. there is a reason teams want him.

I am not going to argue semantics regarding what it means to "compete" but suffice to say that Jimmy Garoppolo is not even *remotely* competing for a starting job in NE in 2017. I don't know what the future holds beyond that, but there is no QB competition for the starting job in NE.

Furthermore, he will never win the starting job so long as Brady is here. Period.

again Whats more competitive then trying to beat out Brady for the starter position on the team everyone agrees is the best in the league??

Uh gee, maybe going to another team and beating him on the field? I'd say that is more competitive than coming back in 2018 to hold Brady's clipboard.

 

[Tunescribe]

I agree, although I would like to add that his unique stretching and workout regimen is a contributing factor also. I read somewhere that he practicing falling when hit, and he has learned to completely relax his body when hit, as opposed to "fighting it".

Right, his durability is legendary. But his ability to avoid being hit/disrupted is what buys time for pass plays to develop and that's a physical skill that likely gets tougher to maintain as time goes on.

 

[Username]

Poor Sam Darnold....

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

The team using the "franchise" tag on Jimmy in the coming years is a very real possibility but an unorthodox use/misuse of the instrument. Has a backup QB ever been franchise tagged before?

 

[Ring 6]

There are 3 options to keep Jimmy

#1 Keep him, let Brady walk/trade him - Not ideal but if they decide to keep Jimmy this is the way to go.

Youvthink the best option is to get rid of the best QB in the league to see if the backup is any good?

#2 Franchise Jimmy - This i would hate but would not be the worst thing. It really hurts your odds to win a super bowl. Personally though I don't see the point. Either keep JG or Brady after this year. Why delay and hurt your team like this?

The odds of winning the SB this way are about a million times higher than #1

#3 JG signs an extension here - This option I hate the most. I don't like what it says about JG that he would decide to be the backup here when he could start elsewhere. To me it says a lot about lack of competitive drive and need to compete on the field. The only way I don't feel that way is if the Pats offer substantially more than anyone else (so maybe 30M) but in that case just do #2.

Learning the backup had a lack of competitive drive is a much better situation than losing the best QB in the NFL.

 

[Ring 6]

The team using the "franchise" tag on Jimmy in the coming years is a very real possibility but an unorthodox use/misuse of the instrument. Has a backup QB ever been franchise tagged before?

Never

 

[Simpelton]

Which would you rather do? move now, and take over the Browns or the Bears Bengals or whatever, or hold your fire, keep your powder dry and take over the Patriots in three years?

 

[Simpelton]

I know the thought it was in the shoes of Jimmy Garoppolo the only team I can think of that I would actually be willing to move from Bill Belichick's organization to we be Houston Texans and they don't seem to be interested

 

[XLIX]

Which would you rather do? move now, and take over the Browns or the Bears Bengals or whatever, or hold your fire, keep your powder dry and take over the Patriots in three years?

Why do the people who think Garoppolo should want to be a 7 year backup always limit his option to New England or the very worst teams in the NFL? If he is a UFA, he can go wherever he damn well pleases. Believe it or not, he won't have to go to Cleveland.

 

[XLIX]

I know the thought it was in the shoes of Jimmy Garoppolo the only team I can think of that I would actually be willing to move from Bill Belichick's organization to we be Houston Texans and they don't seem to be interested

So you'd rather be a backup in NE than a starter anywhere else except Houston?

Gimme a break.