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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.No offense intended to you, or your particular position, but I'm going to use your words to set off a mini rant:
CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP WITH THE "AT ANY TIME" AND "FALL OFF A CLIFF" CRAP?
No age is safe. A QB is always one hit away from retirement, a QB's game can deteriorate at any age, and the whole "He's getting old" thing was already getting old 5 years ago. We're already past the "Nobody but Elway's ever won at 38" and "Nobody but Manning's ever won at 39" stages.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled postings.
Either way, it's BB hedging his bets. He no doubt realizes that Brady could have a sudden and sharp decline and/or get injured at any time. The body doesn't bounce back at 40 the same way it did at 30 or 24. If Brady is still playing like the GOAT after 2017 comes to a close and doesn't want to hang them up, franchise and trade JAG.
I fully believe Tom Brady intends on playing til his mid-40's (whether that's realistic or not, I believe that's his intentions). In the emails leaked during the investigation of Deflategate, he clearly said (paraphrasing), "Manning's career is almost over, I have another 7-8 years left." That was a private conversation, no reason to put any spin on it or use lip service for the press.And if the Pats hold onto Garoppolo, there is a clear, plain as day sign that even Belichick doesn't believe that.
I agree with you on virtually everything, but not on this.No offense intended to you, or your particular position, but I'm going to use your words to set off a mini rant:
CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP WITH THE "AT ANY TIME" AND "FALL OFF A CLIFF" CRAP?
People say this a lot, but I think it is romanticized and exaggerated. Even if his regimen truly is unprecedented, it's not like other old quarterbacks were sitting around eating Cheetos and drinking Mountain Dew all day.Anyway, that's just a long way of saying that I agree with you. We're in uncharted territory here. Brady's fitness regimen is unlike anything we've seen.
I agree with you on virtually everything, but not on this.
Obviously every player is "one hit away", but being older makes him more susceptible. There's nothing controversial about that statement.
Peyton Manning and Brett Favre were also iron men, and both indeed hit a wall -- and fast.Brady's only games missed for injury all came in 2008. Go match that up against Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Ben Roethlisberger and Tony Romo, and then get back to me.
Peyton Manning and Brett Favre were also iron men, and both indeed hit a wall -- and fast.
It's completely true.Not true at all.
Manning had a neck injury, yet stayed in the league for years, with his arm strength, and game, noticeably declining over time.
Favre had a pair of down years, and then bounced back for 2 more good ones in his next 4.
It's completely true.
I wonder how far it got? This is just for inquiring minds. Was it, "We'll give you #12 and #53 for Jimmy. "Not interested, need more." or was it, "We love Jimmy, we have a large offer we can make for you, any interest?" "Not interested." Subtle difference, but one says that the Pats would trade him for a huge bounty, while the other says they're not trading him period.
Well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't agree with your depiction. We are just going to go round and round in circles.No, it's ********.
Manning's decline started way the hell back in 2010. He modified his game after he returned from surgery after missing the entire 2011 season, limiting the impact of his loss of arm strength, but the decline continued until it was something he could no longer overcome.
Favre had down years in 2005 and 2006. He had a bounce back year in 2007. He started strong in 2008, only to get injured and struggle mightily in the second half of the season. He had a bounce back year in 2009, and then limped to the finish in 2010.
Well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't agree with your depiction. We are just going to go round and round in circles.
I'll finish with this. Of the pool of all players in NFL history, very few have remained very productive into their 40's. It's almost unprecedented. The burden of proof is isn't on us to prove that Brady won't hit a wall -- it's on those that he won't.
(Again, all of this coming from someone who wants to trade Jimmy G and commit to Brady for the next few years.)
Your Manning "decline period" includes one of the most prolific QB seasons in NFL history. Come on. Trivializing that as him "altering his game" is hyperbole.It's really not a matter of you disagreeing. You're just wrong with the two guys you picked, and Manning's blatantly obvious. The guy's arm decline had been talked about since 2010, he missed the entire 2011 season because of the needed surgery, and he walked off the field a SB winner after the 2015 season. That's a 6 year "wall".
And you apparently didn't actually read what I'd originally posted, since you're rehashing the same arguments we've been reading for 5 years.
Your Manning "decline period" includes one of the most prolific QB seasons in NFL history. Come on. Trivializing that as him "altering his game" is hyperbole.
Fair point.In the emails leaked during the investigation of Deflategate, he clearly said (paraphrasing), "Manning's career is almost over, I have another 7-8 years left." That was a private conversation, no reason to put any spin on it or use lip service for the press.