Sean Payton says Saints won't sign Malcolm Butler to an offer sheet

[primetime]

He should play at the tender this year if he isn't going to sign long-term, but I'd still like to see him here and I think they'll need to shell out Gilmore money to keep him. I have no problem with that, for what it's worth. The only worry is if it prevents them from franchising Jimmy next year, otherwise I don't think they're in any sort of salary cap squeeze even fitting Butler in there.

 

[RobertWeathers]

In other words, we might end up with the 32nd pick back, or some other stuff, or Butler will be playing next year in NE, and playing with his hair on fire so he can cash in.

Assuming another team doesn't sign him.

I also expect he'll get a new agent this year.

Yea he needs to get a heavy hitter ...a Bus Cook/Condon - type.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

By signing Butler, the Saints give up whatever leverage they have. They can't discuss a trade with the Patriots until he signs his Tender, so that's when any real discussions would begin.

I'm not sure what's new here other than a chance to have another Butler thread.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

Why the hell would he resign here next year when the Pats gave his potential $$$$ to another player???

Was not his $$$ that Gilmore got. His $$$ won't be available for him until he goes out and shows he can play one more top flight year...then he could get top $$$

For now if he were smart he would have agreed to an extension, that would factor in getting paid very good money a year before he is a FA.
If he is pissed he should complain to the Union who agreed to this system.

 

[Spiral]

This isn't news, and it doesn't mean the Saints won't end up with him. As others have alluded, the Saints can't sign him to an offer sheet unless they're willing to give up #11, which they clearly aren't. It would be a sign-and-trade: the Patriots would sign him to a contract agreed to by Butler and the Saints, then they would trade him to the Saints. This was always the scenario.

 

[mosslost]

Time for the Patriots to save another career. Keep him for this season, let him be the CB2 to the better and younger CB (Gilmore) and continue to play on a team that allows him to look like a top 10 player at his position. Then he can cash in with some bottom of the barrel team that will be willing to pay him top CB money. Of course, outside of NE he'll suck, but at least he'll have his money + 3 rings.

"3" yes. Nice.

 

[neuronet]

I'm not sure what's new here other than a chance to have another Butler thread.

This isn't news

In my book, Payton saying something about potential Butler trade equals news. People have been speculating that they would give us their 11 pick. We knew it was unlikely, now we know it won't happen. Most likely, Butler will sign the tender or hold out.

 

[ALP]

for everyone asking why we have a better chance to sign him next year...its precisely because he is Unrestricted free agent, and we don't account for 1 year of the contract at an RFA tender price

so we would be willing to give his requested 10-12M/yr, which we aren't willing to do this year

 

[1960Pats]

I'm beginning to believe that Butler really is pissed that neither the Pats or anyone else isn't willing to give him top of the market CB Market. If that's true than he's REALLY getting some bad advice. Mayo has a great take on this on his ex-Pats podcast.

Basically he would like to tell him, to grow up. Sign the tender. Get some insurance to cover your injury risk this season. Play the year like mad, and then go out and break the bank.

According to Jerad, Bultler is acting like he's ENTITLED the big money, and he really isn't. That is NOT the deal the players made. In fact the RFA rules are actually an improvement for the players over the past CBA, in that the tenders are higher and it does allow at least for the possibility of some movement. It took Hightower 5 years to get to FA, what is Butler *****ing about after just 3

I think Butler is a great story, and he's a great player. He's the archetype Patriot player. He's tough, a great tackler, dependable, hardworking and above all skilled at playing his position. BUT he is also wrong in this situation. He isn't wrong to want the money. He's wrong about blaming the Pats for his situation. He's wrong about caring that Gilmore got the money that he wanted. Gilmore is another guy who waited 5 years for he shot at the market. It was not an apples to apples situation.

Like most of the things written about Butler here, that is all based off of pure conjecture. There aren't many people who know what's actually going on or how Butler feels about Gilmore or anything else, and none of those people post here.

Butler and his agent have another few weeks before they have to sign the offer. There's no harm in shopping around until then. Since the kid has been here he hasn't shown me anything to think that he's a problem so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Jerod Mayo was a top pick and got paid right from the start. If what's claimed is true then Mayo has no right to criticize a man who's played as well or better than Mayo and has been on the bottom of the pay scale from the beginning.

 

[IllegalContact]

Looks like we have a good secondary for 2017

Butler
Gilmore
Mccourty
Chung
Rowe
Jones
Jones
Harmon

Plus 2

 

[1960Pats]

Yea he needs to get a heavy hitter ...a Bus Cook/Condon - type.

What has his agent done wrong? He's checking out the market for his client and if nothing happens he'll sign here. I don't see the big deal.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Like most of the things written about Butler here, that is all based off of pure conjecture. There aren't many people who know what's actually going on or how Butler feels about Gilmore or anything else, and none of those people post here.

Butler and his agent have another few weeks before they have to sign the offer. There's no harm in shopping around until then. Since the kid has been here he hasn't shown me anything to think that he's a problem so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Jerod Mayo was a top pick and got paid right from the start. If what's claimed is true then Mayo has no right to criticize a man who's played as well or better than Mayo and has been on the bottom of the pay scale from the beginning.

You are correct it is speculation, but several sources have said that he is essentially trying to get UFA money when he is not a UFA. For two reasons, he should be willing to take a big discount if he wants to cash in right now. First, teams don't view the tender year of 2016 as a year they will just rip up and start from scratch; this is just precedent. Second, teams will need to trade for him, and so giving up assets would only make sense if they were going to get a bargain. Otherwise, they would just wait until UFA and not need to worry about that.

No, this is not confirmed, as really nothing is. But it does appear from the outside that Butler's agent does not have realistic expectations. Players typically take pretty deep discounts for a long-term extension before they hit UFA. See the Chris Harris deal or the Rob Gronkowski deal. His asking price, combined with the compensation the Patriots would demand, is making this a non-starter. It would have been a better strategy to set his price low and then let teams compete to set his real market value as a RFA.

 

[moosekill]

It just means they are going to trade for him if they want him. If he signs all options are on the table.

 

[moosekill]

I can't imagine him not signing now, especially if he has agreed upon a contract with them in principle. Then the interesting stuff will begin.

 

[borisman]

Wow, sorry all, I truly misread Howe's tweet. Disregard. Thanks, Marqui.

You should probably edit your post before too many replies lol

 

[borisman]

This isn't news, and it doesn't mean the Saints won't end up with him. As others have alluded, the Saints can't sign him to an offer sheet unless they're willing to give up #11, which they clearly aren't. It would be a sign-and-trade: the Patriots would sign him to a contract agreed to by Butler and the Saints, then they would trade him to the Saints. This was always the scenario.

I think it's more like (if Saints can meet Pats trade demands and if they have a verbal agreement with Butler) Butler signs tender with Pats. Pats deal him to Saints. Saints sign him to an extension/new deal. I don't think it'll work with a sign and trade.

 

[Snooky97]

I think this is good news. BB will not get ripped off. I think we are going to end up with a very potent secondary and up front too! We may even be able to sign butler to a longer term deal as well.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm beginning to believe that Butler really is pissed that neither the Pats or anyone else isn't willing to give him top of the market CB Market. If that's true than he's REALLY getting some bad advice. Mayo has a great take on this on his ex-Pats podcast.

Basically he would like to tell him, to grow up. Sign the tender. Get some insurance to cover your injury risk this season. Play the year like mad, and then go out and break the bank.

According to Jerad, Bultler is acting like he's ENTITLED the big money, and he really isn't. That is NOT the deal the players made. In fact the RFA rules are actually an improvement for the players over the past CBA, in that the tenders are higher and it does allow at least for the possibility of some movement. It took Hightower 5 years to get to FA, what is Butler *****ing about after just 3

I think Butler is a great story, and he's a great player. He's the archetype Patriot player. He's tough, a great tackler, dependable, hardworking and above all skilled at playing his position. BUT he is also wrong in this situation. He isn't wrong to want the money. He's wrong about blaming the Pats for his situation. He's wrong about caring that Gilmore got the money that he wanted. Gilmore is another guy who waited 5 years for he shot at the market. It was not an apples to apples situation.

Frankly we have no idea if butler is pissed off or completely understands the situation and is fine with it.

It's kind of wrong to call him wrong when you attribute the attitude to him that you are calling wrong.

He is pursuing his options and there is no evidence he is ignorant, spoiled or unhappy.

 

[Ring 6]

Why the hell would he resign here next year when the Pats gave his potential $$$$ to another player???

If they give him his value why would he care who else got paid.

 

[Stumpy]

Probably the biggest problem is that he hasn't signed his tender yet. If he wants to sit out an entire year and hold out, right in the middle of his prime, then let him.

What is our history with players holding out? I don't seem to remember anybody who chose to sit and hold out.