Tom Brady and the 4 Year Plan

[bruce_w]

My ignore list may end up getting full if I keep in seeing garbage like this.

Adios dip sh.t.

You are too sensitive Ivan. Lighten up you silly SOB.

 

[CutiePie]

george blanda played until he was 48

considering the way brady eats and takes care of his body and how he just keeps getting better with age

i think he surely takes that record down

 

[deroc5050]

I have been skimming through the forums but there isn't really much else to say until the draft comes and goes. New England might have over 20 million in cap space that could roll over into next season? If thats possible then it would be technically possible to franchise JG in 2018. I can't wait for the draft. I honestly don't think the Patriots are trading JG like a lot of people seem to think.

 

[deroc5050]

george blanda played until he was 48

considering the way he eats and takes care of his body and how he just keeps getting better with age

i think he surely takes that record down

There is 0 chance Brady is playing until he is 48.. even if he could he wouldn't. Unless he wants to leave his rich beautiful wife. She is already asking him to hang'em up.

 

[mosslost]

Anyone watching tapes from early Brady to now should notice glaring differences in the speed of the game. Watch for the quickness of play after play and the offense as a whole. I am not talking about between snaps. Now many QB's have played an entire career and not had near that. This is what Brady is struggling to keep. They had a tough time with the short stuff the past few years. Unbelievably Brady worked his ass off on it and also worked on his deep ball and actually became a better QB I think. How long can he tread water before time pulls him under? 4 years? I don't think so

tread water? What in the fack have you been watching..

 

[mosslost]

I agree with OP points... One thing though, a little optimistic about winning 5 Super Bowls in a row... Let's not have unrealistic high expectations for the guy. He could be the best QB for this team by far, play 4 more seasons, and not win any more Super Bowls. Maybe he wins one or two more, who knows. Brady has been absolutely awesome, best in the business for last 10 years... and has won 2 and lost 2, and he has achieved at a very high level.

If he plays the next 4 years, they go 2 and 2 in the AFCCG and 1 and 1 in Super Bowls I would consider it outstanding achievement.

 

[Thelonious]

As we get older. we decline, so it seems to me, in increments. One day you realize you just can't do something anymore. You may well feel the same overall, but you just can't do that thing. There's a mountain a mile from my house: I just can't climb it any more. Or you have some kind of setback, a minor injury, say, and you just don't quite come back from it all the way, as you have all your life until then. You're getting older. There's nothing wrong with it, and, really, there's nothing wrong with others taking note of it, particularly if your life and theirs are intertwined somehow.

When I hit 45, I was doing tree work, which is pretty strenuous, and month by month, it seemed, everything was just getting harder. That's how it goes. Fortunately, I had a degree and was able to go into teaching, which is a hard job too (and fun in its own way as well!), but you're not gonna be climbing trees or throwing logs around in the classroom, unless you're REALLY bad at your new job.

It's going to happen to Brady too, and nobody, certainly not Brady, who's not wired to concede ANYTHING, will be much of an authority on just when the losses in ability will be too much to overcome.

It's been a great ride. I think he's a great guy AND a great qb, but the end of the qb part is coming. It just is.

I'd keep Garrapolo around. I think he might be pretty good.

(Nope, I'm not Kellerman, and I can't stand him either.)

 

[The_Riddler]

I love the GOAT as much as anyone. What this man has done for our franchise, city and region Is absolute Legend. He is and will always be the Greatest to ever lace up NFL cleats.

With this said, I think we will RUE the day that we ever traded Jimmy G. We would Rue the day. Jimmy is the future and I don't want to trade him for anything. I don't care what is offered.

First of all we all know Tommy is motivated to play this game, but what HAS and will always motivate Tommy is someone threatening to take his Job. Never underestimate this. Tommy knows there's a Stud breathing down his neck and that threat alone will keep a fire lit in #12 for as long as his body will allow him to compete.

Do whatever you can to keep Jimmy a Patriot...

 

[heavyde050]

I love the GOAT as much as anyone. What this man has done for our franchise, city and region Is absolute Legend. He is and will always be the Greatest to ever lace up NFL cleats.

With this said, I think we will RUE the day that we ever traded Jimmy G. We would Rue the day. Jimmy is the future and I don't want to trade him for anything. I don't care what is offered.

First of all we all know Tommy is motivated to play this game, but what HAS and will always motivate Tommy is someone threatening to take his Job. Never underestimate this. Tommy knows there's a Stud breathing down his neck and that threat alone will keep a fire lit in #12 for as long as his body will allow him to compete.

Do whatever you can to keep Jimmy a Patriot...

Honest question about Jimmy's value. I am not trying to start anything as I really don't know the answer.
What are the odds that Jimmy G ever wins a SB as the starting QB of the Pats?
I am not sure the answer, but I would put them low enough that Jimmy would definitely have a price. His price would definitely be at least one first rounder and hopefully picks over multiple years.
I guess I just don't see Jimmy's future being anything other than solid starting QB.
I wish I had the same confidence of some other fans on this board that truly see Jimmy as Steve Young/Aaron Rodgers and winning multiple SBs with the Pats (as a starter).

 

[New England Pride]

Anyone watching tapes from early Brady to now should notice glaring differences in the speed of the game. Watch for the quickness of play after play and the offense as a whole. I am not talking about between snaps. Now many QB's have played an entire career and not had near that. This is what Brady is struggling to keep. They had a tough time with the short stuff the past few years. Unbelievably Brady worked his ass off on it and also worked on his deep ball and actually became a better QB I think. How long can he tread water before time pulls him under? 4 years? I don't think so

The speed of his game or the speed of the NFL game? This post is a little confusing to me. What skill do you feel like Brady is losing in his older years?

 

[New England Pride]

I love the GOAT as much as anyone. What this man has done for our franchise, city and region Is absolute Legend. He is and will always be the Greatest to ever lace up NFL cleats.

With this said, I think we will RUE the day that we ever traded Jimmy G. We would Rue the day. Jimmy is the future and I don't want to trade him for anything. I don't care what is offered.

First of all we all know Tommy is motivated to play this game, but what HAS and will always motivate Tommy is someone threatening to take his Job. Never underestimate this. Tommy knows there's a Stud breathing down his neck and that threat alone will keep a fire lit in #12 for as long as his body will allow him to compete.

Do whatever you can to keep Jimmy a Patriot...

I think it's time to draft the next stud to breath hot flame down his neck. The CBA won't allow more than one more season of that.

 

[Simpelton]

Honest question about Jimmy's value. I am not trying to start anything as I really don't know the answer.
What are the odds that Jimmy G ever wins a SB as the starting QB of the Pats?
I am not sure the answer, but I would put them low enough that Jimmy would definitely have a price. His price would definitely be at least one first rounder and hopefully picks over multiple years.
I guess I just don't see Jimmy's future being anything other than solid starting QB.
I wish I had the same confidence of some other fans on this board that truly see Jimmy as Steve Young/Aaron Rodgers and winning multiple SBs with the Pats (as a starter).

If Jimmy is just above average we ought to be a leader to put enough talent around him to give him a shot, I'd say, not to compare skillets but simply talent level, while he is no Brady, Garoppolo is probably capable of developing to match a quarterback like Roethlisberger or Ryan, and Roethlisberger has a ring and Ryan has the talent to win one

 

[heavyde050]

If Jimmy is just above average we ought to be a leader to put enough talent around him to give him a shot, I'd say, not to compare skillets but simply talent level, while he is no Brady, Garoppolo is probably capable of developing to match a quarterback like Roethlisberger or Ryan, and Roethlisberger has a ring and Ryan has the talent to win one

Thanks for input. I would be ecstatic if Jimmy developed into either Big Ben or Ryan. One is probably a Hall-of-Famer and the other may have shot.

 

[Mack Herron]

4 year plan?

 

[mosslost]

As we get older. we decline, so it seems to me, in increments. One day you realize you just can't do something anymore. You may well feel the same overall, but you just can't do that thing. There's a mountain a mile from my house: I just can't climb it any more. Or you have some kind of setback, a minor injury, say, and you just don't quite come back from it all the way, as you have all your life until then. You're getting older. There's nothing wrong with it, and, really, there's nothing wrong with others taking note of it, particularly if your life and theirs are intertwined somehow.

When I hit 45, I was doing tree work, which is pretty strenuous, and month by month, it seemed, everything was just getting harder. That's how it goes. Fortunately, I had a degree and was able to go into teaching, which is a hard job too (and fun in its own way as well!), but you're not gonna be climbing trees or throwing logs around in the classroom, unless you're REALLY bad at your new job.

It's going to happen to Brady too, and nobody, certainly not Brady, who's not wired to concede ANYTHING, will be much of an authority on just when the losses in ability will be too much to overcome.

It's been a great ride. I think he's a great guy AND a great qb, but the end of the qb part is coming. It just is.

I'd keep Garrapolo around. I think he might be pretty good.

(Nope, I'm not Kellerman, and I can't stand him either.)

Can't keep Garapollo long enough though. It's tough call.

 

[mosslost]

"Ivan The Terrible". It has nothing to do with the release of the ball. It is the process of getting to it. Can you recall what happened at the beginning of that season? I am pretty sure that is when he started working with Tom House. House is a well known pitching coach. Next year will be 4 years removed from that. Now try not to get all goofy over this stuff ok?

Bruce you are f'd in the head

 

[mosslost]

Sorry to tell you that he is behind his own backup and getting farther behind every day.

F Head

 

[mosslost]

My ignore list may end up getting full if I keep in seeing garbage like this.

Adios dip sh.t.

Don't ignore him. He is an ass.

 

[Thelonious]

Can't keep Garapollo long enough though. It's tough call.

That's right. I hesitate to say so, but I suspect that a year on his rookie contract and a year on franchise (expensive, I know) will probably do it. It's a tough game, and Belichick is a tough-minded guy.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

He was the master of time, he was the victim of time.
He would play until he is 932 like quarterback of old before the Flood of Noah
He would be injured the first play of the 2017 season...

Etc.

"Considering how he eats and takes care of his body."

Come on man he takes an incredible interest in his longevity, but it's not like all the other QBs in the league were scarfing down lard fries with cheese and became unable to move under their own power in the off-season, except that really fat backup the Gintz had in the 2000ies Jared Lorenzen (By the way, he has been extending his career in the arena league...)


We're drinking our own Kool-Aid here. We have no real evidence (other than past performance to date) that his "science of never getting old" works past his expiration date. He might just not have reached his expiration date. Let me soften that: He sure doesn't play that way at 40 without his present regimen. That doesn't guarantee that he plays that way at 43, and it doesn't rule out the very unlikely George Blanda case.

It is a tough call, deciding what to do now, without evidence of decline. I don't think anything happens for 3 years. I don't have any idea what BB thinks, which matters much more.

We just can't solve this by any logical argument... I see very smart people spinning scenarios both ways...

Look, it will be a huge shock when Brady departs. It'll also be "well it's not like we didn't see it coming." Beyond that, unless he can play say 20-30 more years or I get hit by a bus or something, I'll have to come to terms with Brady not being the NE quarterback. I'll also likely have to see him play for somebody else. (This is derived from the fact that "I'll play until I suck" will not jibe with BB's evaluation of when it's time to let go... wish it wouldn't end a little ugly, but it seems destined to).