What do you want the Pats to do with Butler?

[Froob]

he is part of the Cooks deal.

How can he be if the Saints don't even know if they can meet his demands?

 

[Froob]

Also, I say try to sign him long term, if not play him out this year and if he leaves so be it.

 

[zoostation]

Tomorrows thread. Do you think New Orleans will sign Malcolm Butler and does he like jambalaya?

yes yes
yes no
no yes
no no

 

[fair catch fryar]

I agree with everything here. I have no idea why this poll has "Trade Butler for the #11 pick" *and* "Trade Butler for the #32 pick". I know both are possibilities, but if this question is about what we want, why on earth would we ever prefer the Pats to trade for a worse pick? Even though that's actually what might happen.

This defense, with Butler and Gilmore as the starting CBs, could be phenomenal. Without him, they should be good - good enough to certainly compete for a Super Bowl championship, seeing as though they should be really not substantially worse than last year's defense.

Agreed. With Butler, the current core of the secondary and possible draft picks there is a potential for absolute lockdown on other team's receivers, which we all know makes the pass rush that much more effective, but hey, in BB we trust.

 

[Soliel]

I doubt that he leaves this year but i voted for the eleventh pick. The reason for the vote is because i see a potential here for a negative situation. Money based locker room cancer

 

[varjao]

Trade for #32 because #11 is not going to happen, forget it.

I love Butler and in my opinion he is a top CB in the league, but for whatever reasons, BB made his decision on Gilmore and as good as it is to have two top CB1, long term you're going to pay one guy CB1 money to cover the WR2 of the other team, so it's not sustainable in the long term, so I'd rather trade him while he warrants a #1 pick and get something in return before he walks away because I don't think BB is going to pay 2 CB in the 12+ Million figure. But there's one big counterpoint to this argument that is the fact that we have a stacked team and a big chance to repeat, so if this was a normal year or a rebuilding year this above could make the most sense but we may role the dice and try to squeeze the most out of our chances to win #6.

Also, this situation Butler is in now doesn't work in any working environment, the guy busted his ass off for 3 years and then BB goes and sign an expensive outsider while he may just get an moderate salary bump? I know the whole thing about the timing and the fact he is not a UFA but whatever, the guy is already making noise, it's a difficult situation to manage.

 

[Geezer Butler]

I'd like to see him sign the tender and play here obviously, which to me is looking like more and more of a possibility.

My reasoning for this being them walking away from that meeting yesterday without a deal in place to present to the Patriots. This says too things to me, the Butler camp is still looking for top corner money on a long term deal and the Saints don't have the cap space to do that right now.

So, at this point is signing an offer sheet for one year with the Saints really in Butlers best interest? I don't think it is. He will be much better off signing the tender here, playing his ass off and maybe winning another ring then hitting the open market and REALLY hitting the mother lode in free agency. Oh, by the way, Butler should get a real agent to negotiate his UFA year because this one sure isn't doing him any favors.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Keep him under the RFA tag, trade Jimmy G for day 1-2 pick(s), draft one of the number of promising CBs high to groom, play out 2017 with a defensive backfield of Gilmore, Butler, McCourty, etc.

And we have the winner.

 

[IllegalContact]

I am ambivalent.......we win regardless of whether we have butler or the draft pick in his place

dreft picks are overrated

 

[jboston19]

I'm hoping he stays here at least next season. I'd love him to sign an extension but I'm sure he'll be allowed to market himself as a pure ufa next year.

This team is loaded and having two top notch corners would be awesome. It's hard to win championships and having both would make it that much more possible.

He's more valuable to the team than having even our own first back, let alone that it'd be just the saints second. Having him may allow us to keep Rowe's snaps below 40% and give Philly only a 4th instead of 3rd, too.

 

[XLIX]

According to some reports, the horse is pretty much out of the barn on this one. What I want simply isn't going to happen, but my preference is certainly to sign him here long term.

 

[Nunchucks]

Patriots have so much cap space, WTF!!! I don't see what they are going to spend it on, unless it is to keep two starting QBs, but even then, they would have enough cap space to keep him long term.

 

[IllegalContact]

Patriots have so much cap space, WTF!!! I don't see what they are going to spend it on, unless it is to keep two starting QBs, but even then, they would have enough cap space to keep him long term.

gotta be in good position for when the June 1 cuts come....cap space is worth more than draft picks

 

[XLIX]

Money does not seem to be the issue, an unseasoned agent seems to be the major stumbling block..

By all accounts, money *is* the issue. He wants more than the Patriots offer of 4/$28 - and he is going to get it. He had to take a 1 year chance on his performance and his health, and it paid off.

My thought is to have him sign the tender, with the understanding that the Pats will then negotiated a long term deal commencing with the 2018 season..

This would be stupid. The Patriots will do what is in the Patriots' best interest. Having an "understanding that we will negotiate in another year" would be idiotic.

 

[Nunchucks]

gotta be in good position for when the June 1 cuts come....cap space is worth more than draft picks

lol, June 1st cap causalities never sign for a lot of money. There are only so many roster spots.

 

[Geezer Butler]

Patriots have so much cap space, WTF!!! I don't see what they are going to spend it on, unless it is to keep two starting QBs, but even then, they would have enough cap space to keep him long term.

Sure, this year they do. But what happens down the road when you have two corners making top corner money on the same roster? I've never seen this team structure the team that way financially and I really don't expect they will start doing it now. Pay him 3.9 this year, reap the harvest for the one year with a sick backfield while developing a younger guy and move on.

 

[Nunchucks]

Sure, this year they do. But what happens down the road when you have two corners making top corner money on the same roster? I've never seen this team structure the team that way financially and I really don't expect they will start doing it now. Pay him 3.9 this year, reap the harvest for the one year with a sick backfield while developing a younger guy and move on.

You are living in the past, the Patriots have something 30 million in cap space. In past years, the Patriots have gone into the draft with 5 million in cap space.

 

[IllegalContact]

lol, June 1st cap causalities never sign for a lot of money. There are only so many roster spots.

well.....then you start accelerating some of the contracts already here and carry the space over to future years

 

[Geezer Butler]

You are living in the past, the Patriots have something 30 million in cap space. In past years, the Patriots have gone into the draft with 5 million in cap space.

THIS YEAR they do. Long term deals last long term. The Patriots will not pay two cornerbacks top money, will never happen under Belichick's watch. Gilmore signing here long term basically was Bill deciding to move on from Butler.

 

[Kontradiction]

And we have the winner.

I left off an important part at the end of the post. It's since been edited.