Cleveland fans don't value JAG

[FoxboroFlyer]

It's so difficult to find a good QB, if TB12 were retiring after this year I wouldn't trade him for 1.1. I just wouldn't. What would you trade him for if this were Brady's last year? Think about it that way. 1.1 and 1.12? I may have to do that but without a QB, you have nothing.

LOL, ask Houston and Oakland.

Add Pittsburgh to that list.
It took years for them in between Bradshaw and ben

 

[IllegalContact]

The Cleveland front office looks at Jimmy G and sees a high chance at a franchise QB for 10-15 years who will play at a good level (no certainly but a better than fair shot).

Looking at the Cleveland forum most fans laugh at the idea of trading a first round pick at all.

Garoppolo Watch: March Edition

Many of them seem happy to pick from a crop of QBs this year that stink or go with Kessler. The idea of giving up the #12 seems too high a price for many and 2 is near laughable to them.

My question is this: What the heck are many of these fans thinking? Yes draft picks are great and valuable. Yes football is a team sport and throwing away everything else to get a QB gets you no where. Yes, maybe JAG turns out not to be that good. All possible and fair points.

Here is the truth. Picks hit and miss. The QBs this year are not good no matter how much you try to talk yourself into them. Kessler is not your answer.

In fact the worst thing they can do is draft a QB this year. If I was a cleveland fan I would be pounding the table not to do it. If drafting is the way you want to get your QB accept you will be bad this year and bet big on next year.

I just was shocked at the disconnect here. It is like they assume that Kessler will somehow magically turn out to be decent (he won't) or this years QBs hold reasonable promise (they don't).

I know ultimately the Browns front office makes the call but these fans need to get their heads on straight. The only thing I can assume is it has been so long since they have had decent QB play they have no idea what it looks like anymore.

its easy .... none of them are coach/front office guy whose jobs will be likely taken away during the struggles to develop their own prospect

 

[BobDigital]

First you are talking like garappolo is to Kessler like Brady is to Ryan leaf.
They aren't that different.

We don't know for sure. All I said is Kessler is not the answer and he is not. Kessler has never won an NFL game. He had 8 starts and went 0-8. That should tell you all you need to know about him. You can point out he went 6 TDs 2 Ints with a 95 QB rating. Okay. Pretty stat line. You can accomplish that as a game manager. Against the Dolphins he lead his team to 17 offensive points over 4 quarters. JAG tore that same D apart and scored more in half the time.

Kessler's record.
Miami: 17 offensive points.
Wash: got 20 points against (one on a drive that started 12 yards from the GL)
Pats: Had a nice drive but the Pats slept walked on that one as we all remember.
Tenn: scored 13 points till the last 5 minutes and lead 2 garbage TDs drives.
Cinci: Got hurt again.
Dal: Put up 10 points (but a 104 QB rating!)
Balt: Put up 7 points (but 92 QB rating!)
Pitt: Didn't play much but did nothing
SD: Barely played.

This is not the what a promising QB does. He showed here that a team can protect him and help him put up decent stats. But they had him take no risk he couldn't score and couldn't win a single game.

Jimmy played in 2 games and won both. He took them over at times. To say he showed as much as JAG is just not true. They are certainly not the same. JAG proved way more in less time. Still not a sure thing but he showed promise and like i said. Kessler showed none.

Second let's say Brady retires down the road and we have a terrible year and have no QB and only win a game or 2. Is the priority thing on your mind trading for someone else's backup who played 6 quarters in 3 years after coming into the league from a lesser competition schedule?
We seem to have gotten carried away with the idea that other teams see the potential that we think Jimmy g has but hadn't shown yet in any extended period of time and the best possible upside we see is what they will pay for.

Giving up a 1 on the hope that this guy who has been mostly sitting the bench for 3 years could turn out to be great is a gamble. More than that may just be dumb.

It depends on the situation. You didn't give me enough details and you were too vague. Instead of answering that I will answer the more direct "what would I want the Browns to do if I was a Browns fan?". This works better as it is not theoretical and I have a lot more information.

If I were a Browns fan I would want the Browns to do 1 of 3 things. #1 Trade for Romo, #2 Trade for JG or #3 punt on QB and go all in for a much more promising group next year and for now improve the team as much as possible in other spots. That would be my mind set. You could do both Romo and draft a QB next year but JAG makes it harder to draft a guy next year. It is slightly more risky but has more upside than the Romo option. However I think Romo doesn't want to go to CLE and his team owner will honor that so that option is probably out.

If I am the Browns front office looking at JG I do honestly like what I see and think he has a decent chance to be pretty good instantly. However no way I give up a 1st in 2018 cause I need it. If things go very wrong with JG I need to have a high first that year cause that class has good QBs and I feel I have a good chance to hit there. So that is instantly off the table. Also I don't give up the #1 Overall this year. Garrett is nearly a sure thing and I want him on my team.

However I do believe in the QB so I would roll the dice and take a shot on him. I was convinced in what I saw in the 6 quarters he played he belongs starting in this league and can change my franchise and I know if he hits I save a first rounder next year which I would need to use on a QB anyway so it is an asset I would need to gamble as is.

I would offer the Pats as my best offer #12 & #53 this year and the Titans second next year. It is a lot to give up but I can part with those seconds and not feel too bad. If It works you look like a genius cause you gave up so little for a franchise QB. If not yes it hurts but the #12 isn't overly valuable this year TBH and you didn't cripple yourself to extend for him.

If the Pats don't take the offer I use those picks to help build my team and bet everything on the 2018 QB class. However that is 1 shot and I know if I miss I am probably kicked out of town. My final thinking in going for the JAG trade is 2 shots are better than 1.

 

[varjao]

Well F them, doesn't matter who they draft or trade for, they aren't winning s.hit em Cleveland

 

[bruce_w]

 

[bruce_w]

How many high draft picks has Cleveland had in the last say 3-4 years? Those picks helped them win 1 game last year.

 

[IllegalContact]

I hope Jimmy never gets traded.......so we can do this forever

 

[sb1]

its easy .... none of them are coach/front office guy whose jobs will be likely taken away during the struggles to develop their own prospect

Or fired if they trade a high pick for JG and then watch him flame out with the Browns and quickly out of football. Could happen.

 

[ALP]

Even w the apprehension how they're ok w possibly the next manziel but now Brady's apprentice is beyond me

 

[brdmaverick]

rewatch those 6 quarters..Jimmy G is the real deal

Right, but that's also the problem (small sample size).

There were games in 2008 in which Matt Cassel looked not just serviceable but Pro Bowl worthy (such as at MIA and vs NYJ).

We all know Cassel didn't become someone else's franchise quarterback.

 

[IllegalContact]

Or fired if they trade a high pick for JG and then watch him flame out with the Browns and quickly out of football. Could happen.

it is also possible that Brady sucks next year......could happen

 

[IllegalContact]

Right, but that's also the problem (small sample size).

There were games in 2008 in which Matt Cassel looked not just serviceable but Pro Bowl worthy (such as at MIA and vs NYJ).

We all know Cassel didn't become someone else's franchise quarterback.

cassell never looked like garoppolo......for every good game there was an incredibly bad one

anyone who even attempts to assert that cassell had anywhere near the talent and mechanics of garoppolo is an idiot

 

[Richard Camembert]

I mean, CLE would be paying for one cheap year of JG, with no guarantee they can sign him long term. If he didn't want to be in CLE, they'd have to tag him, then they'd have a disgruntled QB eating up 20M or whatever the tag will be next year. So CLE would have to have some kind of agreement in place before trading for JG, which means he'd want a market value contract starting now. Are you giving up 2 1's, or a 1 and 2 2's, for the chance to pay a barely known guy 16M or 18M for five years? Yes, if he hits, then it's a good deal, but if he's so good why (in this scenario) is NE trading him? Meanwhile CLE could just draft a ton of guys with the picks they otherwise would have traded, all of whom have a shot to outperform their contracts. There are a lot of moving parts here, and you can see why they don't want to give away the farm.

 

[sb1]

it is also possible that Brady sucks next year......could happen

It could. Not that it has any relevance to how good JG is...

 

[IllegalContact]

It could. Not that it has any relevance to how good JG is...

true

stick around ..... your stupidity will be rewarded

 

[sb1]

true

stick around ..... your stupidity will be rewarded

I look forward to the future after Brady walks away. Highly unlikely your binky will have anything to do with it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Cleveland fans wouldn't know value if it was a $100 bill.

 

[IllegalContact]

I look forward to the future after Brady walks away. Highly unlikely your binky will have anything to do with it.

stick around......your stupidity will be rewarded

 

[sb1]

cassell never looked like garoppolo......for every good game there was an incredibly bad one

anyone who even attempts to assert that cassell had anywhere near the talent and mechanics of garoppolo is an idiot

Cassel at least beat a good team or two including blowing the soon to be NFC champs right off our field. Can't say the same about your binky Jimmy.

 

[PatsFan2]

Ask Cleveland fans if they remember that the Patriots lost a First Rounder for BB. Tell them to ask us how did that work out and if we would do it again?? Do Cleveland fans realize that they haven't had a legitimate QB since Bernie Kosar many many many many many moons ago. They are the door mats of their Division because they have a revolving door at QB. Keeps your 500 draft picks Cleveland if you keep thowing $h!t at the wall somethings gottta stick.