Cleveland fans don't value JAG

[BobDigital]

The Cleveland front office looks at Jimmy G and sees a high chance at a franchise QB for 10-15 years who will play at a good level (no certainly but a better than fair shot).

Looking at the Cleveland forum most fans laugh at the idea of trading a first round pick at all.

Garoppolo Watch: March Edition

Many of them seem happy to pick from a crop of QBs this year that stink or go with Kessler. The idea of giving up the #12 seems too high a price for many and 2 is near laughable to them.

My question is this: What the heck are many of these fans thinking? Yes draft picks are great and valuable. Yes football is a team sport and throwing away everything else to get a QB gets you no where. Yes, maybe JAG turns out not to be that good. All possible and fair points.

Here is the truth. Picks hit and miss. The QBs this year are not good no matter how much you try to talk yourself into them. Kessler is not your answer.

In fact the worst thing they can do is draft a QB this year. If I was a cleveland fan I would be pounding the table not to do it. If drafting is the way you want to get your QB accept you will be bad this year and bet big on next year.

I just was shocked at the disconnect here. It is like they assume that Kessler will somehow magically turn out to be decent (he won't) or this years QBs hold reasonable promise (they don't).

I know ultimately the Browns front office makes the call but these fans need to get their heads on straight. The only thing I can assume is it has been so long since they have had decent QB play they have no idea what it looks like anymore.

 

[Sicilian]

I imagine they're reluctant about trading two #1's for Jimmy for the same reason I'm perfectly willing to give him up for that price: I'm not 100% convinced he's a franchise quarterback. I get that the QB is everything in the NFL, and sometimes you have to take a risk on a guy and hope he pans out (because if it does you're set). But that can net you a Brock Osweiler as easily as it can net you a competent QB.

 

[BadMoFo]

They're Browns fans. That's all you need to know.

 

[sambam94]

rewatch those 6 quarters..Jimmy G is the real deal

 

[BradyFTW!]

Fans overrate first round picks. Always have. Whoever they pick at #13, you can pretty much guarantee he won't be as good or fill as great a position of need as Garoppolo.

Sure, a first round pick can turn into JJ Watt. But, this being the ****ing Browns and all, it's far more likely to turn into Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, or Barkevious Mingo.

 

[Jangles]

Well starting with some assumptions. If BB really thinks Jimmy is all that, he simply will not trade him (at least for anything I would give him.) Brady for all his greatness and training regimes is still 39 going on 40 and NOBODY fools mother nature indefinitely. So if he is available, AND if Hue feels he can be the QB this team needs, and acknowledging that QB options are really limited - I offer #12, 2nd next year and 3rd in 19 in exchange for Jimmy G and their 1st (32) this year. Now if the Browns give lots more, I trust the team's judgment, but that's all I'd give.

just lmao at this proposal



What price would u pay for Jimmy G?

there's gold here

 

[BelichickFan]

On the Browns board I read, few want to give up the 12th pick, let alone add to that. They now have the upside of an above average offense if they got JG. Defense is trash, though, I guess they are hitting that hard in the draft. Offense will be trash without a respectable QB though.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

They don't deserve JG anyway.
I hope he stays, or gets sent elsewhere.
Let irrelevance live on in brown town.

 

[Ring 6]

The Cleveland front office looks at Jimmy G and sees a high chance at a franchise QB for 10-15 years who will play at a good level (no certainly but a better than fair shot).

Looking at the Cleveland forum most fans laugh at the idea of trading a first round pick at all.

Garoppolo Watch: March Edition

Many of them seem happy to pick from a crop of QBs this year that stink or go with Kessler. The idea of giving up the #12 seems too high a price for many and 2 is near laughable to them.

My question is this: What the heck are many of these fans thinking? Yes draft picks are great and valuable. Yes football is a team sport and throwing away everything else to get a QB gets you no where. Yes, maybe JAG turns out not to be that good. All possible and fair points.

Here is the truth. Picks hit and miss. The QBs this year are not good no matter how much you try to talk yourself into them. Kessler is not your answer.

In fact the worst thing they can do is draft a QB this year. If I was a cleveland fan I would be pounding the table not to do it. If drafting is the way you want to get your QB accept you will be bad this year and bet big on next year.

I just was shocked at the disconnect here. It is like they assume that Kessler will somehow magically turn out to be decent (he won't) or this years QBs hold reasonable promise (they don't).

I know ultimately the Browns front office makes the call but these fans need to get their heads on straight. The only thing I can assume is it has been so long since they have had decent QB play they have no idea what it looks like anymore.

First you are talking like garappolo is to Kessler like Brady is to Ryan leaf.
They aren't that different.

Second let's say Brady retires down the road and we have a terrible year and have no qb and only win a game or 2. Is the priority thing on your mind trading for someone else's backup who played 6 quarters in 3 years after coming into the league from a lesser competition schedule?
We seem to have gotten carried away with the idea that other teams see the potential that we think Jimmy g has but hadn't shown yet in any extended period of time and the best possible upside we see is what they will pay for.

Giving up a 1 on the hope that this guy who has been mostly sitting the bench for 3 years could turn out to be great is a gamble. More than that may just be dumb.

 

[Sicilian]

rewatch those 6 quarters..Jimmy G is the real deal

He looked good, don't get me wrong. But so did Matt Cassel while he was here, and we had a lot more than 6 quarters to base it on. One of the things that's made Brady so remarkable is his durability. Jimmy lasted basically one big hit before he went out. Could have been a fluke thing, but durability is something you have to prove over time, and at best you can say he's a question mark there. 1.5 games proves nothing either way.

I'm okay with them trading him OR keeping him, for the record. Insurance is a nice thing to have. I'm just saying I don't blame other teams fans for being hesitant to believe a backup will come in and perform just as well, day in and day out, for a team that isn't as well run or well coached as the Patriots.

 

[skspikex2]

Sure.... How's that first round Manziel doing? Oh wait.

 

[The Gr8est]

The Cleveland front office looks at Jimmy G and sees a high chance at a franchise QB for 10-15 years who will play at a good level (no certainly but a better than fair shot).

Looking at the Cleveland forum most fans laugh at the idea of trading a first round pick at all.

Garoppolo Watch: March Edition

Many of them seem happy to pick from a crop of QBs this year that stink or go with Kessler. The idea of giving up the #12 seems too high a price for many and 2 is near laughable to them.

My question is this: What the heck are many of these fans thinking? Yes draft picks are great and valuable. Yes football is a team sport and throwing away everything else to get a QB gets you no where. Yes, maybe JAG turns out not to be that good. All possible and fair points.

Here is the truth. Picks hit and miss. The QBs this year are not good no matter how much you try to talk yourself into them. Kessler is not your answer.

In fact the worst thing they can do is draft a QB this year. If I was a cleveland fan I would be pounding the table not to do it. If drafting is the way you want to get your QB accept you will be bad this year and bet big on next year.

I just was shocked at the disconnect here. It is like they assume that Kessler will somehow magically turn out to be decent (he won't) or this years QBs hold reasonable promise (they don't).

I know ultimately the Browns front office makes the call but these fans need to get their heads on straight. The only thing I can assume is it has been so long since they have had decent QB play they have no idea what it looks like anymore.

I have seen the same thing looking at their forums. It is like they think if they post what Jimmy is worth enough times, with enough vigor, then their viewpoint will become reality and the Pats will be forced to trade Jimmy to them at their price.

Now we are all just fans talking of course, and we don't know what value BB attaches to Jimmy, but the anecdotal evidence I have seen leads me to believe that the Pats are serious about a high price for Jimmy, and really are not inclined to trade him.

Sorry if that sucks for Browns fans, but they need to discuss other possibilities if they want to cheap out.

Remember, quality is remembered after price is forgot.

You can go all out for the girl of your dreams, or cheap out and settle for Rosie O'Donnell.

 

[BelichickFan]

Cassell was QBing the 2007 team returning. Moss & Welker in their prime.

JG had Edelman returning, that's it. Gronk out, Bennett, Hogan, Mitchell new to the team.

 

[Angelpats]

When you lose so much, Picks all they have to cherish. They don't have anything else to look forward too so don't blame them.

 

[SONS_OF_BELICHICK]

they must have the mediocrity complex....

 

[Deus Irae]

In general:

Fans overrate their hand. Fans underrate the hands of their opponents. It has ever been thus.

 

[Rob0729]

I think if I was on the other side of a potential trade for Garoppolo, I would be with the Browns fans. He is an unproven talent and many here way overrate the guy based on a very small sample size. Granted Cleveland has so many picks that I might be more ok with giving up more.

Yes, based on the market, their trade compensation expectations are ridiculously low. But if I was a fan of a team trading for Garoppolo, I would be weary of them trading more than a second round.

 

[The Gr8est]

I think if I was on the other side of a potential trade for Garoppolo, I would be with the Browns fans. He is an unproven talent and many here way overrate the guy based on a very small sample size. Granted Cleveland has so many picks that I might be more ok with giving up more.

Yes, based on the market, their trade compensation expectations are ridiculously low. But if I was a fan of a team trading for Garoppolo, I would be weary of them trading more than a second round.

Well, then they should just move on to the REAL franchise QB they can get instead, and stop discussing Jimmy.

 

[Rob0729]

Well, then they should just move on to the REAL franchise QB they can get instead, and stop discussing Jimmy.

Garoppolo could be a franchise QB, but there is no guarantees. That is their apprehension.

If the roles were reversed and the Pats were rumored to be trying to trade to get Jimmy G, I guarantee you many people on this board who are saying you can't trade Garoppolo or they wouldn't trade him for less than two firsts would be saying that they wouldn't give up more than a second for him. That is how NFL fandom works.

 

[BelichickFan]

It's so difficult to find a good QB, if TB12 were retiring after this year I wouldn't trade him for 1.1. I just wouldn't. What would you trade him for if this were Brady's last year? Think about it that way. 1.1 and 1.12? I may have to do that but without a QB, you have nothing.

LOL, ask Houston and Oakland.