Rapaport: Hightower "exploring, but open to returning to the Patriots"

[Edelmania]

I think the league thinks more of butler than you do. I hope I'm wrong.

I think a lot of Butler, but for a team to acquire him they would have to overpay by a 1st round pick. Butler would only sign an offer sheet that gives him what he wants which is at least market value. Then the first round pick on top of that. I dont see anyone being so desperate to have Butler that they would give a large market value (or better depending on what Butler is demanding) contract + a 1st rounder. 1st rounders are valuable in this league.

 

[Ring 6]

I think the Patriots would go 5/65/40 with Hightower, but not higher.

Why are those numbers a limit?
Curious what your thought process is.

 

[captain insano]

I think a lot of Butler, but for a team to acquire him they would have to overpay by a 1st round pick. Butler would only sign an offer sheet that gives him what he wants which is at least market value. Then the first round pick on top of that. I dont see anyone being so desperate to have Butler that they would give a large market value (or better depending on what Butler is demanding) contract + a 1st rounder. 1st rounders are valuable in this league.

its not a overpay.

 

[Ring 6]

its not a overpay.

Giving a player the market contract plus giving his team a first round pick is absolutely overpaying.

 

[captain insano]

There's no reason to be. No team can craft a contract that the Patriots can't match. Butler's not going anywhere, unless the Patriots allow it.

i hope you are right but i don't think you are.

 

[Ring 6]

i hope you are right but i don't think you are.

What do you think he is wrong about?
He said the patriots can match any offer. They can. That's the R in RFA

 

[TinhWoodhead]

This thread title reminds me of my first marriage.

Dora?

 

[Ring 6]

Dora?

The explora?

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Welp he's gone.

Just tweeted that his favorite commercial was the one CSNNE did of all the teams texting him to sign with them

Let him play the game. He will look around. We will see how much he loves it here. I still think we will draft a linebacker no matter what.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I am gonna really miss blount interesting to see how his production goes with another team.

 

[Edelmania]

its not a overpay.

Paying somebody what he is worth, and then a 1st round pick on top of that is in fact overpay.

 

[Deus Irae]

i hope you are right but i don't think you are.

Teams can no longer use poison pill provisions in contracts in the same way the could back in the day. All they can do now, basically, is used amounts, bonuses and years (for example, the Patriots lame attempt with Sanders a few years back). Since New England has plenty of cap space available and, currently, no worries about that moving forward after 2017, no team can fashion a contract that the Patriots cannot match, should the Patriots so choose.

 

[BradyFTW!]

At this point, I'll definitely take that. I would've loved for us to have locked him up before this, but given that he's hitting FA the only real question is whether or not he's interested in returning. As long as he is, we're still in pretty solid shape. If this is a McCourty situation, where he isn't willing to take a discount but will stick with us if we match the best offer he gets, then at least the ball will be in our court to decide if we want to keep him. That's much better than if he's unhappy and just wants to be gone, at least.

 

[BradyFTW!]

We will lose ryan unfortunately but hightower's most important. Would love tbe pats to draft gareon conley or Sidney jones

These words may come back to bite me in the ass, but I'm not too worried about losing Ryan. He's a fine CB2, but we've lost better players and weathered it fine, and losing him is much better than keeping him what he's rumored to be in line to get.

We've just gotta remind ourselves that he's been benched for stretches in every year he's started. As recently as 6 months ago, nobody was particularly worried about him leaving this offseason.

 

[Love The Drake]

At one point we were clamoring for Justin Coleman over him it seems so long ago though

 

[captain insano]

Teams can no longer use poison pill provisions in contracts in the same way the could back in the day. All they can do now, basically, is used amounts, bonuses and years (for example, the Patriots lame attempt with Sanders a few years back). Since New England has plenty of cap space available and, currently, no worries about that moving forward after 2017, no team can fashion a contract that the Patriots cannot match, should the Patriots so choose.

forget about the pill. if a team offers more than the pats are willing to pay butler. he's gone.

 

[captain insano]

Paying somebody what he is worth, and then a 1st round pick on top of that is in fact overpay.

sorry its not a fact. just your opinion. I think there is a legit chance a team does exactly what you say a team won't.

 

[Deus Irae]

forget about the pill. if a team offers more than the pats are willing to pay butler he's gone.

Thus the bold portion below, from my earlier post:

There's no reason to be. No team can craft a contract that the Patriots can't match. Butler's not going anywhere, unless the Patriots allow it.

 

[Edelmania]

sorry its not a fact. its your opinion.

No actually, it is a fact. Paying somebody what he is worth (the contract a team would be offering) + more (the draft pick) is overpay.
The more would be the overpay.

By definition paying someone more than he is worth is overpaying.

EDIT: And Butler wouldnt accept a contract that is less than what he is worth.

 

[captain insano]

No actually, it is a fact. Paying somebody what he is worth (the contract a team would be offering) + more (the draft pick) is overpay.
The more would be the overpay.

By definition paying someone more than he is worth is overpaying.

sorry you are losing me. your opinion not fact.