Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[Huckleberry1]

As @XLIX says JG could also make it clear that he would not sign an extension with the other team. While that doesn't stop NE from making the trade, JG taking that position will likely torpedo the trade because the other team won't part with high draft choice(s) without the assurance (in the form of an extension completed alongside the trade) that they won't lose him in a year.

And the Patriots could dismiss the trade and then slap a transition tag on Garrapolo, match the offer he takes, and keep him on the bench as long as they want. Hardball can be played by both sides, and Belichick is as good as they get at it.

 

[Ring 6]

And the Patriots could dismiss the trade and then slap a transition tag on Garrapolo, match the offer he takes, and keep him on the bench as long as they want. Hardball can be played by both sides, and Belichick is as good as they get at it.

He cannot afford to pay that for a backup.

 

[XLIX]

Again it's all possible but in that scenario he would still be hurting himself.

Playing that out I think the Pats would still trade him and make it conditional.

If he signs there it's a #1 pick. If not they get whatever less.

If media reports regarding what the Patriots want are to be believed, there's no way NE makes a trade where they only get a #1 if JG stays with the trade partner.

Heck, at that point, NE would just keep him for a year and settle on the worst case scenario that he brings a #3 compensatory.

 

[XLIX]

And the Patriots could dismiss the trade and then slap a transition tag on Garrapolo, match the offer he takes, and keep him on the bench as long as they want. Hardball can be played by both sides, and Belichick is as good as they get at it.

No way in the world that happens. You think BB is going to match an Osweiler-type contract for a backup...?!?!

Playing hardball is one thing but what you suggest above is 100% contrary to the way NE does business.

 

[The Gr8est]

If media reports regarding what the Patriots want are to be believed, there's no way NE makes a trade where they only get a #1 if JG stays with the trade partner.

Heck, at that point, NE would just keep him for a year and settle on the worst case scenario that he brings a #3 compensatory.

I don't see why people think the Pats would only be looking at a 3rd round comp pick for Jimmy if the Pats keep him past this year.

If the Pats were to franchise him, do you think a team that thinks he is their answer at QB is not going to make a reasonable offer for him?

For example, the Bears or 49ers are not going to sit on their hands and let the Browns trade just a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him regardless of the fact that he will need to get paid.

 

[SalemPats]

my guess is that the Bears want Jimmy and will trade their 1st for him, but are trying not to

 

[RobertWeathers]

If media reports regarding what the Patriots want are to be believed, there's no way NE makes a trade where they only get a #1 if JG stays with the trade partner.

Heck, at that point, NE would just keep him for a year and settle on the worst case scenario that he brings a #3 compensatory.

I don't see NE letting him walk for just a 3rd rounder in 2018.

To your point it depends on the #1. If Jimmy goes all diva then conditions will be set. If he plays along like Yee will strongly suggest he would then life is good. Keep in mind more than one team will kick the tires on him. Even with future uncertainty the price should be high and teams believe players can be bought regardless of the team. Look at Jamie Collins.

 

[XLIX]

I don't see why people think the Pats would only be looking at a 3rd round comp pick for Jimmy if the Pats keep him past this year.

If the Pats were to franchise him, do you think a team that thinks he is their answer at QB is not going to make a reasonable offer for him?

For example, the Bears or 49ers are not going to sit on their hands and let the Browns trade just a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him regardless of the fact that he will need to get paid.

If the Patriots franchise Garoppolo, that doesn't really change the dynamic we are facing right now (except, if anything, Garoppolo has even more leverage).

Garoppolo would still be in the position where he can "veto" any trade because no team is going to trade the Patriots a top pick AND pay a franchise player salary for just 1 year of service with no long term guarantee.

So the fact is the Patriots really cannot force Garoppolo into a situation that he doesn't approve of. That is true this year, and it will be true next year.

 

[XLIX]

I don't see NE letting him walk for just a 3rd rounder in 2018.

To your point it depends on the #1. If Jimmy goes all diva then conditions will be set. If he plays along like Yee will strongly suggest he would then life is good. Keep in mind more than one team will kick the tires on him. Even with future uncertainty the price should be high and teams believe players can be bought regardless of the team. Look at Jamie Collins.

If Garoppolo got traded *without* any sort of new deal in place then yes, he will absolutely go along with it. He will be in the final year of his contract so he certainly wants to increase his future value.

If anything, playing for a full year for some other team then hitting free agency is Garoppolo's ideal scenario. The only problem is I don't see a team giving the Patriots what they want in trade without the long term guarantee.

All I am saying is Garoppolo doesn't need to just meekly accept any trade the Patriots come up with. He could, for all intents and purposes, refuse to go to SF (for example) by refusing to sign any new deal. And if some team is crazy enough to give NE a bounty *without* a new deal in place, even better.

 

[ChessToCheckers]

I'm in the camp that believes that the Pats are manipulating the media and that the ensuing bidding war for Jimmy G will result in a lucrative trade for the Pats BEFORE training camp this year.

I think Brady will play for the Pats at a high level through his next extension and that the Pats will draft another QB this year or next as Brissett /Brady insurance.

It sucks to be the other 31!

 

[Oswlek]

As @XLIX says JG could also make it clear that he would not sign an extension with the other team. While that doesn't stop NE from making the trade, JG taking that position will likely torpedo the trade because the other team won't part with high draft choice(s) without the assurance (in the form of an extension completed alongside the trade) that they won't lose him in a year.

This isn't a very compelling argument because the new team could just tag JG for the next two seasons. This is prohibitive for NE but means the other team gets a starter for 3 years at an average of "only" $20mm a year. That is a reasonable expense and also gives the team three seasons to build around Jimmy and to pitch him on an extension.

 

[XLIX]

This isn't a very compelling argument because the new team could just tag JG for the next two seasons. This is prohibitive for NE but means the other team gets a starter for 3 years at an average of "only" $20mm a year. That is a reasonable expense and also gives the team three seasons to build around Jimmy and to pitch him on an extension.

Yes that's a theoretical possibility but I still highly doubt any team trades for Garoppolo with the idea that "ok, well if he refuses to sign a new deal after this year, we will just pay him $55 million for 2018 and 2019." You may say "well that's 3 years for $56 million" but the salary cap won't look at it that way.

That's not a desired outcome for a team to get themselves into. You don't *want* to put yourself into a position where you're bringing in a new guy who already has the mindset that it'll take the franchise tag to get him to stay.

 

[Aßßynormal]

All the new team needs to do is Transition tag JAG and match. Poison Pills aren't allowed (mostly) and Cleveland type teams are never at the cap.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If Garoppolo got traded *without* any sort of new deal in place then yes, he will absolutely go along with it. He will be in the final year of his contract so he certainly wants to increase his future value.

If anything, playing for a full year for some other team then hitting free agency is Garoppolo's ideal scenario. The only problem is I don't see a team giving the Patriots what they want in trade without the long term guarantee.

All I am saying is Garoppolo doesn't need to just meekly accept any trade the Patriots come up with. He could, for all intents and purposes, refuse to go to SF (for example) by refusing to sign any new deal. And if some team is crazy enough to give NE a bounty *without* a new deal in place, even better.

I agree. You've summerized it well.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Yes, we know, you want to get rid of the greatest player in football coming off the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history to try out a player who couldn't make it through two games.

File that under dumbest idea ever.

When did I say that? Brady is great. Polo is a next franchise QB. BBs and Krafts job is to maximize the benefits to the team... TB for up to 2 years and then transition to Polo, is what I seek

 

[sambam94]

I don't see Brady slipping that much after 2 years. Half the battle is mental and being able to decipher defenses. I would love Jimmy G to be the next QB for the Pats, but I see Brady with 4-5 more solid years...that means Jimmy has to be traded.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Those are your odds, reality is that he's the best player in football and has shown absolutely no sign of deteriorating.

Feel free to make a fact based argument that he has been getting worse, so far not one person has been able to do so.

If the Pats lost, all the commentary would be how Brady is losing it after that horrendous First Three Quarters...

 

[varjao]

Gotta love the Browns fans, I took a look at their board and they want to draft Trubinksy with their #1, some are saying Garret is Barkevious Mingo 2.0, they don't want Jimmy G (a few level headed fans think it's the best choice) , some fans deserve the team they choose to root for.

 

[The Gr8est]

Gotta love the Browns fans, I took a look at their board and they want to draft Trubinksy with their #1, some are saying Garret is Barkevious Mingo 2.0, they don't want Jimmy G (a few level headed fans think it's the best choice) , some fans deserve the team they choose to root for.

Why pay $50.00/pound for filet mignon when road kill is so much cheaper?

 

[Huckleberry1]

If the Pats lost, all the commentary would be how Brady is losing it after that horrendous First Three Quarters...

Your hatred of Tom Brady is well documented and duly noted. Thanks for playing NEM,