Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[PatriotsPimp136]

That's two out of ten, one who had an unreal defense. The list of QB's who win Super Bowls is heavily weighted towards really good to great QBs? "Solid QB's" don't get it done.

People are welcome to buy into Max Kellerman all they want, I'm not buying it. Brady's got four more great years imo, and as he said he'll re-evaluate then.

Idk. I am gonna enjoy whateva years he has left. He will outlast some of these QBs. I don't think eli or big ben are playing well at his age.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Idk. I am gonna enjoy whateva years he has left. He will outlast some of these QBs. I don't think eli or big ben are playing well at his age.

That's how I see it. I honestly think Brady's got another four years of great play, and maybe even more, and I'm going to enjoy every bit of it. The Kellerman's can root for their cliff but I'll bet on Brady every time.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

4 years? Beginning to think Ivan is Giselle.

 

[MagicMarker]

I still don't believe the Bills will let Taylor go. He already has been paid some of the money, but what he's got left is a five year deal (2017 - 2021) and they have to pay him $82.5 million over the next five years. That's not a top half QB salary, if I'm calculating the correctly. That's $16.5 million per year. Are they going to find someone better?

Take Taylor off the market, who else is there that someone might prefer to Garoppolo?

 

[RobertWeathers]

One of the posts I wrote (that you apparently read since you responded to it) said:

"yes I know he can't technically "refuse a trade" but he can refuse to sign a new deal with the new team, and no team is going to trade for him without a new deal"

You even responded:

"I agree that Jimmy has that ability to poo-poo a destination"

I thought it was clear when I put veto in quotes that we were still going with that working definition of "he can't technically refuse a trade but he can refuse to sign a new deal with the new team, and no team is going to trade for him without a new deal."

Yes the Patriots can send him anywhere they want, but they cannot force him to sign a new deal with them or anyone else. And nobody is going to give up a haul of draft picks absent at least an agreement in principle.

As such, for all practical intents and purposes, he can veto any trade. You even agreed with that statement, so I cannot understand why now you are saying "he can't veto a trade."

Poo-pooing is not a veto. If he has the gall to complain then fine. The other team will still trade for him. Instead of a king's ransom they'll get less.

He will still be traded and will negotiate a huge contract because he wants to start and be rich.

This thread is silly. It's all Felger's fault for bringing up this absurd hypothetical.

 

[XLIX]

Poo-pooing is not a veto.

Then you really should have been more clear in what you were saying, especially since you started the sentence with "I agree that...."

If he has the gall to complain then fine. The other team will still trade for him. Instead of a king's ransom they'll get less.

It is not a matter of him complaining or holding out of training camp or any other silliness like that.... it is a matter of him simply refusing to sign a new deal with any new team. If reports regarding what the Patriots want in trade is correct, no team in the NFL is going to give it to them just so they can rent him for a single year.

He will still be traded and will negotiate a huge contract because he wants to start and be rich.

Anyone being honest has to admit that we don't have the first clue what he wants because he hasn't made any statements (or given any hints) regarding what he really wants. Sure, he wants to start and he wants to be rich.... but we have no idea what his true priorities are. Does he want to play for Chicago? Maybe he just wants to go to a team with a good front office so he may be saying "anywhere but Cleveland". Or maybe he doesn't care where he goes and will just want to make as much money as possible.

Which brings us right back to the notion that he can effectively "veto" any trade he doesn't like, and not a single team in the NFL will hold it against him next year (except maybe the team he didn't want to join in the first place)

 

[Kargetina]

4 years? Beginning to think Ivan is Giselle.

She wants Brady to retire.

He's probably JE11.

 

[manxman2601]

The QB market is getting silly.

 

[Love The Drake]

The QB market is getting silly.

Jimmy G must be livid

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

The QB market is getting silly.

Holy cow!
Insanity!

 

[manxman2601]

Jimmy G must be livid

not if Jimmy G is the future in NE and the Jets sign Glennon

 

[Love The Drake]

Jets could sign Glennon

 

[RobertWeathers]

Then you really should have been more clear in what you were saying, especially since you started the sentence with "I agree that...."
It is not a matter of him complaining or holding out of training camp or any other silliness like that.... it is a matter of him simply refusing to sign a new deal with any new team. If reports regarding what the Patriots want in trade is correct, no team in the NFL is going to give it to them just so they can rent him for a single year.
Anyone being honest has to admit that we don't have the first clue what he wants because he hasn't made any statements (or given any hints) regarding what he really wants. Sure, he wants to start and he wants to be rich.... but we have no idea what his true priorities are. Does he want to play for Chicago? Maybe he just wants to go to a team with a good front office so he may be saying "anywhere but Cleveland". Or maybe he doesn't care where he goes and will just want to make as much money as possible.

Which brings us right back to the notion that he can effectively "veto" any trade he doesn't like, and not a single team in the NFL will hold it against him next year (except maybe the team he didn't want to join in the first place)

Yes I should have been clearer but to be very clear, Jimmy does not have the ability to veto a trade. He can refuse to report or do something to himself so he flunks the physical but if he told the Pats "no" they'd say tuff and would trade him regardless. One he is the other team's property that's it and there is nothing he can do about it.

 

[Nehalem]

The QB market is getting silly.

Osweiler got 18m/year. It seems like its actually getting less silly.

 

[Brit patriot]

This is Mike Glennon yeah?? The crap one? There isn't another Mike Glennon my limey ass has missed?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Yes I should have been clearer but to be very clear, Jimmy does not have the ability to veto a trade. He can refuse to report or do something to himself so he flunks the physical but if he told the Pats "no" they'd say tuff and would trade him regardless. One he is the other team's property that's it and there is nothing he can do about it.

As @XLIX says JG could also make it clear that he would not sign an extension with the other team. While that doesn't stop NE from making the trade, JG taking that position will likely torpedo the trade because the other team won't part with high draft choice(s) without the assurance (in the form of an extension completed alongside the trade) that they won't lose him in a year.

 

[Huckleberry1]

4 years? Beginning to think Ivan is Giselle.

That is funny Pissah but I'm really serious about it, and people laughed when we were saying it in 2014. I still believe the same things now that I did then, that Brady's game is built upon his football IQ, which has only gotten higher, and his accuracy, which is dependent upon his mechanics, which if anything have gotten better, especially out of the pocket. Ten years ago he was really erratic when he was on the run, and his accuracy was poor, now he maintains his balance when he's throwing on the run and his accuracy is clearly better. I don't see any reason either of these will diminish in the next four years. That leaves arm strength, and the way he takes care of himself I think that any slippage in that area will be almost impossible to detect. I honestly believe that as long as they have a good OL and he has decent weapons to work with that we will see the same kind of performances from him in coming seasons that we saw this season. And imo this years performance was seriously hindered by the thigh injury he suffered when Chancellor drilled him in the Seattle game. Brady struggled with that injury for at least a month but still played well enough to go 4-0 over that time. So imo the only thing that will come into play is how long Brady wants to devote his entire life to playing football, and right now he's saying he wants to play another 4-5 years. I'm fine with the Kellerman's crying every year that he's going to "fall off a cliff," and they can continue to move the goalposts all they want, I'm betting on Brady and they can bet on Kellerman and his cliff, I'll take that match-up every time, and I'm guessing you would to.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I expect him to be excellent for 2 more seasons. Then as the fastball fades, very good for another season , maybe even another as "good". He'll pull a Bruschi, talk to BB and retire once he's mediocre.
But I'll take 3 fine years of Brady over some jamoke franchise JAG plan that cripples the team by destroying the other 21 positions.
What kills me about the JAGwads is that they make an unstated assumption that he is a very good to great QB. Risky.
If my man Bisquick isn't the guy, we draft somebody in 2018 or 2019 and rebuild.

Trade JAG now for what you can get. It will never be a better time.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As @XLIX says JG could also make it clear that he would not sign an extension with the other team. While that doesn't stop NE from making the trade, JG taking that position will likely torpedo the trade because the other team won't part with high draft choice(s) without the assurance (in the form of an extension completed alongside the trade) that they won't lose him in a year.

Again it's all possible but in that scenario he would still be hurting himself.

Playing that out I think the Pats would still trade him and make it conditional.

If he signs there it's a #1 pick. If not they get whatever less.

 

[The Gr8est]

This is Mike Glennon yeah?? The crap one? There isn't another Mike Glennon my limey ass has missed?

This is the Mike Glennon who impressed Tampa Bay so much that they went out and drafted Winston.