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The Cost of insurance, short term.

I doubt that anyone believes that the Team as presently constituted will not be a favored Superbowl LII contender. They get back two great players missing on the LI squad. Gronkowski and Vollmer. Although Vollmer may retire. Both or even one would add to the Teams might in persuing Lombardi #6.

Several young players will probably get better. Thuney, Mason, Andrews, Mitchell, Floyd on Offense and Flowers, Van Noy, Rowe and McMillen are candidates to improve with another full training camp. Only the loss of Hightower, Ryan to FA, and age to Branch, may detract from the Defense. The only age on the Team is Branch, Ninkovich, and Tom Brady

There is ample depth everywhere now. The team has 5 startable WRs, and two TEs, three quality RBs and 10 Offensive linemen This includes three QBs of which two are trained and starting caliber unless one is traded. .
This team has a ton of Free Agents. "As presently constituted" does not include 5 WRs, 2 TEs, 3 quality RBs.
It does not include Hightower, Ryan or Branch.
This teams needs a lot of work to be ready to compete for a SB.


If Garappolo is traded the Pats need to acquire a startable backup QB. Who are qualified and what would they cost, if for whatever reason, health, age or ineffectiveness should beset Brady and the Team in 2017 as they seek Lombardi #6?

I take it as a given, that Brisset is not polished or ready as a sophomore, nor is the Team for him as a SuperBowl QB. IMO he needs, as a minimum of 3 years of a couple or three training camps at the finishing school before he can step in and win. A Romo or Safford, if available, would likely cost a 1st and 4th and a minimum of 5-10 million.
BB has never felt this way.
Are you honestly suggesting trading a 1st and a 4th for Tony Romo or Matthew Stafford so they could become backups and sit on our bench all season? Really?

There goes ALL THE PUTATIVE BENEFITS of the draft pick haul of trading Garappolo. The salary needed, adds more costs to the CAP.

Lesser QBs with lower expectations might cost half as much. But can they win a Superbowl with them,if needed?

Gambling with the QB depth and finding someone like a McNown for a year, reduces the Garappolo trade benefits by only half or more. Yet BB would have to make one or the other, as prudent choices in the event he trades Garappolo.
You want to go out and get a starting QB as a backup?

Teams are seldom in a favored position to win a Superbowl.
Every year a handful teams are favorites to contend for the SB.

The Team needs to be fully staffed and prepared. The 2017 edition of the Patriots is such a Team. Spending a 1st for insurance to win Lombardi with no chance of recovering much, is worth it for a chance at Lombardi #6, say many "Go for it" fans.

Why would you potentially shoot yourself in the foot in such a case? Belichick is ahead of the game doing exactly... NOTHING.

So why do it?
If Jimmy G can truly bring a mid to high first, your plan says you would trade a mid to high first to have a backup QB for 1 year.
I think the last mid to high first we had was Mayo. You are saying that Mayo's career as a Patriot was so insignificant you would have rather traded it for a backup QB that stayed one year?
 
Garoppolo will be gone after next year and the Pats will only have a 3rd round comp pick in '19 to show for it.

Not trading Garoppolo this year IMO is a loss. Obviously i'm not saying trade him for a 5th round pick. But if there is a deal that nets the Pats 2-3 picks in the first 3 rounds I would absolutely do it.

Remember 2 players got stolen because of framegate. One a 1st rounder and the other a 4th rounder in this year's draft which if you haven't noticed Pats have absolutely been killing it with 4th round picks.

What happens if Brady at 41, 2 years time.. just starts to slip. And then we see JG rise to a top 5 QB in the league the year after we trade him.

2 years is a long time in the NFL, I just hope Brady holds up for awhile if we trade away a potential franchise QB.

A lot of you will be killing the Pats for dealing JG away.

I would probably trade JG for a 1st and more but just sayin.. its not the easiest decision imo. Brady is going to be 40 years old this coming season.
 
What happens if Brady at 41, 2 years time.. just starts to slip. And then we see JG rise to a top 5 QB in the league the year after we trade him.

2 years is a long time in the NFL, I just hope Brady holds up for awhile if we trade away a potential franchise QB.

A lot of you will be killing the Pats for dealing JG away.

I would probably trade JG for a 1st and more but just sayin.. its not the easiest decision imo. Brady is going to be 40 years old this coming season.
Brady turns 41 in August of 2018. Garoppolo will he a free agent in March of 2018. How are you proposing that the Patriots keep Garoppolo around long enough to decide if they want him or 41 year old Brady playing in 2018?
 
The Cost of insurance, short term.

I doubt that anyone believes that the Team as presently constituted will not be a favored Superbowl LII contender. They get back two great players missing on the LI squad. Gronkowski and Vollmer. Although Vollmer may retire. Both or even one would add to the Teams might in persuing Lombardi #6.

Several young players will probably get better. Thuney, Mason, Andrews, Mitchell, Floyd on Offense and Flowers, Van Noy, Rowe and McMillen are candidates to improve with another full training camp. Only the loss of Hightower, Ryan to FA, and age to Branch, may detract from the Defense. The only age on the Team is Branch, Ninkovich, and Tom Brady.

There is ample depth everywhere now. The team has 5 startable WRs, and two TEs, three quality RBs and 10 Offensive linemen This includes three QBs of which two are trained and starting caliber unless one is traded.

If Garappolo is traded the Pats need to acquire a startable backup QB. Who are qualified and what would they cost, if for whatever reason, health, age or ineffectiveness should beset Brady and the Team in 2017 as they seek Lombardi #6?

I take it as a given, that Brisset is not polished or ready as a sophomore, nor is the Team for him as a SuperBowl QB. IMO he needs, as a minimum of 3 years of a couple or three training camps at the finishing school before he can step in and win. A Romo or Safford, if available, would likely cost a 1st and 4th and a minimum of 5-10 million.

There goes ALL THE PUTATIVE BENEFITS of the draft pick haul of trading Garappolo. The salary needed, adds more costs to the CAP.

Lesser QBs with lower expectations might cost half as much. But can they win a Superbowl with them,if needed?

Gambling with the QB depth and finding someone like a McNown for a year, reduces the Garappolo trade benefits by only half or more. Yet BB would have to make one or the other, as prudent choices in the event he trades Garappolo.

Teams are seldom in a favored position to win a Superbowl. The Team needs to be fully staffed and prepared. The 2017 edition of the Patriots is such a Team. Spending a 1st for insurance to win Lombardi with no chance of recovering much, is worth it for a chance at Lombardi #6, say many "Go for it" fans.

Why would you potentially shoot yourself in the foot in such a case? Belichick is ahead of the game doing exactly... NOTHING.

So why do it?

I know this might sound crazy, but just because you have a qb that can win a title, doesnt mean you are going to win a title with that QB. You don't take a QB as a backup because you think we will be able to come in and win a superbowl. You take a QB as a backup because he can manage to not **** up enough that the team can keep trucking til your starter is ready again.

A guy like brian hoyer, or even possibly matt cassel could come back and be starters for the patriots. Saying you need to dump a first rounder to trade for Romo is grade A mularky sir.
 
What happens if Brady at 41, 2 years time.. just starts to slip. And then we see JG rise to a top 5 QB in the league the year after we trade him.
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Okay, so we pay brady his 14-16 million and we franchise JG for one year at 20-22 million.

Thats 36 million for one year at the QB position.

Who do you cut on defense and offense to make room for 30% of the cap being on the QB position?
 
What happens if Brady at 41, 2 years time.. just starts to slip. And then we see JG rise to a top 5 QB in the league the year after we trade him.

2 years is a long time in the NFL, I just hope Brady holds up for awhile if we trade away a potential franchise QB.

A lot of you will be killing the Pats for dealing JG away.

I would probably trade JG for a 1st and more but just sayin.. its not the easiest decision imo. Brady is going to be 40 years old this coming season.
Bull Sh!t! Not even the game day lunatics are capable of THAT kind of 20-20 hindsight 2 or 3 years from now regardless of how good JG becomes.

Clearly you have fallen for "falling off the cliff" scenario that is currently all the rage in the media these days. Once again, Bull Sh!t. What Brady accomplished in the last 20 minutes of the superbowl proves that he is STILL an elite QB in the league. He continues to get better because his MIND is he ultimate weapon. NO other QB in the league is better at the most important aspect of QB play, and that is making good decisions. NO other QB is better at reading defenses and blitzes. These skills AREN'T going to erode of the next 3-5 years. What WILL erode are his physical gifts. Right now he still can throw a major league fast ball.

Now at SOME point he won't, and I have no idea when that will be and neither doesn anyone else) All we do know is that it WILL happen. And what do we have then. (whenever "then" is) We have Chad Pennington of Miami in 2008, we have Alex Smith. This won't be a Peyton Manning-like thing. It will Brady going from elite, to good, to OK, kind of thing.

Besides I believe that once Brady realizes he isn't elite anymore he'll quit on his own. So we'd likely only have to endure one season of Brady just being a good but not great QB, and struggle through just a 1o or 11 wins season. :rolleyes:
 
Brady turns 41 in August of 2018. Garoppolo will he a free agent in March of 2018. How are you proposing that the Patriots keep Garoppolo around long enough to decide if they want him or 41 year old Brady playing in 2018?

Okay, so we pay brady his 14-16 million and we franchise JG for one year at 20-22 million.

Thats 36 million for one year at the QB position.

Who do you cut on defense and offense to make room for 30% of the cap being on the QB position?

Bull Sh!t! Not even the game day lunatics are capable of THAT kind of 20-20 hindsight 2 or 3 years from now regardless of how good JG becomes.

Clearly you have fallen for "falling off the cliff" scenario that is currently all the rage in the media these days. Once again, Bull Sh!t. What Brady accomplished in the last 20 minutes of the superbowl proves that he is STILL an elite QB in the league. He continues to get better because his MIND is he ultimate weapon. NO other QB in the league is better at the most important aspect of QB play, and that is making good decisions. NO other QB is better at reading defenses and blitzes. These skills AREN'T going to erode of the next 3-5 years. What WILL erode are his physical gifts. Right now he still can throw a major league fast ball.

Now at SOME point he won't, and I have no idea when that will be and neither doesn anyone else) All we do know is that it WILL happen. And what do we have then. (whenever "then" is) We have Chad Pennington of Miami in 2008, we have Alex Smith. This won't be a Peyton Manning-like thing. It will Brady going from elite, to good, to OK, kind of thing.

Besides I believe that once Brady realizes he isn't elite anymore he'll quit on his own. So we'd likely only have to endure one season of Brady just being a good but not great QB, and struggle through just a 1o or 11 wins season. :rolleyes:


I know the situation. I am not buying into the fall off the cliff argument necessarily. We have no idea when that happens. And with all do respect we have no idea how it will happen.. will he go from elite.. to very good.. to good maybe. Or maybe he goes from Elite.. to not able to do it anymore.

I know the franchise tag is unreasonable in 2018.

There is a lot of what ifs. What if JG is a JAG? But if JG turns into a super star qb and Brady plays 2 or 3 more seasons and then retires, was it the right move?
 
The Massive Cost Offensively. (Part III)

Belichick has said without a uniform number, it is hard to distinguish between Brady and Polo He meant on style of play and on techniques. It is not difficult to see the differences between Brady and Brissetts style, though.

Constructing a Superbowl club is different than assembling a winning team. You have to optimize to take advantage of every thing your Team can do; and do it even better.

In summary, Brady's game has always been as a pocket mobile QB, whose forte is short to intermediate throws and very accurate to allow YAC. Being very accurate, he can throw a catchable ball with great velocity, to minimize interceptions and incompletions. Tied to this is the ability to read and anticipate a Defense. Brady also has the ability to release very quickly and compactly, on short drops, before being sacked.

He is not particularly a long ball thrower and his game is not as a practitioner of power running games.

That means the Team, over many drafts, is optimized to provide the best alternatives for such a talent. The Offensive line is heavily oriented to being a pass blocking line, at the sacrifice of power run blocking. The receivers are selected for their quickness, and route running to get open, and not particularly for size and deep speed. RBs who can catch and run a route, are usually preferred over power backs. None of this is absolute. Moss was a great deep reciever and still was at the tail end of his career when the Patriots acquired his services. Antowain and Le Garette are also antithetical to the norm of RBs who have succeeded here, like Kevin Faulk and now White.

That summary accurately describes Garappolo talents too. Brady has a better head from long experience reading Defenses, and Polo's release may be even superior to how great Brady's release is. That is saying something. It is Marino like.

The Talents of Brisette are not in that direction. He is a semi-accurate, long ball thrower, with mild accuracy in the short and intermediate game. His release is long, slow, and ponderous. Not that it hurts in the long deep game, but not conducive to the dink and dunk games of Brady and Garrapolo, and for which talents the receivers were acquired. I doubt you could consistently move the ball downfield as Brady does, little bits at a time and using the short accurate throw as a substitute for a running game, with a Jacoby. Brisette while talented, is just not that kind of QB.

Lets look at franchise QBs that win, but do it as Brisette type might do. Eli Manning and Ben Rothlesberger, I will use as examples. They throw long and complete deep quick strike scores. Their long game is augmented by superior RBs, and very talented deep receivers. Both types of skill players are very expensive to acquire and keep. Their Offensive lines are selected to benefit the power run, at the cost of pass blocking ability. Deep pass protection comes with the QBs deep drop and mobility and scrambling ability to buy time.

Let us suppose that the Pats acquired such a franchise type deep passing QB by trade or draft or development. You would need the following changes: Thuney, Cannon and Andrews would need replacement, possibly Mason too. They are not power run blockers to build a running game around. Goodbye to Amendola, Edelman, maybe Mitchell. Short, small, quick, marginally speedy WRs dont cut it any longer. Floyd fits, and no one else in the WRs, and his deep talent is marginal as a quick-strike weapon.

The TEs are fine. Blount stays, and so does Lewis, White's talent is wasted, so he probably goes too, and you need some more big RBs, trying to find a Laveon Bell. I am really impressed with the draft pick haul for Garrapolo that you got Now.

So to optimize the Offense for such a Super Bowl quality team, not just a plus .500 club, you would ONLY need to replace 8-9 Patriot starters!!!!

There is a Massive Cost to trading Garrapolo that you now begin to see. And we have not yet reviewed the Defense...
 
The Offensive line is heavily oriented to being a pass blocking line, at the sacrifice of power run blocking.

Where is this coming from? Vollmer was the RT1 at the start.

Vollmer - Mauler
Mason - Mauler

Really, the weak spot, in terms of running, is at center, and that's a case of the previous guy losing his position.
 
Yes. Imo you ride brady till he sucks (think bradford or Smith level) or he retires.

There are no absolutes in football. You have to compared the knowns to the pros and cons of the action and pick what gamble to take.

I think trading JG is a gamble as much as keeping him is also a gamble. By trading him you are gambling that you will not need him to replace brady permanently in the next year with reward of whatever picks we get.

If you keep him, you are gambling that brady will fall of a cliff more likely than not this coming year. There it's no chance that they franchise JG with brady on the roster. Not only is it stupid financially, but it is a huge slap in Brady's face when his backup is outearning him by 7-8 million.brady is willing to give the team discounts but ask ing him to accept that is just insulting. I would rather we cut him at that point.
 
Bull Sh!t! Not even the game day lunatics are capable of THAT kind of 20-20 hindsight 2 or 3 years from now regardless of how good JG becomes.

Clearly you have fallen for "falling off the cliff" scenario that is currently all the rage in the media these days. Once again, Bull Sh!t. What Brady accomplished in the last 20 minutes of the superbowl proves that he is STILL an elite QB in the league. He continues to get better because his MIND is he ultimate weapon. NO other QB in the league is better at the most important aspect of QB play, and that is making good decisions. NO other QB is better at reading defenses and blitzes. These skills AREN'T going to erode of the next 3-5 years. What WILL erode are his physical gifts. Right now he still can throw a major league fast ball.

Now at SOME point he won't, and I have no idea when that will be and neither doesn anyone else) All we do know is that it WILL happen. And what do we have then. (whenever "then" is) We have Chad Pennington of Miami in 2008, we have Alex Smith. This won't be a Peyton Manning-like thing. It will Brady going from elite, to good, to OK, kind of thing.

Besides I believe that once Brady realizes he isn't elite anymore he'll quit on his own. So we'd likely only have to endure one season of Brady just being a good but not great QB, and struggle through just a 1o or 11 wins season. :rolleyes:


I usually agree with you Ken, but here I disagree. Brady will have to be carried out. He will never agree he can't cut it still, when he loses it. This particular question debates what to do in 2017. If he goes out for the season. Don't say it can't happen. It did happen in 2008. That is why you purchase insurance...
 
I usually agree with you Ken, but here I disagree. Brady will have to be carried out. He will never agree he can't cut it still, when he loses it. This particular question debates what to do in 2017. If he goes out for the season. Don't say it can't happen. It did happen in 2008. That is why you purchase insurance...

Name the quarterback who is still playing, but can't possibly be lost for the season.
 
Let us suppose that the Pats acquired such a franchise type deep passing QB by trade or draft or development. You would need the following changes: Thuney, Cannon and Andrews would need replacement, possibly Mason too. They are not power run blockers to build a running game around. Goodbye to Amendola, Edelman, maybe Mitchell. Short, small, quick, marginally speedy WRs dont cut it any longer. Floyd fits, and no one else in the WRs, and his deep talent is marginal as a quick-strike weapon.

This is complete nonsense. Aside from your sketchy evaluation of Brissett's skill set - one that the Patriots themselves appear to disagree with - you make a ridiculous number assumptions of how the roster needs to be shaped to accommodate a backup QB.

Did the team reformat their receiving corps and OL structure to account for Mallett's longer delivery? How about Rohan Davey? Did you feel a lot of angst coming from Foxboro about system fit due to his style of play?

If the team moves on from JG and it turns out JB can't do what they want him to do, they'll simply add another rookie to the pipeline in 2018 or 2019.... something they likely need to do anyway if Brady is serious about playing until 45.

Most puzzling is that you seem to be confused about what your own premises are. Are you arguing for JG to stick around for another year? Or longer? If it is the former, why the hyperbole about how much a backup QB matters to the team as a whole? And what does it matter how good JG could become if his value is only insurance the season in question? If it is the latter, what exactly are you doing with Brady in 2018?

If you acknowledge Jimmy isn't likely to be here past 2017 either way, what is the fuss all about? Do you really think upgrading from 2019 3rd to a 2017 first + kicker isn't worth downgrading at backup QB? Particularly when the team clearly invested in precisely that circumstance with Brissett's selection last year?
 
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Yes. Imo you ride brady till he sucks (think bradford or Smith level) or he retires.

There are no absolutes in football. You have to compared the knowns to the pros and cons of the action and pick what gamble to take.

I think trading JG is a gamble as much as keeping him is also a gamble. By trading him you are gambling that you will not need him to replace brady permanently in the next year with reward of whatever picks we get.

If you keep him, you are gambling that brady will fall of a cliff more likely than not this coming year. There it's no chance that they franchise JG with brady on the roster. Not only is it stupid financially, but it is a huge slap in Brady's face when his backup is outearning him by 7-8 million.brady is willing to give the team discounts but ask ing him to accept that is just insulting. I would rather we cut him at that point.

I am talking about 2017 INJURY as in 2008. Surely you don't want to chase Lombardi #6 with only Brisett behind Brady. You migh,t but BBB would never consent to do it. He builds DEPTH on his clubs in so far as he can.

Not at all. This discusses the short term problem of losing him for the season due to injury as in 2008. It is concerned with the pursuit of Lombardi #6 in 2017 and the changes and costs you mustmake preparing for that eventuality in 2017.

I say that on a realsitic basis replacing him with a one year insurance policy costs as much or more than the illusory benefits of the draft haul of trading him.



This team has a ton of Free Agents. "As presently constituted" does not include 5 WRs, 2 TEs, 3 quality RBs.
It does not include Hightower, Ryan or Branch.
This teams needs a lot of work to be ready to compete for a SB.

So it does but it helps that only HT and Butler are super expensive and BB has 62 Million to play with. The situation is better than most years and quite normal. Trading Jones and Jamies solved that conundrum and made it manageable.



BB has never felt this way.
Are you honestly suggesting trading a 1st and a 4th for Tony Romo or Matthew Stafford so they could become backups and sit on our bench all season? Really?


You want to go out and get a starting QB as a backup?


Every year a handful teams are favorites to contend for the SB.


If Jimmy G can truly bring a mid to high first, your plan says you would trade a mid to high first to have a backup QB for 1 year.
I think the last mid to high first we had was Mayo. You are saying that Mayo's career as a Patriot was so insignificant you would have rather traded it for a backup QB that stayed one year?


You want to trade a way a player that may be in that class. Why would you not want to replace him with an equivalent? If you don't want to do that, than simply don't trade him. Let 2018 take care of itself.
 
There will be a massive cost of NOT trading JG.

1) in 2018 we will then have to pay >35 million dollars to two QBs if we don't trade him now, unless we tell TB12 "so long, buddy! either right now or after one more season.

2) That 35M expense will cripple the franchise's ability to win.

3) JG's value will never be higher than it is right now.

4) We are not ready to jettison the GOAT. Given #1 and #2, that would be required.


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Hey, I'd like to wave a magic wand and say "Jimmy, bide your time for 3 more years at 7 million per year, and then the job is yours" but that offer would rightfully get laughed at.
 
I know the situation. I am not buying into the fall off the cliff argument necessarily. We have no idea when that happens. And with all do respect we have no idea how it will happen.. will he go from elite.. to very good.. to good maybe. Or maybe he goes from Elite.. to not able to do it anymore.

I know the franchise tag is unreasonable in 2018.

There is a lot of what ifs. What if JG is a JAG? But if JG turns into a super star qb and Brady plays 2 or 3 more seasons and then retires, was it the right move?

Absolutely it is the right move. You have to let Brady play and you can't keep both. If someone offers a bunch of picks you have to take it. If they don't you keep him.

Let me ask you this.

Let's say JG becomes the next elite QB. How many SB's will he win in his career? One or two?

Let's say BB trades JG and lands a bunch of picks. Can he fortify the team around Brady enough to make a couple more SB runs?

So aren't we deciding who makes the next Pats SB run. Not trading JG hurts next year's team SB run but helps future Non Brady team's possible SB run(s) provided JG is the actual next elite QB.
 
What's the massive cost of having Garoppolo insurance?

Brady has been the starter for 16 seasons and lost most of 2008 due to one injury, and 0.5 games in 2001 due to another injury (AFC title game).

Jimmy Garoppolo was the starter for not even 6 quarters, and missed 2.5 games with an injury.

What type of insurance policy is that for Brady? We have to waste a roster spot on a 3rd QB.
 
This is complete nonsense. Aside from your sketchy evaluation of Brissett's skill set - one that the Patriots themselves appear to disagree with - you make a ridiculous number assumptions of how the roster needs to be shaped to accommodate a backup QB.

Did the team reformat their receiving corps and OL structure to account for Mallett's longer delivery? How about Rohan Davey? Did you feel a lot of angst coming from Foxboro about system fit due to his style of play?

If the team moves on from JG and it turns out JB can't do what they want him to do, they'll simply add another rookie to the pipeline in 2018 or 2019.... something they likely need to do anyway if Brady is serious about playing until 45.

Most puzzling is that you seem to be confused about what your own premises are. Are you arguing for JG to stick around for another year? Or longer? If it is the former, why the hyperbole about how much a backup QB matters to the team as a whole? If it is the latter, what exactly are you doing with Brady in 2018?

If you acknowledge Jimmy isn't likely to be here past 2017 either way, what is the fuss all about? Do you really think upgrading from 2019 3rd to a 2017 first + kicker isn't worth downgrading at backup QB? Particularly when the team clearly invested in precisely that circumstance with Brissett's selection last year?
I knew that this post would raise issues but i expected a rational discussion as well. None of the backup QBs were ever starters so BB did not have to reshape the team, except for Cassel. and that was after teh season had begun. Nor did they believe it was necessary. As Brady's injury was known, and not career ending. The season had begun and the team could not retailor except marginally

As to what am I discussing that is why I broke it into sections, short term in 2017, and the others on Offense and Defense are (or will be) on longer term of having a different style QB and what it really means. Franchise QBs are as rare as chicken lips. If you find one at all, it is likely you will find one, with a different style of play. Except that BB may have found one candidate, that looks and plays like Brady...
 
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With that said, while there is a heavy cost in trading Jimmy, you can easily justify a heavy missed opportunity cost by keeping him and not turning the picks into highly talented, young players with cost-certainty.

With all the FAs this team has and some older players at key positions (we know about the graybeard QB already that plays like hes 25) they need youth + players.

For example, what if High leaves? What if 2 players depart on the DE/Edge position? If BB takes the Jimmy high pick and parlays that for basically a redux of the 2012 draft (High and Jones) he just replenished his defense with high-end talent.

I'm willing to bet that is how BB is thinking about it. Its not necessarily what he can get for Jimmy. Its the ROI he can get for expending the capital he gets in return and how it services the team's short/long term needs elsewhere.
 
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