OT: Two things that annoy me about MMQB's Peter King column today

[shmessy]

Well, I didn't say NEED relating to this year, I'm just saying if JG is a stud, each year draft picks for him would be later and later. Something to consider.

Good point and I hear ya, but even TFB couldn't have turned the Patriots by himself without the best HC and the best owner.

I'm not seeing Cleveland, Chicago or San Fran as great contenders anytime soon. Each of them has either a **** HC (San Fran and Chicago - jury is out on Hue Jackson) or a **** owner (Haslam in Cleveland). I'll take my chances with those 3 franchises continuing to stink for a few years even with Jimmy G.

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[shmessy]

The Browns have the most draft pick point value and cap space going into this season. There is a real chance they get better. It is definitely something to consider.

The only reasons you gave is cap space and draft picks.

Intelligence and knowing what to do with them is more important.

....Otherwise, we'd be a decade into the Jaguars dynasty.

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[Clonamery]

If Peter King only writes two objectively stupid, obnoxious points in his article then that's an improvement over everything I've read from him. I stopped reading him with any regularity about a decade ago, though, so maybe he's clawed his way up to mediocrity.

Even Borges won't plagiarize King's columns.

 

[Tony2046]

The only reasons you gave is cap space and draft picks.

Intelligence and knowing what to do with them is more important.

....Otherwise, we'd be a decade into the Jaguars dynasty.

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Sure. Btw: I was not implying your drafting idea was inconceivable. It is a plausible way of handling a JG trade. For me personally I would rather take the draft points now instead of gambling on what they could be later. That's all.

Actually I would rather see the first round pick this year and any additional picks can be whenever.

 

[shmessy]

Sure. Btw: I was not implying your drafting idea was inconceivable. It is a plausible way of handling a JG trade. For me personally I would rather take the draft points now instead of gambling on what they could be later. That's all.

Actually I would rather see the first round pick this year and any additional picks can be whenever.

I hear ya. Just coming at it from a different angle as the needs for the Pats aren't as great right now as they may be in the future - - - and the draft this year is very deep according to those who know this crap.

 

[Tony2046]

I hear ya. Just coming at it from a different angle as the needs for the Pats aren't as great right now as they may be in the future - - - and the draft this year is very deep according to those who know this crap.

I will never know what a deep draft truly is. Is it Mel Kiper deep? If you know what I mean. It's all subjective in the end.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Hi, I am Peter King. In tomorrow's column of Monday Morning Quarterback, I will compile a whole bunch of very well-known events around the league that everyone already knows about, and I will also add several banal quotes from sources that confirm obvious things that people already know about. It's a must read.

Throw in some crappy Starbucks references, a high school sports team in NJ and how he had difficulty getting from one place to another, like he's the only one who ever had travel snafus..............

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, but the TRADING PARTNER team thinks that also. This way, the Pats can get more out of the trade to begin with.

This is a deep draft (according to all the folks who analyze things like that). An early 3rd this year may be actually worth a 2nd in a normal draft.

Best of all worlds. 3-2-1. And cap-wise/position-wise for the Patriots, the TIMING for a 1st round QB may be optimal in 2019.

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That would be a terrible deal if you actually could get a 2017 1.
Just trade back. You could trade a 1 this year for a 3 this year and a 1 next year if it's high enough.
Value wise 3-2-1 is 3 current 3s as the norm is a year removed is a round removed.

 

[jimnance]

Because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
They could always trade the first rounder out if they wanted to...but only if they had it.

Disagree. Id rather have my bird in the bush than in my hand.

 

[NormZauchin]

I will never know what a deep draft truly is. Is it Mel Kiper deep? If you know what I mean. It's all subjective in the end.

I'd trade out of Mel Kiper deep draft.

 

[Clonamery]

Disagree. Id rather have my bird in the bush than in my hand.

I have to laugh and agree to this.

 

[Jlaff]

Has anyone come up with this as a possibility as a trade package for Jimmy G?

3-2-1.

A 3rd round pick for 2017
A 2nd round pick for 2018
A 1st round pick for 2019

Think about it------ unless Brady gets hurt, he has 3 good years ahead.

Why not stack the team and then, if Brissett hasn't earned the full confidence of the Pats coaching staff and his next contract after the 2018 season, the Pats can go 1st round pick for QB in 2019.

The timing would be right.

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This thread escalated into a discussion on Garoppolo's trade value rather quickly.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Back on topic. If a child crawled into a Peter King enclosure, would you be willing to do what's necessary?

 

[shmessy]

This thread escalated into a discussion on Garoppolo's trade value rather quickly.

I'm sorry, its a Patsfans website. We'll bring it right back to whether washed up Romo is a good fit for the Texans and Peter King's political views as soon as ........anyone here gives a ****.

That being said, King did indeed address Garropolo value to teams in the column and that is what most of us focused upon.
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[billdog3484]

Has anyone come up with this as a possibility as a trade package for Jimmy G?

3-2-1.

A 3rd round pick for 2017
A 2nd round pick for 2018
A 1st round pick for 2019

Think about it------ unless Brady gets hurt, he has 3 good years ahead.

Why not stack the team and then, if Brissett hasn't earned the full confidence of the Pats coaching staff and his next contract after the 2018 season, the Pats can go 1st round pick for QB in 2019.

The timing would be right.

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i think thats too little. i think most people downgrade the value of draft picks by 1 round every year out. so for example, the 2nd in 2018 would have Present Day Value of a 3rd round pick. and the 2019 1st would have Present Day Value of a 3rd Round pick (1st Round minus 2 years/2 rounds). so in your example, some would see it as Jimmy for Present Day Equivalent 3 3rd Round picks.

i dont think we should trade jimmy, but if we did, I would say it has to be a top 15 pick this year, plus something like a 2nd or 3rd rounder this year or a good player on the team we are trading with.

 

[archstanton543]

Don't count on it any time soon. They all think they are something special who need to endow us with their "enlightenment".

How Sportswriting Became a Liberal Profession

I want to know how Sportswriters all became Bruce Springsteen fans.

 

[n6249c]

Don't count on it any time soon. They all think they are something special who need to endow us with their "enlightenment".

How Sportswriting Became a Liberal Profession

My big problem with politics is the simple-minded insistence on shoe-horning everything into a one dimensional left-right conservative-liberal spectrum, just so they can impose their own narrative on nuances they can't comprehend. That, and using "liberal" or "libtard" as epithets without realizing that just displays their own narrow-minded bigotry. I'd include the same sort of name-calling from the other end of the spectrum if it seemed more common, but those folks don't seem as inventive when it comes to the vocabulary of name-calling.