Ed Werder: Jimmy G NOT expected to be traded

[Ring 6]

He had post traumatic stress syndrome? From getting sacked? Its not like he was getting blown apart by grenades.

Thats almost 5 sacks a game. Thats a lot but PTSD?

Being thrown into that ruined him.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Stop with the franchise and trade talk next year.
(1) Franchising him ties up our cap during FA until a deal is done. NOT a good idea.
(2) More importantly franchising him makes him immediately cost $$$ to the team signing him. Unlike trading him THIS year on a cheap tryout deal, next year a GM has to bet years of BIG bucks that JAG is a franchise QB. The risk involved will limit the bids...severely. And the draft pick will be markedly lower assuming that someone will even take that huge risk.
So NO.

 

[mosslost]

Report: Jimmy Garoppolo Not Expected To Be Traded

He says his sources within the organization are suggesting they will hold onto him. Not sure i believe this. Are they just going to let him walk after 2017?

I go back and forth. I feel like the BEST reason to keep Jimmy is not necessarily the replacement heir plan, but the safety on next seasons SUper Bowl run. If the team is good enough next year, and Brady had to miss some games, Jimmy could keep us in the hunt for HFA, etc.

Keeping him just so next season's Super Bowl run is safe is the best reason to keep him.

The next best reason is very unlikely and that is if somehow Brady wants to suddenly stop playing or is seriously hurt, then it's Jimmy's era for better or worse.

I am at the point where I think the Pats will ONLY trade him if the deal is rediculus. (Like both Cleveland's picks or something)

Or they are just driving up the price. I really know nothing.

 

[GoBlue]

It's all up to Jimmy. If he says he wants to play QB somewhere and isn't happy sitting for another 3-5 years then the Pats have to trade him this year or lose their option next year.

 

[Ring 6]

It's all up to Jimmy. If he says he wants to play QB somewhere and isn't happy sitting for another 3-5 years then the Pats have to trade him this year or lose their option next year.

If he says he is happy sitting 3-5 years they should make sure they trade him.

 

[Simpelton]

He had post traumatic stress syndrome? From getting sacked? Its not like he was getting blown apart by grenades.

Thats almost 5 sacks a game. Thats a lot but PTSD?

It's more likely than you might think. Football can be a traumatic game. All that you need for PTSD is repeated heavy trauma. I don't see why NFL level football couldn't give a kid PTSD. It's certainly capable of delivering trauma in the right circumstance, and for PTSD, getting the right circumstances consistently enough to yield a permanent psychological impact that's all that's required, really.

 

[Simpelton]

Brady will be the starter in 18

We hope so, but once the big 4-0 happens, you really do have to take any athlete year by year. I'll worry about 2018 when 2017 is over. But I'm going to have as much insurance as possible in place right now because I, personally, feel that TB12 is currently, and for the rest of his career, one more major injury away from calling it quits. He knows it too, that's part of what that new workout regimen of his is all about and why he talks up its virtues in making himself more resistent to injury

There's a reason that David Ortiz retired in his year 40 season. Brady may make a similar decision before or after any given year. That's why having a successor who's at least worth gambling on in any given season is going to be important for as long as the GOAT continues to be playing here.

 

[Ring 6]

We hope so, but once the big 4-0 happens, you really do have to take any athlete year by year. I'll worry about 2018 when 2017 is over. But I'm going to have as much insurance as possible in place right now because I, personally, feel that TB12 is currently, and for the rest of his career, one more major injury away from calling it quits. He knows it too, that's part of what that new workout regimen of his is all about and why he talks up its virtues in making himself more resistent to injury

There's a reason that David Ortiz retired in his year 40 season. Brady may make a similar decision before or after any given year. That's why having a successor who's at least worth gambling on in any given season is going to be important for as long as the GOAT continues to be playing here.

Youvsaid make Jimmy g the starter in 2018. That would involve cutting Brady.

 

[Simpelton]

Actually I didn't say make Jimmy G the starter in 2018. That was someone else. I was just responding to a statement made with more certainty that it deserved.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It's all up to Jimmy. If he says he wants to play QB somewhere and isn't happy sitting for another 3-5 years then the Pats have to trade him this year or lose their option next year.

Jimmy doesn't strike me as the type to just sit around and hold the clipboard. I like him so I hope he gets his chance elsewhere.

 

[Gwedd]

It's more likely than you might think. Football can be a traumatic game. All that you need for PTSD is repeated heavy trauma. I don't see why NFL level football couldn't give a kid PTSD. It's certainly capable of delivering trauma in the right circumstance, and for PTSD, getting the right circumstances consistently enough to yield a permanent psychological impact that's all that's required, really.

I think that you are mistaking PTSD for TBI: Traumatic Brain Injury. The latter can cause all sots of issues that are, is some small way, similar to those associated with PTSD, but the two are, in the end, quite different. TBI can cause personality issues, short-term memory issues, and anger as a result of the frustrations it can cause.

I have PTSD. Despite claims to the contrary, it cannot be cured, just managed. TBI is similar in that vein. Both can make life difficult, but I just don't see the possibility of football causing PTSD . PTSD is the result of participating in traumatic events. TBI is the result of physical trauma, period.

 

[Gwedd]

FWIW, all this speculation about trading Aladin for Cleveland's picks is pretty much moot until we see what's up with ROMO. He'd be a perfect fit for Cleveland, at less money than Jimmy G, and be able to hold the fort for a year or two while they found the franchise QB they need.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

FWIW, all this speculation about trading Aladin for Cleveland's picks is pretty much moot until we see what's up with ROMO. He'd be a perfect fit for Cleveland, at less money than Jimmy G, and be able to hold the fort for a year or two while they found the franchise QB they need.

There's no way romo would sign with cleveland (if cut by dallas).

 

[mike_usagisan]

Stop with the franchise and trade talk next year.
(1) Franchising him ties up our cap during FA until a deal is done. NOT a good idea.
(2) More importantly franchising him makes him immediately cost $$$ to the team signing him. Unlike trading him THIS year on a cheap tryout deal, next year a GM has to bet years of BIG bucks that JAG is a franchise QB. The risk involved will limit the bids...severely. And the draft pick will be markedly lower assuming that someone will even take that huge risk.
So NO.

Yet, that's exactly what they did with Cassel.

 

[Simpelton]

I think that you are mistaking PTSD for TBI: Traumatic Brain Injury. The latter can cause all sots of issues that are, is some small way, similar to those associated with PTSD, but the two are, in the end, quite different. TBI can cause personality issues, short-term memory issues, and anger as a result of the frustrations it can cause.

I have PTSD. Despite claims to the contrary, it cannot be cured, just managed. TBI is similar in that vein. Both can make life difficult, but I just don't see the possibility of football causing PTSD . PTSD is the result of participating in traumatic events. TBI is the result of physical trauma, period.

And again, I really don't see what is inaccurate about saying that NFL football can deliver both physical and psychological trauma. There's a lot of football that resembles simulated combat, I don't see what's so crazy about the notion that football players can experience psychological conditions similar to combat veterans.

 

[50-yard-line]

Who is an emerging great receiver???
Who is a shutdown corner???
Look you can feel whatever you want about how they will act. Im saying how I see it. We will know soon enough.

Pryor (and will Gordon be back?)

Haden

I'm not attacking you for what you post. I'm just posting my thoughts on it.

 

[IllegalContact]

Franchise tag is around $20 million for a QB. Unless Brady retires (not gonna even consider being traded) there is no way you can pay that to JG. For starters, that's more than Brady makes, and two if you gave them both the same pay you'd have $40 million a year in QB salaries.

So, I think you're down to 1 or 3. He's getting traded unless there is just no market for him and its looking like a great market for the Pats right now.

simply not true......they pulled it off with cassell and will do the same with JG

they have much more cap space now than they had then too

#2 would be the intelligent way to go unless multiple 1st rounders can be had

they could have gotten a 1st rounder for cassell but stayed with the deal than ultimately led to patrick chung

 

[Simpelton]

simply not true......they pulled it off with cassell and will do the same with JG

I think the Cassel situation is very different because you knew that once you got your franchise QB back, he'd be back for years, so Cassel was completely expendable. Brady is within a handful of years of the end, that changes the dynamic when it comes to Garoppolo.

I'm not saying they won't do exactly what you're saying. It could be a smart move if Brady has at least 3 years in him, and that's possible. I am saying that it's riskier to trade Garoppolo than it was to trade Cassel, and it's possible that teams aren't willing to compensate us properly for that extra risk.

 

[IllegalContact]

I think the Cassel situation is very different because you knew that once you got your franchise QB back, he'd be back for years, so Cassel was completely expendable. Brady is within a handful of years of the end, that changes the dynamic when it comes to Garoppolo.

I'm not saying they won't do exactly what you're saying. It could be a smart move if Brady has at least 3 years in him, and that's possible. I am saying that it's riskier to trade Garoppolo than it was to trade Cassel, and it's possible that teams aren't willing to compensate us properly for that extra risk.

there seems to be a consensus out there that
A - Garoppolo is a far better QB than anyone in the draft
B - Garoppolo is a better QB than Cassell

now they may not get as much as they would this year, but they're draft picks which are purely random potential

to me the value resides with the year (2017) and where the Pats may be at this time next year with BRady being 40, he could still have plenty of time left but recovering from injury will make that a completely different story.....I would rather have JG for another year for that difference in what you will get in return for him...but that's just me

 

[Ring 6]

Pryor (and will Gordon be back?)

Haden

I'm not attacking you for what you post. I'm just posting my thoughts on it.

Prior is not a GREAT RECEIVER.
Haden has been pretty cadcthe last 2 years.

In any event 3 players doesn't make a team and my point is I think they are prioritizing depth and developing 22 capable starters. To spend capital in getting the QB first doesn't seem like their plan.
They spent a 3 on Kessler last year and he played ok. I'm not sure they are jimmy g as such a huge upgrade over the guy they drafted in the 3rd that they should give away premium picks they can use, most likely to build the trenches.