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Pats claim WR Michael Floyd

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Please stop using Spotrac as a source for the Patriots salary cap space number. They are off by a couple of million. Recommend using patscap.com or the official site NFL Players Association - Public Salary Cap Report
Miguel, my old friend, I don't even know what Spotrac is or where I would go to find it. The numbers I used were what I thought were the numbers I recall being used here as the Pats cap space. So I was surprised when I just went to your page, to see that it actually was around $7.5MM and now $6.3MM after the Floyd signing. I have no idea what happened to lower that number from the $9MM that had been talked about, though I'm sure you do. So I may be guilty of using the wrong number, but never guilty of disloyalty.

BTW- in any event my point remains the same, whether it was 9MM or 7.5MM, the Pats had plenty of money to make this move and not significantly effect their cap situation this season or next.
 
I wouldn't call that one the crime of the century. McAfee seems like a good dude. I thank him for not driving that night.

Agree completely.

Its the NFLs selective stance on morality that I have the issue with.
 
Jim Ursay is example number one that there are 2 legal systems in the US. One for the rich and one for everyone else. The death of his mistress being a perfect example, as well as his DUI and drug binge. If Aaron Hernandez had been a owner in the NFL, he'd be at the next league meetings in Hawaii or some other resort destination, instead of in Walpole for the rest of his sorry life.

Lock Him Up!
 
I am not a cap expert but can someone tell me how much cap space we will have next year? I though they would have close to 70 million with the cap going up.
 
Where is the 3rd Rd comp pick projection coming from? Are you thinking hes going to get a big deal?

Based on his situation theyd be lucky to get a 5th

I didn't actually see the Perillo piece, but thought I saw pick 110 mentioned by others. Actually, 110 is a really weird number to use now that I think of it. It's doubtful there would be 14 3rd-round comp picks.

I'm not an expert in comp picks, but this page seems to think $9M is the range for 3rd/4th round tenders, while 4th/5th should fall just under $7M from last off-season.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart - Over the Cap

Obviously Floyd comes with issues, but it really only takes one team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Floyd get a similar deal to Sanu and Jones from the Bengals last off-season.

Sanu's best season had 790 yards, while his contract year was down to 394 yards, yet he got a 5 year, $32.5M with $14M guaranteed. Marvin Jones had 816 yards in his contract season after missing 2014 with injury. He got a 5-year, $40M deal with $20M guaranteed.

Floyd is better than both and has the numbers to back it up, but has the obvious DUI questions. But with an extra $10-$15M projected on the 2017 cap, it's possible a similar deal to Sanu/Jones could net a 4th, and possibly a 3rd. And depending on his Patriots audition, potentially more.

There aren't a ton of big name free agent WRs in this off-season. Alshon Jeffery is the obvious #1, except now he's returning from a 4-game suspension due to PEDs and has his own question marks. Emmanuel Sanders is available, although isn't necessarily an outside guy. DeSean Jackson is the other big name. Other than that, you're looking at...Terrance Williams? Markus Wheaton?

If I had to guess (because I'm not an expert), it's probably closer to a 4th rounder than a 3rd rounder. That might push the pick back into the 130 range, but the math still more or less is similar (3.7 above career AV for pick 130 vs. 4.7 for pick 110). All the guys I projected were in that range anyways so the math more or less remains the same. Someone smarter (or more motivated) could probably dump multiple data sets into Excel to get better comparables, but more or less should reach the same conclusion.

Even without the comp pick, I love the rental. It's a chance to see if you even want to make an offer on this guy. I thought the Patriots would kick the tires in the off-season, but now you get to actually see if he works in the system or not before committing a ton of money. Think about what we paid Amendola in his first contract, only to see Jules overtake him. Dola has carved out a nice role for himself, but he was clearly overpaid initially and we were projecting what he could be. Chris Hogan is another projection, and it has worked out fine, although it could have been bad. We basically get to try out Floyd beforehand to see if he fits or not. For that reason alone, I love this claim.

Also, bear in mind we are not guaranteed a comp pick. BB might sign some crazy free agent deal that cancels it out. Who knows? But in general, buying draft picks for that type of money is good business.
 
I didn't actually see the Perillo piece, but thought I saw pick 110 mentioned by others. Actually, 110 is a really weird number to use now that I think of it. It's doubtful there would be 14 3rd-round comp picks.

I'm not an expert in comp picks, but this page seems to think $9M is the range for 3rd/4th round tenders, while 4th/5th should fall just under $7M from last off-season.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart - Over the Cap

Obviously Floyd comes with issues, but it really only takes one team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Floyd get a similar deal to Sanu and Jones from the Bengals last off-season.

Sanu's best season had 790 yards, while his contract year was down to 394 yards, yet he got a 5 year, $32.5M with $14M guaranteed. Marvin Jones had 816 yards in his contract season after missing 2014 with injury. He got a 5-year, $40M deal with $20M guaranteed.

Floyd is better than both and has the numbers to back it up, but has the obvious DUI questions. But with an extra $10-$15M projected on the 2017 cap, it's possible a similar deal to Sanu/Jones could net a 4th, and possibly a 3rd. And depending on his Patriots audition, potentially more.

There aren't a ton of big name free agent WRs in this off-season. Alshon Jeffery is the obvious #1, except now he's returning from a 4-game suspension due to PEDs and has his own question marks. Emmanuel Sanders is available, although isn't necessarily an outside guy. DeSean Jackson is the other big name. Other than that, you're looking at...Terrance Williams? Markus Wheaton?

If I had to guess (because I'm not an expert), it's probably closer to a 4th rounder than a 3rd rounder. That might push the pick back into the 130 range, but the math still more or less is similar (3.7 above career AV for pick 130 vs. 4.7 for pick 110). All the guys I projected were in that range anyways so the math more or less remains the same. Someone smarter (or more motivated) could probably dump multiple data sets into Excel to get better comparables, but more or less should reach the same conclusion.

Even without the comp pick, I love the rental. It's a chance to see if you even want to make an offer on this guy. I thought the Patriots would kick the tires in the off-season, but now you get to actually see if he works in the system or not before committing a ton of money. Think about what we paid Amendola in his first contract, only to see Jules overtake him. Dola has carved out a nice role for himself, but he was clearly overpaid initially and we were projecting what he could be. Chris Hogan is another projection, and it has worked out fine, although it could have been bad. We basically get to try out Floyd beforehand to see if he fits or not. For that reason alone, I love this claim.

Also, bear in mind we are not guaranteed a comp pick. BB might sign some crazy free agent deal that cancels it out. Who knows? But in general, buying draft picks for that type of money is good business.

Good post. Y'know if Floyd does hit the cover off the ball here he could easily get a pretty good deal from another team. In that scenario your thinking of the Pats landing a 4th makes a ton of sense.
 
Anything else you'll read in this 29 page thread (of which I've participated heavily), is a combination of speculation, hopes, and conjecture. Other than that we'll just have to see how it goes going forward.

Just think of the time you saved.

You forgot jokes, slagging the Colts, the Jim Irsay/Jeff Saturday clown show and a number of completely off-topic posts. Hence why it's 29 pages and counting and why I'm wasting my own time, personally.
 
This is a long thread for someone who could easily be cut in a few days.
 
I am very excited for this great signing by BB. A big, physical outside the numbers WR that completes our dynamic offense. A guy that will come in here with a huge chip on his shoulder who will look over in the huddle at the GOAT and realize that Tommy will maximize his talents like Tommy has with everyone else.

Michael Floyd is gonna open our eyes. What a great addition to this team heading down the home stretch.
 
This is a long thread for someone who could easily be cut in a few days.

You could have said the same thing about Tim Tebow. I believe his thread was longer.....
 
It would shock me & be extremely dissapointing if he was cut after shelling out 1.3 M in cap money.
 
You could have said the same thing about Tim Tebow. I believe his thread was longer.....

I (along with many) probably did...that was the easiest cut to forecast of all time. The signing had to be some kind of favor to someone.
 
Not all Colts are IRsay



Unless these poor souls are related to Irsay of course ..
 
It would shock me & be extremely dissapointing if he was cut after shelling out 1.3 M in cap money.

Extremely disappointing, why? It's not your $1.3M and the team has plenty of cap space.
 
It would shock me & be extremely dissapointing if he was cut after shelling out 1.3 M in cap money.
I don't see really it that way. What else are they going to spend the money on at this point in the season? There aren't many alternatives.
 
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