How much did we use zone blocking against the bucs?

[Frezo]

I saw zone blocking on Morris' first TD and the play before. The replay of the TD had an endzone shot after the commercial break that has a good view.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

I saw a lot of zone blocking in the last game. I even saw a couple of stetch plays. The stretch is easy to pick out.

 

[letekro]

Thanks Unoriginal. You are a beast.

 

[SqivvyQ]

For years I've lurked obsessively re: bawston spawtz - here, KFFL, SOSH, ... -- but this is I think the first time I've ever posted. I just just now registered in order to post in this thread.

1. Mostly to say Thank you, Thank you, and thanks, unoriginal. I yearn for such.

2. I think there's a deep untapped market for this type of football education. As a nearly professional lurk n' browser, why have i NEVER seen actual gamefilm online? Nowhere really, save on that ESPN show with Jaworski (sp?).

3. Few fans really understand much of what's going on in football. I've learned a little here and from FO, but I watch play with just about the same awareness as when Sam Bam was rocking my ten year-old world. The running back carries the ball how far -- nice juke there; he's throwing the ball to that guy; Russ Francis was inteferred with in friggin Oakland; Ellis Hobbs did not intefere in the endzone last AFC CG. How to watch the lines, where the safety plays, stunts?, the genius defensive shifts and disguises BB concocts... I dunno Why and how does a playbook contain seemingly hundreds of plays? HTF does everyone memorize all that?

4. Speaking of my fav sports figure, it seems BB actually opens up, gets excited even, when talking about these kind of details, the nuts and bolts from studying game film, i.e. when he pulled out film from his father's career. Why isn't he asked to do so? Instead, the "journalists" whine on and on about BB's (typically tactical) reticence.

5. ... because, as has been noted, the sports media are too... dumb? lazy? Especially on TV and radio (especially the latter), we're given simplistic speculation on the "character", motivations, "chemistry", heart, motor, etc. of kids in their 20's. Pure gossip, and crappy gossip at that (Inside Track relies on sources more diverse than pulled-from-own-ass). And, geez, one of the few benefits to being older than a 26 year-old is getting past your 20s... I don't much care about kids' dramas and feelings. Sports' fourth estate should report and anlayze primarily what happens between the lines.

OK, I'll shut up (be grateful I'm a lurker!).

What's my point, beyond deep gratitude? I dunno, just more, more, more, please; is game film, no matter the age, ever available? Can we kidnap BB and force him to break film down, say LT's greatest hits? Football is so complex, and he seems the best not only at the analysis but also making it understandable, insightful, educational, fun. BB and "fun", how remarkable would that be???

OK, now back to voyeurism...

 

[Vern]

For years I've lurked obsessively re: bawston spawtz - here, KFFL, SOSH, ... -- but this is I think the first time I've ever posted. I just just now registered in order to post in this thread.

1. Mostly to say Thank you, Thank you, and thanks, unoriginal. I yearn for such.

2. I think there's a deep untapped market for this type of football education. As a nearly professional lurk n' browser, why have i NEVER seen actual gamefilm online? Nowhere really, save on that ESPN show with Jaworski (sp?).

3. Few fans really understand much of what's going on in football. I've learned a little here and from FO, but I watch play with just about the same awareness as when Sam Bam was rocking my ten year-old world. The running back carries the ball how far -- nice juke there; he's throwing the ball to that guy; Russ Francis was inteferred with in friggin Oakland; Ellis Hobbs did not intefere in the endzone last AFC CG. How to watch the lines, where the safety plays, stunts?, the genius defensive shifts and disguises BB concocts... I dunno Why and how does a playbook contain seemingly hundreds of plays? HTF does everyone memorize all that?

4. Speaking of my fav sports figure, it seems BB actually opens up, gets excited even, when talking about these kind of details, the nuts and bolts from studying game film, i.e. when he pulled out film from his father's career. Why isn't he asked to do so? Instead, the "journalists" whine on and on about BB's (typically tactical) reticence.

5. ... because, as has been noted, the sports media are too... dumb? lazy? Especially on TV and radio (especially the latter), we're given simplistic speculation on the "character", motivations, "chemistry", heart, motor, etc. of kids in their 20's. Pure gossip, and crappy gossip at that (Inside Track relies on sources more diverse than pulled-from-own-ass). And, geez, one of the few benefits to being older than a 26 year-old is getting past your 20s... I don't much care about kids' dramas and feelings. Sports' fourth estate should report and anlayze primarily what happens between the lines.

OK, I'll shut up (be grateful I'm a lurker!).

What's my point, beyond deep gratitude? I dunno, just more, more, more, please; is game film, no matter the age, ever available? Can we kidnap BB and force him to break film down, say LT's greatest hits? Football is so complex, and he seems the best not only at the analysis but also making it understandable, insightful, educational, fun. BB and "fun", how remarkable would that be???

OK, now back to voyeurism...

Well said. I've watched football obsessively my whole life, but the only people I know who really learn anything about the game are those who played it at some level (high school or college). Baseball fans had people like Gammons and Remy and Eck to break down every (boring) detail of that game.

But when it comes to football it's like "just show a big hit and some coach making a joke" and that's all you get. You can't really buy books on this, not for the NFL level plays, and you can sit through hours of programming and learn NOTHING! Even the NFLN spends all it's time on transactions and news and reviews. Why not one or two hours a week on game film breakdowns? (Well, they have one show, where you get maybe three plays a week.)

Though I mostly follow the game from the "GM" side of things, it wasn't until sites like Football Outsiders and others that you could actually find detailed analysis of actual plays. I've learned more online in the last few years, than in 30 years of NFL TV and Newspaper coverage. Thank God for the internet!

 

[TripleOption]

Why not one or two hours a week on game film breakdowns? (Well, they have one show, where you get maybe three plays a week.)

They call them "hardcore x's and o'
s shows" and they believe there is a very limited market for them.

 

[Brownfan80]

Another "thanks unoriginal" post, though they are now becoming unoriginal themselves. Heh.

Great stuff though, seriously. Thanks!

 

[Krugman]

Good post Sqivvy(sorry if I misspelled that),you make some good points re the x and o stuff,and you are right on the money regarding BB and his breakdown of game films,thats a view of the man that many dont see,but its great to watch.

 

[unoriginal]

Too many nice comments to get to, thanks all for the compliments, I'm glad I could help. I view it as a little work early in the season will save me a lot of frustration later on.

To be honest, immediately after completing my 2nd post my reaction was "to hell with this!" It was a very time-consuming process to look at the film, take the screenshots, try to edit them legibly, upload them to the interwebs somehow, and then finally write my posts. I'd say all 7 shots took roughly 90 minutes. Again, all the respect in the world to Box and pats1, who do similar tasks on a weekly basis.

Plus, I wasn't too sure imageshack wouldn't just delete these images based on bandwidth draw. It's good to see they still are up.

The favorable reaction has caused me to reevaluate my initial thinking. I'll try to do some more of these as time allows.

To tide you over, I also did some shots of a play in the first quarter that I don't think many saw. The thread it was in fell down the board pretty quickly.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showpost.php?p=480801&postcount=29

 

[unoriginal]

I should also note that an unintented consquence of my posts has been to show Chris Hovan is absolutely a beast on that Bucs D-line.

 

[PATRIOTS-80]

To tide you over, I also did some shots of a play in the first quarter that I don't think many saw. The thread it was in fell down the board pretty quickly.

thanks for the screenshot!!! Your screen shot posts are some of the best posts I've ever read. I want to thank you for the work you put into it.

 

[cavtroop]

Unoriginal

These posts are freaking phenominal. I saw the other one you linked to also. I LOVE these types of posts.

I'd also kill for a 'hardcore X's and O's' TV show, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon.

I didn't play any football growing up (way too small, too big of a school, etc.) so these posts are very informative. If you do one or two of these a game, I can't imagine how much I'd learn from them.

Again, thanks - the tons of time you put into them is very appreciated!

 

[PatsFan37]

I'm still working on figuring things out in slow motion: formations, types of coverages, missed blocks, who was beaten by who on a play. At game speed, only rarely can I spot these things, and when I focus on one guy I miss the rest of the play.

Your breakdowns, like Box and Pats1, make a big difference in helping out. Your diagrams are worth a thousand posts.

Great stuff. Thanks!!!

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Too many nice comments to get to, thanks all for the compliments, I'm glad I could help. I view it as a little work early in the season will save me a lot of frustration later on.

Always nice to have someone else step up and have fun with trying to use those abominable TV broadcasts to increase everyones enjoyment and understanding. I got started because I couldn't believe the bashing of Tom Ashworth in a preseason game and wanted a closer look to see if my eyes deceived me. However frustrating the broadcast is to see the action, it turns to real fun when you're plodding through the frame advance and suddenly see where some little action, insignificant at game speed, makes a play work. It helps you see more of the game in real-time, and it really makes you appreciate the guys we cheer for all the more. Now brace for a hungry fan base.