Bedard : Its superbowl or bust for BB after Collins trade

[luuked]

Let me rephrase. Share a personnel or game management mistake or 2 that Belichick has made.

How is this not one of the biggest possible personnel blunders that ever happened in the BB era ? Not sure what else you want..

Can't think of any obvious mistakes from the top of my head. Most of the stuff that is being criticized is pretty reasonable and while I might personally disagree with it I usually see the logic behind it and see no reason to point the finger.

Lets take the decision to give the Jets the ball as an example. On the surface I understand people being angry about not giving the ball to Brady.


But if you look at the game we had issues moving the ball for the entire game and were only in overtime because of that one, single drive that Brady and Gronk could hobble barely together (had to convert 2x a 4th down). On the flipside, after giving up a TD 2min into the second half after a Brady INT, our defense held the Jets for the rest of the game to a single FG.

So why not trust your defense to make another stop in OT and shorten the field needed to win the game with a FG. Situationally, it makes sense to me and I would hope he will make the same decision again if we get into a similar scenario.

Again, I can't think of any decisions that were simply stupid and can be directly blamed on BB because most of the things that backfired often has enough thought attached to it to make it reasonable upon review.

 

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[libra957]

Hehe so now Belichick is on the hot seat? this guy is soo maaaaad.

 

[RobertWeathers]

How is this not one of the biggest possible personnel blunders that ever happened in the BB era ? Not sure what else you want..

As it pertains to how BB handled Jamie Collins, how exactly is this a personnel blunder?

In your estimation, what exactly did he do wrong?

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

If Brady throws 4 INTs in the SB...we will all blame this on the Collins trade? **** off Bedard

 

[luuked]

As it pertains to how BB handled Jamie Collins, how exactly is this a personnel blunder?

In your estimation, what exactly did he do wrong?

I am not sure I understand your post. Maybe I can my point clearer..

I think that one of his biggest blunders was how he handled the Scar succession. He knew a year ahead, they put effort into making sure its a smooth succession by getting Daboll to be his understudy and then when Godsey left all of this prep went to waste because Daboll was moved to the TEs.

I don't see anything about the Collins situation to be a blunder. They knew exactly who Collins is, adjusted their schemes to emphasize his strengths and lessen his weaknesses and put a price tag on him that was significantly lower than what JC thought he was worth. He was gone either way.

 

[aluminum seats]

How is this not one of the biggest possible personnel blunders that ever happened in the BB era ? Not sure what else you want..

Can't think of any obvious mistakes from the top of my head. Most of the stuff that is being criticized is pretty reasonable and while I might personally disagree with it I usually see the logic behind it and see no reason to point the finger.

Lets take the decision to give the Jets the ball as an example. On the surface I understand people being angry about not giving the ball to Brady.


But if you look at the game we had issues moving the ball for the entire game and were only in overtime because of that one, single drive that Brady and Gronk could hobble barely together (had to convert 2x a 4th down). On the flipside, after giving up a TD 2min into the second half after a Brady INT, our defense held the Jets for the rest of the game to a single FG.

So why not trust your defense to make another stop in OT and shorten the field needed to win the game with a FG. Situationally, it makes sense to me and I would hope he will make the same decision again if we get into a similar scenario.

Again, I can't think of any decisions that were simply stupid and can be directly blamed on BB because most of the things that backfired often has enough thought attached to it to make it reasonable upon review.

The fact that you can't suggest a single personnel or game management mistake of Belichick's in 16+ years speaks volumes.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I am not sure I understand your post. Maybe I can my point clearer..

I think that one of his biggest blunders was how he handled the Scar succession. He knew a year ahead, they put effort into making sure its a smooth succession by getting Daboll to be his understudy and then when Godsey left all of this prep went to waste because Daboll was moved to the TEs.

I don't see anything about the Collins situation to be a blunder. They knew exactly who Collins is, adjusted their schemes to emphasize his strengths and lessen his weaknesses and put a price tag on him that was significantly lower than what JC thought he was worth. He was gone either way.

I apologize. I thought you were finding fault w/ BB re: how he handled the Collins situation.

re: Scar....I dunna know. I never saw Daboll as an o-line guy anyway and I don't think BB did either.

We can all agree that the hiring of Googs was perhaps BB's worst coaching personnel move. He went outside the org and it hurt him.

With that said they did win in Sb 49 and if the line was healthy last year they would have gotten by DEN so I think with hindsight 20/20, injuries exposed Googs

 

[RobertWeathers]

The fact that you can't suggest a single personnel or game management mistake of Belichick's in 16+ years speaks volumes.

BB admits that he messed up with how he handled Patrick Chung schematically....but he recovered nicely.

 

[luuked]

The fact that you can't suggest a single personnel or game management mistake of Belichick's in 16+ years speaks volumes.

I can barely remember any specific things from 2 years ago, so give me some examples of what you consider blunders and then lets talk about them.

 

[luuked]

BB admits that he messed up with how he handled Patrick Chung schematically....but he recovered nicely.

That's a good point and I totally agree that they misused Chung but then again was that an obvious mistake at that time ? Everyone around here just called Chung a JAG and was happy he was gone.

I don't remember anyone suggesting that they "blew it" with Chung.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's a good point and I totally agree that they misused Chung but then again was that an obvious mistake at that time ? Everyone around here just called Chung a JAG and was happy he was gone.

I don't remember anyone suggesting that they "blew it" with Chung.

Nope. Chung was oft-injured and a liability in coverage down the field. IIRC his tackling was spotty as well.

Since that time he has been incredibly durable, good tackler, good in coverage and the team has played him closer to the line.

Its a situation that the player has improved his play and the coach realized that he was not maximizing the talents of the player properly.

A win-win.

 

[aluminum seats]

I can barely remember any specific things from 2 years ago, so give me some examples of what you consider blunders and then lets talk about them.

No, if you have such trouble remembering things I can't take the time to walk you through hundreds of football games and personnel decisions.

Suffice to say, your inability to think of even one possible mistake Belichick had made in game management or personnel decisions renders your opinions here kind of irrelevant. Your position is that if Belichick does it, it is correct. Noted.

 

[luuked]

No, if you have such trouble remembering things I can't take the time to walk you through hundreds of football games and personnel decisions.

Suffice to say, your inability to think of even one possible mistake Belichick had made in game management or personnel decisions renders your opinions here kind of irrelevant. Your position is that if Belichick does it, it is correct. Noted.

So you are essentially a troll. I won't take any of my time then anymore to respond with longer answers to your replies because you are actually not interested in a discussion. Good to know.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

God, not this bunch of crap again. All of things you mentioned are completely non-sense.

You're right. What I just said was nonsense. That first half against Miami in Week 17 was pure genius!!! You must've been thrilled to see it unfold!!

SMH

 

[aluminum seats]

So you are essentially a troll. I won't take any of my time then anymore to respond with longer answers to your replies because you are actually not interested in a discussion. Good to know.

Get as hysterical as you like and resort to name calling. Doesn't change the fact that a discussion is precisely what I was looking for, but you said that you simply can't think of anything Belichick has ever done in game management or personnel decisions that you can imagine taking issue with. That pretty much closes the conversation, and I'm sorry but it makes your views on these decisions irrelevant to me because by your own admission you will always think Belichicks's decisions are correct.

 

[Nikolai]

I didn't read through all the posts, but has anyone brought up the 2009 team? When we go through the list of reasons that team didn't make it, usually it comes down to "wrong personnel", no heart, one-dimensional and predictable offense, and some toxicity among the team veterans (Thomas, Springs, etc).

Not too many people are quick to bring up the Seymour trade as a reason for 2009's failure. There are a couple similarities with that one and this one, even if people could have argued then that Seymour was on the down side of his career.

So if we don't make it this year, I think there will be a more concrete reason than the Collins trade. Injuries are still the biggest threat.

 

[qbno12]

I really wish teams can trade away local mediots to other cities .

I know I know, it's a stupid joke.

 

[luuked]

Get as hysterical as you like and resort to name calling. Doesn't change the fact that a discussion is precisely what I was looking for, but you said that you simply can't think of anything Belichick has ever done in game management or personnel decisions that you can imagine taking issue with. That pretty much closes the conversation, and I'm sorry but it makes your views on these decisions irrelevant to me because by your own admission you will always think Belichicks's decisions are correct.

Seems like you have reading comprehension issues. I said i cant even remember specific plays from anything that is more than a season away because my memory is simply not the best. Of course you took it to mean that I cant think of any bad call.

If you really are interested in a discussion then humor me and give me one of those decisions/plays that you consider blunders and lets talk about it.

 

[luuked]

You're right. What I just said was nonsense. That first half against Miami in Week 17 was pure genius!!! You must've been thrilled to see it unfold!!

SMH

There was considerably more crap in your post than that just the Miami game.