Does anyone else have a feeling that Donte's not fitting in?

[PATSNUTme]

We have been one whole week plus into training camp. That is certainly enough time to have feelings and make evaluations as to if a player is happy or will be cut.

The rest of Training Camp and the pre-season games are just a waste of time as all things have been determined by now.

 

[Rob0729]

no there isn't

Ok, why was he cut then resigned and then put on the IR? Last time I checked, it wasn't common practice to cut a player before training camp only to sign him a little bit later only to IR him. That was mysterious to say the least. If he was just injured, why did they not just IR him to begin with rather than cut him?

 

[Flying Fungi]

Holloway

http://www.alumniatlas.com/players/nflplayerpage.htm?ilkid=2321

5/28/2002 Holloway, who missed his entire rookie season with a knee injury, has been moved to an H-back, fullback position, which he's beginning to learn.

 

[vyrago]

Re: Does Anyone Else Have Feeling that Donte's Not Fitting In

I'm not totally sure if you're "wrong" but one thing I am certain of - this is a ridiculous, short-sighted, kneejerk, random, baseless, silly thread. Truly bizarre.

Then why the he!! is it soooooo looooong???

 

[Rob0729]

Holloway

http://www.alumniatlas.com/players/nflplayerpage.htm?ilkid=2321

5/28/2002 Holloway, who missed his entire rookie season with a knee injury, has been moved to an H-back, fullback position, which he's beginning to learn.

How is this proof? The Pats have to put him on the IR for a reason. The listed him as out for a knee injury. Please provide some proof with some details.

Even if he was injured, his knee injury could be a mild sprain for all we know. Pro Football Weekly last year said that their sources told them that Tebucky Jones was only minorly injured last year, but the Pats didn't want tie up a roster spot waiting for him to return in October.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Ok, why was he cut then resigned and then put on the IR? Last time I checked, it wasn't common practice to cut a player before training camp only to sign him a little bit later only to IR him. That was mysterious to say the least. If he was just injured, why did they not just IR him to begin with rather than cut him?

One hypothesis: the Pats are treating him well.

Stage one. Justise is injured and they cut him to save a slot with a view to perhaps re-signing him when he recovers (see under Kelley, Ethan).

Stage two. It is clear that he is seriously injured. The Pats re-sign him and put him on IR, thus saving the slot and securing him financially.

 

[Rob0729]

One hypothesis: the Pats are treating him well.

Stage one. Justise is injured and they cut him to save a slot with a view to perhaps re-signing him when he recovers (see under Kelley, Ethan).

Stage two. It is clear that he is seriously injured. The Pats re-sign him and put him on IR, thus saving the slot and securing him financially.

He was signed July 17, cut July 27th, and signed and IRed July 31st. You are talking four days between him being cut and resigned and IRed. Besides, they could have easily PUPed him to achieve the same thing. PUPed players don't count vs. the expanded training camp roster.

 

[Flying Fungi]

Claridge:

http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?ac=searchdetail&pid=12466&pcid=47

Additionally, New England placed rookie linebacker Ryan Claridge on the reserve/injured list with a shoulder injury.

 

[Flying Fungi]

How is this proof? The Pats have to put him on the IR for a reason. The listed him as out for a knee injury. Please provide some proof with some details.

are you kidding me? what do you want--some bloody gauze?

good grief--I'm out of this thread--you're twisted

 

[Rob0729]

are you kidding me? what do you want--some bloody gauze?

good grief--I'm out of this thread--you're twisted

No, but where is the proof other than restating the listed as the reason he was IRed. The Pats aren't going to IR someone and list it as "Protecting him so someone won't take him". You provided me with nothing to prove that it wasn't a way to protect the player from getting picked up by another team. Kliff Kingsbury was IRed for an injury too although he has intimated that it wasn't a serious injury.

You can find plenty of articles about Watson and Guss Scott talking about how their injuries are coming along the following preseason after being IRed. That is the type of proof you need. You provided me with evidence that was basically restating the IR report with no additional insight or even proof that they had knowledge of the injury beyond the IR report.

See you later.

 

[Mike the Brit]

He was signed July 17, cut July 27th, and signed and IRed July 31st. You are talking four days between him being cut and resigned and IRed. Besides, they could have easily PUPed him to achieve the same thing. Not if he's practised. Did he? I can't remember. PUPed players don't count vs. the expanded training camp roster. IIRC active PUP players DO, unless they are transferred to Reserve PUP

Is this right?

 

[Rob0729]

Is this right?

He never practiced. I didn't think either PUP counted vs. the roster, but I could be wrong there. If I remember though, the Pats came into camp this year with one or two extra roster spots. I could be wrong there though.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Call it a gut feeling. I stand by my concern. But please prove me wrong.

QB12

My friend's, cousin's, uncle's, little sister served Stallworth a latte at DD and he was whistling zippidy, do, dah out of his azz the whole time he was in there. He's obviously pleased as punch to be here.

This should serve as "prove" positive that your utterless baseless "gut feeling" is crap, RIGHT?

Help, help, the sky is falling.

Its a strange one. Not saying good or bad strange, just strange.

The guy is not hurt, but is on the PUP list? He does not know why he is on the PUP list? WTF

Make no mistake, no matter what kind of crap or conjecture you read on here or elsewhere, HE knows why he is there. We may not, but he assuredly does.

 

[patsox23]

I believe there is a roster-ish "accounting" reason for doing this, and that it is not really that uncommon. I don't have a link, but I think I heard it on PFW in Progress last week.

 

[patsox23]

I speculated because of his comments. People do it all the time on this board. Some people do it all the time on this board with even less evidence that I had.

This is not true. You have ZERO evidence. There is nothing less than that. As for the idea that the Patriots give tests - true. And then put guys on PUP if they fail - FALSE. Players go on PUP when they fail the conditioning test. Because, in the organization's opinion, the player is - quite literally - "unable to perform."

You are making stuff up. Please stop.

 

[Nordberg]

I should know this....but, is there a camp roster limit?

If there is....you might have your answer right there

 

[bigdgp]

Thank god I stopped to check this thread out. Can you give me some lottery #'s before I head to the market and get my ticket?

 

[CrazyDave]

Re: Does Anyone Else Have Feeling that Donte's Not Fitting In

I'm not totally sure if you're "wrong" but one thing I am certain of - this is a ridiculous, short-sighted, kneejerk, random, baseless, silly thread. Truly bizarre.

Oh Lord, please let the season start soon.
I've had as much off season as I can take.

 

[Rob0729]

I speculated because of his comments. People do it all the time on this board. Some people do it all the time on this board with even less evidence that I had.

This is not true. You have ZERO evidence. There is nothing less than that. As for the idea that the Patriots give tests - true. And then put guys on PUP if they fail - FALSE. Players go on PUP when they fail the conditioning test. Because, in the organization's opinion, the player is - quite literally - "unable to perform."

You are making stuff up. Please stop.

I am not making stuff up. I am speculating. I never said he definitely failed a test. I never said that that was definitely the reason he was on there.

There is evidence. It may not be evidence you want to accept, but there is evidence. What he said yesterday and the fact that the Pats do regular test their players on the playbook with penalties for failing being harsh are evidence. Who knows what the Pats require players to do before camp?

By the way, the Pats may consider that if you do not know the basics of the playbook that you are "unable to perform".

Noboy manipulates their roster as well as the Pats do. In doing so, they have consistently stretched the bounds the PUP and IR list. I have read threads in the past praising the Pats for doing so. Now that you don't like what I am saying, you are acting like the Pats have never treaded on grey areas with the PUP or IR? They do and so do a lot of other teams.

We are just repeat the same stuff now. Unless you have something new to bring, we are pretty much done with this thread.

 

[Pats726]

He never practiced. I didn't think either PUP counted vs. the roster, but I could be wrong there. If I remember though, the Pats came into camp this year with one or two extra roster spots. I could be wrong there though.

The active PUP does count against the roster...the RESERVE PUP of not active till at least the 6th week does NOT count. The team ddi not have any openings..they were in fact at the limit..in fat not sure where their last 2 final cuts were. AS does not count until he signs the tender..IF he/when he does.