DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION Draft Day 2: Official Rounds 2-3 Thread

[AtomicDawg]

Uh oh, Donkey fans won't like to hear this....

 

[Huckleberry1]

Notable recent Patriots Day Two Picks: Gronk, Chung, Collins, Ryan, Harmon, Spikes, Vereen, Ridley, Vollmer. There is some good value to be had here.

Appreciate the post. Unfortunately the draft brings out the same negative posters and posts that game threads do, and I just see no point in that. Imo the draft is about improvement and possibility and I don't know why anyone would care if they are focused on the negative. I can understand people being critical after picks are made, everyone is entitled to their opinions, however crapping on picks before they are made is simply idiotic, if they believe that it's going to suck then tune it out and find something else to do, b.tching about something that hasn't even happened is just stupid..

 

[DW Toys]

Seriously DW, you don't know what you are talking about. Two long term studies have both concluded the Patriots draft better than any team in football. Your hyper fantastical draft posts have no basis in reality.

Yes I think I do. They are about average. 17% success is about average during a three year term of a player working their way into the League. That will determine if the pick was a success. This includes Valuable back ups, Special Teams, Starter, Top tier Starter and Pro Bowl worthy. A high end Drafting Team is 23%-25%.

That means they have to hit that constantly in a three year evaluation time frame. Teams with bad records actually force feed more starters to skew those numbers. Teams like the Pats and Steelers, Cards etc. don't have those yearly needs so the hits of keepers are fewer because the roster talent is already there.

Teams that consistently pick up a player every Draft class equates to about a 14% success rate. If you get two per class you are average (1.7) after three years surrounding that class.

Use 2011 as an example. We have Solder who I would say is a top tier starter and Cannon who is a JAG and a potential cut of nine picks the 2 of them that are still with the Team. That is 11%.in 2012 you have one Starter remaining and one Special Team Player.etc. You can see where I am going with this. If you say the Pats are top of the heap at 17%-20% there are some scouts across the NFL that need to be working in Wal Mart.

My point is it is a pure guess for every Team. Do not glorify the Pats at 20% success. If you look at it like this, if he has a 40%-50% success rate in the Draft , than his pre-Draft roster was poopy with limited talent. It's a trade off.
DW Toys

 

[Peachhead]

We were 2 goddamn Owen Daniels TD's away from having a shot at repeating

Draft Jack and solve the whole covering tight ends in big games problem

No, we were about 20 QB pressures allowed from a shot at repeating. And Dante is back in the house. So that ain't happening again.

 

[NewFeep]

I feel like a big surprise is in the works and by monday the whole football world will be saying WTF!

Now, watch BB trade out of the draft and basically not do nothing noteworthy at all just to make a mockery of my sixth sense!

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yes I think I do. They are about average. 17% success is about average during a three year term of a player working their way into the League. That will determine if the pick was a success. This includes Valuable back ups, Special Teams, Starter, Top tier Starter and Pro Bowl worthy. A high end Drafting Team is 23%-25%.

That means they have to hit that constantly in a three year evaluation time frame. Teams with bad records actually force feed more starters to skew those numbers. Teams like the Pats and Steelers, Cards etc. don't have those yearly needs so the hits of keepers are fewer because the roster talent is already there.

Teams that consistently pick up a player every Draft class equates to about a 14% success rate. If you get two per class you are average (1.7) after three years surrounding that class.

Use 2011 as an example. We have Solder who I would say is a top tier starter and Cannon who is a JAG and a potential cut of nine picks the 2 of them that are still with the Team. That is 11%.in 2012 you have one Starter remaining and one Special Team Player.etc. You can see where I am going with this. If you say the Pats are top of the heap at 17%-20% there are some scouts across the NFL that need to be working in Wal Mart.

My point is it is a pure guess for every Team. Do not glorify the Pats at 20% success. If you look at it like this, if he has a 40%-50% success rate in the Draft , than his pre-Draft roster was poopy with limited talent. It's a trade off.
DW Toys

There's this other category . . . it's called playing for other teams. . . .

2011
1 Nate Solder = Patriots
2 Ras-I Dowling = Panthers (PS)
2 Shane Vereen = Giants
3 Stevan Ridley = Lions
3 Ryan Mallett = Ravens
4 Marcus Cannon = Patriots
5 Lee Smith = Raiders
6 Markell Carter = CFL
7 Malcolm Williams = out of league

Given that 2/3 of the players are still on someone's 53, I'd say that the worst you can say about this draft is that it was "solid." Yes, most of them are playing for other teams now, but you can't hold on to everyone. That's just the way the salary cap works.

 

[PP2]

Round 2:

1 (32). Cleveland Browns
2 (33). Tennessee Titans
3 (34). Dallas Cowboys
4 (35). San Diego Chargers
5 (36). Baltimore Ravens
6 (37). Kansas City Chiefs (from 49ers)
7 (38). Jacksonville Jaguars
8 (39). Tampa Bay Buccaneers
9 (40). New York Giants
10 (41). Chicago Bears
11 (42). Miami Dolphins
12 (43). Tennessee Titans (from Eagles via Rams)
13 (44). Oakland Raiders
14 (45). Tennessee Titans (from Rams)
15 (46). Detroit Lions
16 (47). New Orleans Saints
17 (48). Indianapolis Colts
18 (49). Buffalo Bills
19 (50). Atlanta Falcons
20 (51). New York Jets
21 (52). Houston Texans
22 (53). Washington Redskins
23 (54). Minnesota Vikings
24 (55). Cincinnati Bengals
25 (56). Seattle Seahawks
26 (57). Green Bay Packers
27 (58). Pittsburgh Steelers
28 (59). Kansas City Chiefs
29 (60). New England Patriots
30 (61). New England Patriots (from Cardinals)
31 (62). Carolina Panthers
32 (63). Denver Broncos

Round 3:

1 (64). Tennessee Titans
2 (65). Cleveland Browns
3 (66). San Diego Chargers
4 (67). Dallas Cowboys
5 (68). San Francisco 49ers
6 (69). Jacksonville Jaguars
7 (70). Baltimore Ravens
8 (71). New York Giants
9 (72). Chicago Bears
10 (73). Miami Dolphins
11 (74). Tampa Bay Buccaneers
12 (75). Oakland Raiders
13 (76). Cleveland Browns (from Titans via Rams)
14 (77). Cleveland Browns (from Lions via Eagles)
15 (78). New Orleans Saints
16 (79). Philadelphia Eagles
17 (80). Buffalo Bills
18 (81). Atlanta Falcons
19 (82). Indianapolis Colts
20 (83). New York Jets
21 (84). Washington Redskins
22 (85). Houston Texans
23 (86). Minnesota Vikings
24 (87). Cincinnati Bengals
25 (88). Green Bay Packers
26 (89). Pittsburgh Steelers
27 (90). Seattle Seahawks
28 (91). New England Patriots
29 (92). Arizona Cardinals
30 (93). Carolina Panthers
31 (94). Seattle Seahawks (from Broncos)
32 (95). Detroit Lions (Compensatory Selection)
33 (96). New England Patriots (Compensatory Selection)
34 (97). Seattle Seahawks (Compensatory Selection)
35 (98). Denver Broncos (Compensatory Selection)

Above is pre-trade draft ranking for round 2/3 starting at 8pm. Posting info here so no need to look elsewhere.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

The greatest thing that the Patriots could do is trade up in Round 2
to the first slot to stick it to Goodell; so the Patriot would lose their
pick at 29 but get to pick at 32, ha! I would love that soooo much.

 

[Joey007]

What's the point of this of kind of negativity?

Tavon Wilson
Duron Harmon (though I like Harmon)
Jordan Richards

Three out of the last four drafts

 

[Joey007]

Probley won't happen this year.

That's the hope, save the special teams aces for the bounty of 6th rounders we have.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Yes, please....

 

[jah]

There's this other category . . . it's called playing for other teams. . . .

2011
1 Nate Solder = Patriots
2 Ras-I Dowling = Panthers (PS)
2 Shane Vereen = Giants
3 Stevan Ridley = Lions
3 Ryan Mallett = Ravens
4 Marcus Cannon = Patriots
5 Lee Smith = Raiders
6 Markell Carter = CFL
7 Malcolm Williams = out of league

Given that 2/3 of the players are still on someone's 53, I'd say that the worst you can say about this draft is that it was "solid." Yes, most of them are playing for other teams now, but you can't hold on to everyone. That's just the way the salary cap works.

Good to see Markell latch on somewhere. I thought he would be a sleeper...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tavon Wilson
Duron Harmon (though I like Harmon)
Jordan Richards

Three out of the last four drafts

So what. It's still stupid to criticize something before it even happens. The negativity in this forum is f.cking ridiculous.

 

[Joey007]

So what. It's still stupid to criticize something before it even happens. The negativity in this forum is f.cking ridiculous.

I don't care.

I can't stand it.

 

[zydecochris]

So what unheard of safety will we be getting this year?

You realize that this is exactly what posters said about BB drafting so many tight ends about a decade ago (Graham and Watson in the 1st round, Thomas, etc.). Then they hit on Gronk (and the Inmate) and BB was able to trot out a completely new, match-up-nightmare multiple TE offense and everyone said "ohhhh, I guess that is why he drafted so many tight ends".

I am just waiting for BB's revolutionary "Brainiac Safety Defense" once one of these unheard of brainiac safeties becomes a big success.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't care.

I can't stand it.

That makes sense.

 

[The Gr8est]

Tavon Wilson
Duron Harmon (though I like Harmon)
Jordan Richards

Three out of the last four drafts

Tavon Wilson signed a contract with Detroit early in FA, Duron Harmon was worth the 3rd round pick used on him, too early to say on Richards.

 

[Joey007]

That makes sense.

3 out of the last 4 years.

It's not even being negative, it's just following recent draft patterns

 

[ZoisKing]

Look at all those picks for Tennessee. I like how they're attacking their rebuild.

 

[Joey007]

Tavon Wilson signed a contract with Detroit early in FA, Duron Harmon was worth the 3rd round pick used on him, too early to say on Richards.

True, to be fair it's too early to tell on Richards.