Pot Roast visiting - (UPDATED - He's Reportedly Joining the Team)

[Ross12]

Where's the beef, on the Patriots D-line apparently-
Although, I did hear it's a leaner pot roast than we are used to, dropped 30-40 lbs

maybe a quicker, more agile beast? Could be scary for the competition

Dude, you may as well post a naked woman on here. Why you gotta be like that?

 

[BradyFTW!]

I don't believe there is another sports forum that is anywhere near as obsessed with money as this one is. Its ******ed, the idea is to win, not to save as much money as possible. They know what they are doing and manage their roster and cap better than any team in sports. Get over it folks, it isn't about money It's about winning.

You can't separate one from the other. The teams that consistently win are the teams that understand it is about the money. Every roster decision the Pats make is driven largely by money, and the teams that disregard money as a primary factor--ie the teams making huge FA splashes every year because 'it's not about money, it's about winning'--are the teams that never win anything. Just look at the Saints over the last couple of years for a perfect example of what irresponsible spending can do to a SB contending team. They've been gutted, and lucky for us the Pats are smarter than that.

Other sports also provide less reason to care all that much about the money. The NBA has a soft cap and a relatively low max salary, so pretty much the only way you can really screw yourself over is by giving a long-term max contract to bad players. Anything short of that and you may be making it a little harder on yourself, but ultimately you'll be fine. Baseball has no cap at all, although that doesn't stop Sox fans from complaining more about their bad contracts than I've ever heard here on Patsfans. And kinda justifiably so, the fact that Pablo Sandoval is being paid $17M per year to be fat, have predictable lower back problems, and not play very well--all before age 30--should be aggravating to anyone who cares about the team. But all of that pales in comparison to the NFL. This is the one sport where we routinely see teams destroy their cap with shortsighted decisionmaking, and effectively ruin their chances at contention for the following 2-3 years.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I like Knighton, but not for $4.5M.

Yea, id have rather kept Hicks for that price.. but at least its a 1 year deal so there is no real risk.. The only thing they could probably do now as far as extending one of the key 3 is extend Hightower to free up some cap room.. but Collins and Butler on new deals would probably be a bigger hit this year.. they've spent almost all their money, so unless they cut some people, extend someone or restructure deals, they're basically done in free agency now

 

[AtomicDawg]

The guy posted a picture of the Patriots uniform on his Twitter account. How much more confirmation do you need?

Guess he needs a picture of him actually physically signing the contract, like Wilfork/Kraft.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Knighton
Brown
Branch
Easley
Jones

...yup, that's how babies are made.

haha, thats a very sexy rotation of dlinemen

 

[Froob]

I caught up with Bill Belichick and asked him what he thought about Terrance "Pot roast" Knighton. "Good, smart, instinctive player, does a lot of things well."

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I don't believe there is another sports forum that is anywhere near as obsessed with money as this one is. Its ******ed, the idea is to win, not to save as much money as possible. They know what they are doing and manage their roster and cap better than any team in sports. Get over it folks, it isn't about money It's about winning.

There is a salary cap, and the two ideas are actually connected.

It isn't about saving money so much as spending it on the right stuff. Every dollar you waste on something you don't need or shouldn't buy gives you less money to spend on stuff you do need or want.

This team has been successful for so long because of their obsession with money and saving it and not wasting it. It's why we rarely splurge on big-ticket free agents. It's why we often go after undervalued assets. It's why we don't draft wide receivers in the first round (bad value, according to this study). It's why we move on from players a year early rather than a year late.

It's no coincidence BB majored in Economics. And it should be no surprise that so much talk is about money. It's not that we are choosing money over winning; it's that money spent well leads to winning.

 

[Ross12]

So I figure primarily on first and second down you'd typically start Brown & Knighton, on third down Brown & Easley. Rotate Brown out for Branch sometimes, or specifically put Branch & Knighton on the field when you know the run is coming. Jones can sort of be the "Easley insurance" for if Easley is hurt again... Sheard can play a little bit of DT in too in a pure pass-rushing role, I think.

 

[Froob]

Yea, id have rather kept Hicks for that price.. but at least its a 1 year deal so there is no real risk.. The only thing they could probably do now as far as extending one of the key 3 is extend Hightower to free up some cap room.. but Collins and Butler on new deals would probably be a bigger hit this year.. they've spent almost all their money, so unless they cut some people, extend someone or restructure deals, they're basically done in free agency now

Idk, Pot Roast is more of a proven player. I'll take him over Hicks and Fairly. This will be our best run stuffing d line since 2004.

 

[Tony2046]

I merged the threads. In my opinion, it's more sensible to have one thread about the topic as it evolves, versus spreading out conversation across multiple threads, as half the posters will stay in the original thread continuing conversation and half will move to the new thread when they see it, and it becomes overly complicated.

Another Rookie Mod move?? WTF man!!! Keep this crap up and you might get cut before Dobson does.

 

[mgteich]

Been a heck of a free agency period so far. Some truly great additions to this team. What true holes still exist? RB?

CB

 

[The Brandon Five]

Idk, Pot Roast is more of a proven player. I'll take him over Hicks and Fairly. This will be our best run stuffing d line since 2004.

Interesting that we signed two Washington D-linemen.

 

[FCB02062]

I wonder if belichick has an eye on the schedule with this signing... Playing alot of teams that like to run so tried to "beef up" the run D? Similar to facing a bunch of good qbs in '14 and getting browner and revis. I know Seattle, Denver, NYJ (2x), Buffalo (2x), SF, Houston have been either run first or at the very least "balanced" teams. Not many 35-40 pass attempt teams on schedule next season....

 

[mgteich]

Now's the perfect time to dig up that thread claiming that they were up against the cap and couldn't really make any moves (gentle chiding only, please).

I said they were against the cap. I did NOT say that that we really couldn't make any moves. Money will have to be found. As you indicated last week, we have time to do that. Miguel has listed many choices.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Very nice. Who do people prefer, Potroast or Fairley?

The native New England-er.

 

[mgteich]

I don't believe there is another sports forum that is anywhere near as obsessed with money as this one is. Its ******ed, the idea is to win, not to save as much money as possible. They know what they are doing and manage their roster and cap better than any team in sports. Get over it folks, it isn't about money It's about winning.

You know why we (and Belichick) are obsessed about getting value for their cap money. In the end, managing cap money has been one of Belichick's greatest advantages.

 

[mgteich]

It was important to have three fatties to plug the middle. After losing Hicks and Siliga, we need to add a top run stuffer if possible. Belichick went after Fairly and Knighton. The key for me is not how much we paid or which of the three we signed. I suspect that any would be within a million or so of each other on a one year deal.

I key thing for me is that we now have a top set of run-stuffers: Brown, Branch and Knighton. And yes, Brown can be much more than that.

As of now, we also have Easley and Chris Jones. Obviously, we hope that we can upgrade Jones with a draft choice. After all, Branch and Knighton are on one-year contracts.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Idk, Pot Roast is more of a proven player. I'll take him over Hicks and Fairly. This will be our best run stuffing d line since 2004.

I dunno, 2005-2012 Vince Wilfork was downright dominant against the run. He's probably #2 though.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You know why we (and Belichick) are obsessed about getting value for their cap money. In the end, managing cap money has been one of Belichick's greatest advantages.

That is lost on a number people on this board.

Fans fall in love with players and/or don't understand that their true value to the team (or lack thereof) is how the team uses them and not their "market worth".

 

[RobertWeathers]

I dunno, 2005-2012 Vince Wilfork was downright dominant against the run. He's probably #2 though.

I think Froob needs to rethink his post.