Referee NFL Conspiracy

[XLIX]

So, in my post in which I said, the Patriots played very badly and have been playing badly for a while, and never said anything about deserving anything, you thought it would be smart of you to disagree. I'm done with you. Done with lamebrains that can't read.

In other words, you have no intelligent response. Just a lot of whining and crying and ridiculous conspiracy idiocy.

Go to the Jets board. You'll fit in much better there. This is a board for champions.

"The Patriots are one of the least penalized teams." - upstater1

 

[upstater1]

We are not talking about winning or losing, we are talking about opi's and if anyone has been paying attention we have been targeting for not. If you watch the games you see it clear as day. Other teams extend their arms no call, we do it and out comes a yellow flag. We league the league in it and by a large margin.

With that said. Coach didn't care about this game, he was just trying things out so don't get mad.

Precisely. And yet we have posters here who can't read at all and end up changing the subject. It's crazy. They're crazy.

 

[Gumby]

In other words, you have no intelligent response. Just a lot of whining and crying and ridiculous conspiracy idiocy.

Go to the Jets board. You'll fit in much better there. This is a board for champions.

"The Patriots are [historically] one of the least penalized teams." - upstater1

I think it was clear from the context that upstater meant to say it with the braketed text included. I think you are making a mountain out of this.

It is a legitimate POV that it should have been/could have been fish 200 penalty yds. If fish are below their avg and pats above their historical avg, saying is all fair cause fish>pats is a false comparison.

Also, others said it isnt necessarily the volume but the timing and what they take away.

Plus the defenders learn in 1q if they will get away with something, and add the +5yd grabs and holds to the repertoire in qtrs 2-4. if pats dont get same calls is inequitable and saps the team motivation.

 

[Canuck]

We are usually near the top in OPI just because of the number of passes we throw but this year the numbers are way out of whack with what is the norm.
2007 5
2008 1
2009 4
2010 6
2010 5
2011 5
2012 6
2013 2
2014 4
2015 11

Gronk 5 OPI for 69 yards
Martin 3 OPI for 30 yards
Edelman 1 OPI for 25 yards
Chandler 1 OPI for 10 yards
Dobson 1 OPI for 10 yards

Previously before this year Gronks last OPI was in 2012 when he had 1. He had none in 2014 and 2013.
It's clear that the msg was to clamp down on Gronk. Although as some have already posted, the DB's could maul Gronk down the field and not get called, if he did the slightest move to free himself, he was called for OPI.

6 OPI for a team is usually good enough to have you tied for first in OPI. Until last year there hasn't been more then 6 for the years I listed. Last year the Rams had 8.

The OPI is such an outlier because the Pats are next to last in penalties with 24 but 24th in penalty yards.

2015 2nd is Redskins with 7 and 3rd is TB with 6

 

[XLIX]

I gladly admit the referees do not know how to properly call Gronk. He is playing at an unprecedented level of physical domination. Typical TE bumps a CB, they play on. Gronk bumps a CB, the CB goes flying backwards, flag thrown.

But bad calls do not a conspiracy make. The tin foil hatters in here sound EXACTLY like the people who say "Patriots don't fumble much, therefore they're cheating."

In case anyone hasn't noticed, the officiating in the NFL sucks royally. Not a week goes by that someone isn't getting screwed.

 

[TBR]

It's infuriating how much contact is made with Gronk while the ball is either in the air or while running his route

Non-stop grabbing jersey, arm, shoulder pads, all down field

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

The simple fact that we were the 2nd fewest penalized team, yet lead the league in yards lost due to penalties says it all.
This stat was from around the Denver Game.

 

[TN patriot fan]

There is a clear pattern this season of penalties being called against the Patriots on big, game-changing plays, and penalties not being called on game-changing plays against the opposition. Anyone who can't see this is simply in denial, or doesn't know anything about football. There's no other explanation for the unconscionable OPI against Martin yesterday, and then defensive interference not being called as Gronkowski is mugged well past five yards from the line of scrimmage. Not to mention no penalty called on Suh for hitting Brady below the knees - it is after all a penalty now, and was egregious, and he should have been ejected, and it wasn't called at all. Just as the facemask on Brady as he lunged to recover his fumble was not called, just as holding wasn't called on the Dolphins but was on the Patriots, etc.

I think the Patriots should sue the league for collusion. There is video of every play. It would be pretty preposterous for the league to try to explain how Martin barely touching the defender was interference, but the defender grabbing Gronkowski's arms wasn't, or how Suh didn't really hit Brady below the knees though it appeared he did, or that no official happened to see Brady's facemask being grabbed as he was reaching for the ball though he's the quarterback, etc. The Denver game alone would make for some pretty interesting dancing on the part of the league in trying to explain blatantly obvious one-sided application of the rules; coupled with the other games the Patriots supposedly have lost this season, I think it would be a long day in court for the hallowed NFL.

I'm not saying the Patriots have not played, or coached, poorly at times; it astounds me how consistently poorly the secondary has played, for example. But the level of players in the NFL is such that if one team is allowed to play by a different set of rules than the other, it's all but impossible for the team being officiated against to win. There is a lot of money being made by the league every time the Patriots play, and an enormous amount of money being made in total every week including all of the games. A lot of people watch this sport; it's not acceptable for games to be fixed because the person charged with ensuring the integrity of the league is a puerile jackass who has decided to get his revenge for a lost court case via his refs.

 

[IllegalContact]

it most certainly WAS OPI against Martin......he had the defender straight-armed just before catching the ball

 

[upstater1]

it most certainly WAS OPI against Martin......he had the defender straight-armed just before catching the ball

Again, why not call the same thing on the other side? I saw players doing the same thing in all the other games yesterday with no calls. And why allow people to straight arm Patriots receivers and push them out of bounds 10 or 15 yards down the field?

 

[Haley]

We didn't lose this game because of the refs. But I am still mad about the Broncos game where I honestly feel we did.

 

[SLGDEV]

Yes, the Patriots have been playing bad the last few weeks, playing bad today as well...

But the OPI on Keyshawn Martin after the long passing play? Are you kidding me?

We have Dolphins draped all over Patriots, giving them full body chucks 10-15 yards downfield with absolutely no call. Gronk in particular has people grabbing his arm when he's going up for a catch, or getting two hand chucks when the ball is coming.

We've seen this over and over all year.

I have fought this urge for a very long time to say the NFL has colluded with the refs to fix things Wrold Wrestling style, but I'm at the end now.

Someone, lease, what explains these calls?

Watching on TV, I called that as obvious OPI before the flag was even dropped. Martin pushed off to gain separation. The replay confirmed that. It was an excellent call by the ref. (And I have been a loyal Pats fan since 1967 and never miss a game.) Yes, there have been ticky-tacky OPI calls on Gronk this season. However, the call on Marting was a correct call.

 

[IllegalContact]

Again, why not call the same thing on the other side? I saw players doing the same thing in all the other games yesterday with no calls. And why allow people to straight arm Patriots receivers and push them out of bounds 10 or 15 yards down the field?

I'm just talking about that play.......Martin had his arm fully extended on the back of the defender before making the catch......textbook OPI

it's been an emphasis in the league and the pats happen to have one of the guys(gronk) who makes it look unfair........that's life

this constant blathering about refereeing is getting old........ya, it appears the pats get the shaft from time to time.....but we've known that for almost forever......and yet we've been to more superbowls than most teams have had playoff games......hardly the victims you all make them out to be

it's tough at the top....everyone wants to knock you down

 

[upstater1]

I'm just talking about that play.......Martin had his arm fully extended on the back of the defender before making the catch......textbook OPI

it's been an emphasis in the league and the pats happen to have one of the guys(gronk) who makes it look unfair........that's life

this constant blathering about refereeing is getting old........ya, it appears the pats get the shaft from time to time.....but we've known that for almost forever......and yet we've been to more superbowls than most teams have had playoff games......hardly the victims you all make them out to be

it's tough at the top....everyone wants to knock you down

We see that play entirely differently. He didn't have his arm fully extended on the back of the defender. The defender was facing him so it would have been impossible to have his arm on the back. He pushed the defender on the front near the shoulder pads. But it was the typical hand fighting you see. There was much much worse in other games and it wasn't called. OPI gets called on the Patriots a lot, especially after big plays. And you see the flag thrown after the catch, naturally. The refs are simply predisposed to call this against the Patriots. The question I'm asking is, why?

Is the call defensible? Yes. But then why isn't it called all over the league? Why only for the Patriots?

 

[IllegalContact]

We see that play entirely differently. He didn't have his arm fully extended on the back of the defender. The defender was facing him so it would have been impossible to have his arm on the back. He pushed the defender on the front near the shoulder pads. But it was the typical hand fighting you see. There was much much worse in other games and it wasn't called. OPI gets called on the Patriots a lot, especially after big plays. And you see the flag thrown after the catch, naturally. The refs are simply predisposed to call this against the Patriots. The question I'm asking is, why?

Is the call defensible? Yes. But then why isn't it called all over the league? Why only for the Patriots?

it was textbook OPI...it was clear and yes his arm was fully extended on the back of the defender

 

[upstater1]

it was textbook OPI...it was clear and yes his arm was fully extended on the back of the defender

We must be talking about two totally different plays:

 

[IllegalContact]

We must be talking about two totally different plays:

save the irrelevant picture......I called the OPI before the refs did

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

Rae Carruth says hello.

AHern gave Rae a run for his money, wouldn't you say?

These boys have nothing on Ray Lewis, that murderer got away with it.

 

[Marko]

We are usually near the top in OPI just because of the number of passes we throw but this year the numbers are way out of whack with what is the norm.
2007 5
2008 1
2009 4
2010 6
2010 5
2011 5
2012 6
2013 2
2014 4
2015 11

Gronk 5 OPI for 69 yards
Martin 3 OPI for 30 yards
Edelman 1 OPI for 25 yards
Chandler 1 OPI for 10 yards
Dobson 1 OPI for 10 yards

Previously before this year Gronks last OPI was in 2012 when he had 1. He had none in 2014 and 2013.
It's clear that the msg was to clamp down on Gronk. Although as some have already posted, the DB's could maul Gronk down the field and not get called, if he did the slightest move to free himself, he was called for OPI.

6 OPI for a team is usually good enough to have you tied for first in OPI. Until last year there hasn't been more then 6 for the years I listed. Last year the Rams had 8.

The OPI is such an outlier because the Pats are next to last in penalties with 24 but 24th in penalty yards.

2015 2nd is Redskins with 7 and 3rd is TB with 6

What I find interesting us how these "so called points of emphasis" come about and who they really affect. Last year when we got Browner and Revis, and the Seahawks had embarrassed PM and the Broncos, they decided to "re-emphasize illegal contact", this year Gronk looks unstoppable so they emphasize OPI and let him get mugged. Watch the Jets receivers play and they pick and push off like they have a get out of jail free card.

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

I think the NFL has corruption, but to me all of its due to money. I do think they were out to get the Patriots, but to me everything they do is based off of what makes them more money.

Deflategate did not make the NFL lose fan support, all it did was gain them even more support and publicity as they had a topic that was heavily discussed throughout the offseason news headlines. They know that they are such a powerful machine that unfortunately, they know that even bad publicity is still good publicity for them.

I do think they make some bad calls, but I don't think they're out to get the Patriots in specific. They're out to get pretty much anything they can get.

You really think they're worried that if they don't get enough parity that they'll lose money? Think again.

BINGO!

Scripting games is an example of the "anything" they would do for profit. I don't think they are out to get the Pats. The Pats, well Brady, already received punishment for beating the chosen Seahawks in SB49. The Pats are just apart of the system like everybody else, who have been getting cheated or simply laying down to benefit certain teams. The Pats suspect play calling shows what they are willing to do for the greater good of the 32, because without the NFL, the Patriots are nothing, so they must stay in line and earn that paycheck, just like every other sucker. They know it's all about Cheaten Manning this season.

The Patriots are the top AFC draw out of everyone left. CBS execs are praying they are in the Super Bowl. So if there was a money/ratings based NFL conspiracy, then yes the Patriots would be the beneficiaries.

CBS would love to see old Manning play for one last ring before he retires. If you don't think that, that is a bigger draw than the Patriots winning their hundredth SB, then you are clearly mistaken.