Anyone got good links on the Pats/Jets Rivalry?

[RecoveringCowboy]

This is in the top 5 of NFL rivalries easily, like Dal/Wash, Pitts/Balt, Den/Oak.

I know someone threw napalm on this divisional rivalry, and hope to find links on the history.

Think Rex Ryan has helped make the rivalry more intense.

Also suspect the Boston/NYC rivalry factors in.

 

[Deus Irae]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ts-continue-to-suck-what-else-is-new.1103465/

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...e-2013-season-the-jets-suck-as-usual.1013561/

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...2-season-the-jets-mod-edit-still-suck.905362/

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...011-season-the-jets-suck-merged-a-lot.787244/

 

[mgteich]

IMHO, it is silly to think of the jets as a great rivalry for the patriots. Have they been in the SB in the last 40 years.

I understand all this NY-Boston nonsense, even with the huge number of Giants fans in NE, but rivalry is just too much for me.

The patriots have had rivalries with Miami and Indy. There have been rivalries with all things Manning. But for me, the jets are simply not worthy.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

What I meant is like from Grantland, a sports publication, etc.

Looking for the history thru the years, like Yankees/Red Sox.

 

[New England Pride]

What rivalry? Didn't know the hammer and the nail had a rivalry. This isn't 2010.

 

[FCB02062]

If you need a link you've only been a fan since the pats have won super bowls because prior to rhat both teams sucked with the occasional flash in the pan...

 

[shmessy]

If you need a link you've only been a fan since the pats have won super bowls because prior to rhat both teams sucked with the occasional flash in the pan...

The OP's name is "Recovering Cowboy". You can hold off on the pissing contest.

 

[jmt57]

If you need a link you've only been a fan since the pats have won super bowls because prior to rhat both teams sucked with the occasional flash in the pan...

If you bothered to check his screen name or any of his posts then it should be obvious that "RecoveringCowboy" has not been a life-long Patriots fan.

Your comment about the Patriots before 2001 is an overstated myth often used by fans of other teams that has been repeated so often that it has been accepted as fact.

In the Patriots' first forty seasons they had 16 losing seasons. While that's certainly nothing to beat your chest over (especially with no championships), the premise that the Patriots "sucked with the occasional flash in the pan" for their entire history is inaccurate. There are many teams that have had far worse 40-year spans: Bucs, Saints, Falcons, Bengals, Steelers, Cardinals, Lions... and many others that have had far worse ten-year periods than even the worst of any that the Pats ever did. If the Pats "sucked with the occasional flash in the pan" then they would have had far more losing seasons during that time period.

They were average during that time. Not great, but not the abysmal failure implied here either.

 

[jmt57]

Back to @RecoveringCowboy 's question.

I know there are better links out there somewhere, but here's a start.

Fifty Years Ago, Jets-Pats Rivalry Began

I just wish the article went further. In the early 1960s the Patriots had a very good team. In 1963 they went to the AFL championship, and the next season went 10-3-1 but missed the playoffs. Two years later the Pats headed into the final weekend on a five-game unbeaten (4-0-1) streak. The one game they didn't win was a 27-27 tie at Kansas City, and seemed destined to play them for the AFL championship. The winner of that game would go on to meet the winner of the NFL championship for the first time ever, in something that would become known as the Super Bowl.

All the Patriots had to do was beat a five-win Jets team. A Jets team that somehow had tied the Patriots in Boston earlier in the season, which resulted in the need to win in the final weekend of the regular season.

Second-year QB Joe Namath, who led the AFL with 27 interceptions that year, threw three touchdowns and no picks, and the Jets beat the Patriots 38-28. Buffalo took the East by a half game over the Pats, and KC ended up playing Green Bay in the 'AFL-NFL Championship Game'.

There has always been a rivalry based on the proximity (less than 200 miles), so many New York transplanted NY/NJ students going to school in Boston, and piggy-backing on the other sports rivalries (Red Sox-Yankees, Celtics-Knicks, Bruins-Rangers) of that time. Obviously it took a big leap when Parcells left New England to become coach of the Jets, but the roots of the rivalry go back much further.

 

[Deus Irae]

This is in the top 5 of NFL rivalries easily, like Dal/Wash, Pitts/Balt, Den/Oak.

I know someone threw napalm on this divisional rivalry, and hope to find links on the history.

Think Rex Ryan has helped make the rivalry more intense.

Also suspect the Boston/NYC rivalry factors in.

We just had a thread on some of it, R.C.. A lot of this rivalry is because of the Parcells situation. Before that, most fans of both teams considered the Dolphins to be the main rival.

For fans of the Patriots, that felt about as one-sided as the current Jets/Patriots rivalry must feel to the NYJ fan base.

Here's some stuff I pulled off of Google, but I haven't looked at any of it. I'm trying to get this in for you in between power outages (Lovely weather!).

I'll start you off with Will McDonough (a good friend of Parcells) giving his take on the Parcells/Patriots split. After that, I can't make any promises here....

http://www.boston.com/globe/packages/year_in_review/sports/parcellsquits.htm

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-engla...862/Jets-vs-Patriots-A-history-of-the-rivalry

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/10/15/bill-parcells-excerpt-bill-belichick-new-york-jets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jets–Patriots_rivalry

Best I can do right now. I'm sure others will be able to add some links.

 

[eom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jets–Patriots_rivalry

 

[Kontradiction]

http://www.google.com

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Search for Border Wars the term oft used "way" back in the Parcells-Carrol era.

 

[mgteich]

If you need a link you've only been a fan since the pats have won super bowls because prior to rhat both teams sucked with the occasional flash in the pan...

I take a different view. Check the record of the patriots from the time Kraft arrived and BEFORE winning the first Super Bowl. They did NOT suck.

IMHO, folks are simply spoiled. The Belichick-Brady era is unmatched in the history of the NFL. It does NOT follow that all others sucked!

 

[AzorianPats]

This is in the top 5 of NFL rivalries easily, like Dal/Wash, Pitts/Balt, Den/Oak.

I know someone threw napalm on this divisional rivalry, and hope to find links on the history.

Think Rex Ryan has helped make the rivalry more intense.

Also suspect the Boston/NYC rivalry factors in.

There is a hate their for sure, but I think as far as rivalries go Colts, Ravens, Steelers, Broncos and even the Giants are more of a threat.

Those Pats-Colts game were always a war.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

Thanks for the links, esp the non-generic ones Deus Irae provided. That and the background jmt57 provided.

This will provide a lot of interesting reading, including the Kraft/Parcells split....still reading that one, but if Parcells liked working with Jones over Kraft he's nuts - there is no comparison.

 

[shmessy]

This will provide a lot of interesting reading, including the Kraft/Parcells split....still reading that one, but if Parcells liked working with Jones over Kraft he's nuts - there is no comparison.

He may not be nuts, but he is a very inconsistent person..........

Brilliant and conflicted (and overrated).


.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

^ one thing for sure - Kraft is a better owner than Jones.

It's really puzzling Parcells said he enjoyed working with Jones, yet described Kraft as meddling. Simply makes no sense.

 

[Deus Irae]

^ one thing for sure - Kraft is a better owner than Jones.

It's really puzzling Parcells said he enjoyed working with Jones, yet described Kraft as meddling. Simply makes no sense.

Kraft was new to the position. He's admitted to mistakes, and he's certainly grown into the role.

 

[shmessy]

Kraft was new to the position. He's admitted to mistakes, and he's certainly grown into the role.

Both sides did:

Bill Parcells admits he regrets leaving New England Patriots a few years before their dynasty started | Shutdown Corner

""I regret leaving New England. Had we done things differently ... " Parcells told USA Today. "I had a good young team there. I hated to leave that team, because I knew what we could do.

"I was absolutely too headstrong. And he might have been a little headstrong, too. I think both Kraft and myself, retrospectively, would have done things a little differently."​