Amendola's snap count

[50-yard-line]

The thread is indeed an embarrassment, I agree. That said, Amendola and Brady haven't found enough of a rapport yet to warrant his salary, so most of us expect either an agreement to a salary reduction, or an outright cut in the spring.

I think Belichick was worried about losing Welker and overpaid a bit to get Amendola. Now that we have Edelman, they'll likely have to make an agreement or decision in the offseason.

Seeing as how Amendola is a board whipping boy though, you really can't be too surprised that he's seeing attention after one game--LOL.

In another thread, I said that the Pats should probably get rid of Amendola next year if they can't find a way to use him.

A receiver gets open, the QB won't throw him the ball...it's hard to blame the receiver. Even with the new big guys on the team, Amendola will measure out as the best blocker on the Pats WR corps, but you don't pay that much money to a blocker.

They're wasting him. I've always thought Brady had two issues as a QB (which aren't much when weighed against the positives). First, he has never been a good long-ball thrower. Ever. Moss made him look good in that department, because, well, Moss!

And second, more in recent years, Brady has binkie fever. A big part of that is probably due to the bad OL and the inability to check down as far as he'd like.

Bottom line: DA should have had a big game down in Miami, much like last year's opener. Whether it was game plan, Brady, or whatever, he was severely underutilized with the starting LB corp for Miami all out. And if DA was waived, he'd get grabbed up in a heartbeat.

 

[Ring 6]

In another thread, I said that the Pats should probably get rid of Amendola next year if they can't find a way to use him.

A receiver gets open, the QB won't throw him the ball...it's hard to blame the receiver. Even with the new big guys on the team, Amendola will measure out as the best blocker on the Pats WR corps, but you don't pay that much money to a blocker.

They're wasting him. I've always thought Brady had two issues as a QB (which aren't much when weighed against the positives). First, he has never been a good long-ball thrower. Ever. Moss made him look good in that department, because, well, Moss!

And second, more in recent years, Brady has binkie fever. A big part of that is probably due to the bad OL and the inability to check down as far as he'd like.

Bottom line: DA should have had a big game down in Miami, much like last year's opener. Whether it was game plan, Brady, or whatever, he was severely underutilized with the starting LB corp for Miami all out. And if DA was waived, he'd get grabbed up in a heartbeat.

Disagree. Brady goes through progressions. He will never know if a later progression is open if he throws to an earlier one. I can guarantee you Brady is not looking a receiver in his progressions that he feels is open and not throwing to him.

 

[Brady6]

I find only a bit of sarcasm and a bit of hyperbole in your post.

Patsfans.com has had lots of receivers that it defended more than Amendola.

It is all sarcasm. Lighten up MG you are going to give yourself an ulcer.

 

[Brady6]

In another thread, I said that the Pats should probably get rid of Amendola next year if they can't find a way to use him.

A receiver gets open, the QB won't throw him the ball...it's hard to blame the receiver. Even with the new big guys on the team, Amendola will measure out as the best blocker on the Pats WR corps, but you don't pay that much money to a blocker.

They're wasting him. I've always thought Brady had two issues as a QB (which aren't much when weighed against the positives). First, he has never been a good long-ball thrower. Ever. Moss made him look good in that department, because, well, Moss!

And second, more in recent years, Brady has binkie fever. A big part of that is probably due to the bad OL and the inability to check down as far as he'd like.

Bottom line: DA should have had a big game down in Miami, much like last year's opener. Whether it was game plan, Brady, or whatever, he was severely underutilized with the starting LB corp for Miami all out. And if DA was waived, he'd get grabbed up in a heartbeat.

So are you saying I need to start the transition to a new favorite player?

 

[50-yard-line]

So are you saying I need to start the transition to a new favorite player?

I've been wishing for more than a year now that you would just shut up about DA. Seriously, it became ridiculous a long time ago - and from an otherwise good poster. Now that you're putting it into the satire column doesn't make it much less annoying.

But hey, that's (not) just me.

 

[Brady6]

I've been wishing for more than a year now that you would just shut up about DA. Seriously, it became ridiculous a long time ago - and from an otherwise good poster. Now that you're putting it into the satire column doesn't make it much less annoying.

But hey, that's (not) just me.

Well for a real analysis on the game Amendola was the least of are concern. I agree with Andy on the progression factor. Most of Amendola's snaps occurred with Gronkowksi and LaFell on the field and Brady was forcing it to Gronkowski or trying to reinvent 2007s vertical offense with deep passes to LaFell. It really would not have mattered if Amendola was sitting in a lawn chair with a sign that said I am wide open.

 

[Ring 6]

Well for a real analysis on the game Amendola was the least of are concern. I agree with Andy on the progression factor. Most of Amendola's snaps occurred with Gronkowksi and LaFell on the field and Brady was forcing it to Gronkowski or trying to reinvent 2007s vertical offense with deep passes to LaFell. It really would not have mattered if Amendola was sitting in a lawn chair with a sign that said I am wide open.

Well that isn't 'agreeing with me'. Brady has a 1st read, 2nd read, etc, etc. If 1 is open he throws, if not he looks at 2, then 3, then 4 and so on.
He wasn't forcing the ball to gronk or Dobson, his read of the coverage was to throw it there.

 

[Brady6]

Well that isn't 'agreeing with me'. Brady has a 1st read, 2nd read, etc, etc. If 1 is open he throws, if not he looks at 2, then 3, then 4 and so on.
He wasn't forcing the ball to gronk or Dobson, his read of the coverage was to throw it there.

I hope he wasn't forcing it to Dobson. Then I would suggest a concussion test.

 

[Brady6]

I doubt that. While Amendola hasn't done much to live up to his higher priced contract, I would guess that there are plenty of head coaches and GMs who have enough common sense to find a role for a player like Amendola somewhere.

I often thought that we were being a bit harsh on a WR who had 54 catches last year. I'm not sure how much has changed the day after we just witnessed our star QB getting hit 22 times in total, with a second half net yardage of TEN going into the final garbage time drive.

I agree with you that Amendola would not hear crickets on the UFA market, he would not receive anything close to the contract he did from us though, he would be fortunate to land what LaFell received from us this offseason – 3 years/$11M.

Amendola is not a consistent WR; he has more games that you would describe, as poor mediocre in his career then he does that you would consider good. Look at his 55 games, in 35 of them he finished with under 50 yards receiving in his career.

101+ yards – 5 games
75-100 yards – 2 game
50-74 yards – 13 games
25-49 yards – 16 games
0-24 yards – 19 games

The Patriots made a reactive decision to sign Amendola knowing Welker was going to Denver, when you make reactive decisions you end up overpaying in most situations. The reality is Amendola with the exception of 2 games had never done anything at the time he signed to show anything close to being worth more than $5.5M APY.

The thread is indeed an embarrassment, I agree. That said, Amendola and Brady haven't found enough of a rapport yet to warrant his salary, so most of us expect either an agreement to a salary reduction, or an outright cut in the spring.

I think Belichick was worried about losing Welker and overpaid a bit to get Amendola. Now that we have Edelman, they'll likely have to make an agreement or decision in the offseason.

Seeing as how Amendola is a board whipping boy though, you really can't be too surprised that he's seeing attention after one game--LOL.

Have you ever heard the saying – To whom much is given, much is expected? That is why people are beating on Amendola because outside of Brady and Gronkowski who are HOF caliber players Amendola is the highest paid player on the offensive side of the ball. When the team fails the person who is given the most is going to be held accountable the most, which is just logic. Was Amendola to blame, probably not, but did he do anything to help this team win, no not at all, actually with the exception of the Bills game last year Amendola has not done anything that you would point to and say that guy is the reason we won today. You keep talking about 54 catches, but he has really only shown up for 3 games (Bills, Steelers, and Dolphins) outside of that he has done little to nothing. I do not consider the thread an embarrassment, you know I have a ton of respect for you Sup but the embarrassment is really you and other posters in this thread spitting the same exact excuse for Amendola you were giving last season when I opened the thread about him after the Saints game. Things are not getting better for Amendola, in his last 5 games in a Patriots uniform he has 9 catches for 147 yards, that includes a 34 yard catch and a 53 yard catch both came on play action plays (Ravens and Colts) where Amendola ran uncovered up field because the defense bit on the fake badly.

This may be me flexing my jihad muscles here, but this unwillingness to accept that Amendola was a poor signing by certain posters on the board is just becoming tired, and not because anyone even cares if they do not want to accept it and admit it but because they have the audacity to come into a thread and say things that imply Amendola does not merit this type of response by the fans of the team. After signing the biggest contract since Thomas and one of the biggest UFA contracts of Belichick’s tenure (non Patriot resigning) the player cannot show up and fall down the depth chart and expect that the player is going to get a positive spin on the teams fan forum.

Mike Reiss is expecting that Wright may take a lot of Amendola’s role and Amendola will see a reduction in his playing time, I would tend to agree with Reiss. Amendola has received more than enough opportunity and he has done little with it, the team needs to move in a different direction because the odds of him being on this team in 2015 is under 5% unless he takes a significant pay cut.

http://fansided.com/2014/09/09/new-england-patriots-news-tim-wright-may-replace-danny-amendola/

 

[supafly]

I agree with you that Amendola would not hear crickets on the UFA market, he would not receive anything close to the contract he did from us though, he would be fortunate to land what LaFell received from us this offseason – 3 years/$11M.

Amendola is not a consistent WR; he has more games that you would describe, as poor mediocre in his career then he does that you would consider good. Look at his 55 games, in 35 of them he finished with under 50 yards receiving in his career.

101+ yards – 5 games
75-100 yards – 2 game
50-74 yards – 13 games
25-49 yards – 16 games
0-24 yards – 19 games

The Patriots made a reactive decision to sign Amendola knowing Welker was going to Denver, when you make reactive decisions you end up overpaying in most situations. The reality is Amendola with the exception of 2 games had never done anything at the time he signed to show anything close to being worth more than $5.5M APY.


Have you ever heard the saying – To whom much is given, much is expected? That is why people are beating on Amendola because outside of Brady and Gronkowski who are HOF caliber players Amendola is the highest paid player on the offensive side of the ball. When the team fails the person who is given the most is going to be held accountable the most, which is just logic. Was Amendola to blame, probably not, but did he do anything to help this team win, no not at all, actually with the exception of the Bills game last year Amendola has not done anything that you would point to and say that guy is the reason we won today. You keep talking about 54 catches, but he has really only shown up for 3 games (Bills, Steelers, and Dolphins) outside of that he has done little to nothing. I do not consider the thread an embarrassment, you know I have a ton of respect for you Sup but the embarrassment is really you and other posters in this thread spitting the same exact excuse for Amendola you were giving last season when I opened the thread about him after the Saints game. Things are not getting better for Amendola, in his last 5 games in a Patriots uniform he has 9 catches for 147 yards, that includes a 34 yard catch and a 53 yard catch both came on play action plays (Ravens and Colts) where Amendola ran uncovered up field because the defense bit on the fake badly.

This may be me flexing my jihad muscles here, but this unwillingness to accept that Amendola was a poor signing by certain posters on the board is just becoming tired, and not because anyone even cares if they do not want to accept it and admit it but because they have the audacity to come into a thread and say things that imply Amendola does not merit this type of response by the fans of the team. After signing the biggest contract since Thomas and one of the biggest UFA contracts of Belichick’s tenure (non Patriot resigning) the player cannot show up and fall down the depth chart and expect that the player is going to get a positive spin on the teams fan forum.

Mike Reiss is expecting that Wright may take a lot of Amendola’s role and Amendola will see a reduction in his playing time, I would tend to agree with Reiss. Amendola has received more than enough opportunity and he has done little with it, the team needs to move in a different direction because the odds of him being on this team in 2015 is under 5% unless he takes a significant pay cut.

http://fansided.com/2014/09/09/new-england-patriots-news-tim-wright-may-replace-danny-amendola/

I understand your problem with Amendola, and I've even agreed with you on some level stating that a decision will have to be made in the offseason. I don't think it helps any by having the same discussion a couple of times per week though, so that's all I'm saying.

As far as Reiss' football speculation, he's wrong more than he's right lately, so I am somewhat skeptical about having a brand new guy immediately step in and not only pick up our playbook as effectively as Amendola, but block as well too. In theory in makes sense that Wright can produce on some of the same kind of routes, but Amendola is clearly the best blocking WR we have on the field, which is certainly important in Foxborough. To take it one step further, Wright is known for having a weakness in that area.

As 50 yard line stated, I don't believe that Amendola' blocking is anything close to justifying that contract, but at the same time it certainly helps in more ways than show up on the statline.

 

[PatFanCraig]

The Amendola signing is bad in more ways than his play. The way Bill knows he needs DLineman both DTs DEs and tweeners I'm sure the team would have signed Melton or Bennett in FA. Bill knew he had weaknesses st DT. He reached for Easley due to he felt he could pressure the QB and be stout vs the run. If it weren't for The Amendola signing I'm sure bill would have signed Melton, Bennett or Arthur Jones but the cap is tighter due to Amendola. Also Amendola being a flop scared off Bill who is already a FA skeptic. Being a FA skeptic has hurt this team. Not wanting to pay to much to a very good to great player has caused the team to settle for below average talent at a cheaper cost. And im not talking not giving out $100 million contractss, they dont like giving out $40 million. average of $8 million is going out to below average WRs. We could have Henry Melton or Lafell and Amendola. Signing below average players to 3-4 million a year doesnt help the team. WR needy panthers didn't want Lafell back, opting to rebuild the WR position than pay any $$ for a near useless WR. And Amendola I doubt any other team would have payed him anything over $10 for 3 yrs.

Both players are on the team however but should be backups. Loser Lafell could not establish himself. Carolina liked Gettis better before his injury and admitted they found a better WR in Round6 that year. They never thought much of Lafell. Amendola is limited to the slot which Edelman plays. I'm not surprised Edelman won it. The slot is really about chemistry with Brady in the system. And Edelman has 6 seasons with Brady. The team needs to develop Kenbrell and Dobson who are much more multi talented than Amendola. Lafell has been in the nfl several seasons and hasnt been starting caliber. Kenbrell and Dobson deserve an opportunity to be go to guys. They also have more speed athleticism and upside. Offense should d run with Gronk Dobson Kenbrell Vereen and Edelman as getting most of the snaps. With Tim Wright getting a good # of reps. If Wright or anybody doesn't play well then Lafell and Amendola can get more reps. But I think the others have more upside and should get more reps. But of course if oline is the worst in the NFL it doesn't matter who gets reps. My opinion they must trade significant draft picks for a very good lineman. It will cost a #2 and pair of #4 draft picks at least. Teams don't don't just give very good olineman away in their prime

For the record I wanted to sign Melton or. Arthur Jones or Bennett and trade up to draft CJ Mosley. In 3-4 Wilfork Melton and Chris Jones,Siliga,Quarles competing for other starting dline spot sounds pretty stout With Jones and Collins playing Rush OLBs and Mayo Mosley in the middle. Every LB in that lineup can pressure the QB and cover. Unlimited what they could do while Melton terrorizes QBs from the Dline, Just my opinion idea.

 

[james87654]

They're wasting him. I've always thought Brady had two issues as a QB (which aren't much when weighed against the positives). First, he has never been a good long-ball thrower. Ever. Moss made him look good in that department, because, well, Moss!

And second, more in recent years, Brady has binkie fever. A big part of that is probably due to the bad OL and the inability to check down as far as he'd like.

I agree with the 1st one.....vertical/deep routes are not his thing.....moss was an anomaly.......brady lacks the touch and the natural arch on his throws for these passes

it baffles me that BB hasnt been able to get a decent outside WR in order to somewhat offset this weakness in bradys game, instead of compounding it

my 2nd criticism of brady is his lack of mobility and escapability....no QB does well under pressure......but it seems like the drop off is even more pronounced with brady than most other top QBs, and it has gotten worse with age......he used to have better pocket presence ........which means he needs a "great wall" of an offensive line.......which he used to have a few years ago......but not right now

just my opinion

 

[supafly]

Bill knew he had weaknesses st DT. He reached for Easley due to he felt he could pressure the QB and be stout vs the run.

It was widely reported that Seattle wanted to take Easley at #32, so it's not really much of a reach to have taken him a few spots before that, is it?

The 2014 draft selection of Easley has nothing at all to do with the 2013 free agent signing of Danny Amendola anyway.

If it weren't for The Amendola signing I'm sure bill would have signed Melton, Bennett or Arthur Jones but the cap is tighter due to Amendola.

Again...I think you're getting your years mixed up, because Amendola was taken in 2013.

Arthur Jones was given a contract of 5 yrs/33 million with 16 million guaranteed, and Michael Bennett was given a contract of 4 yrs/29 million with 16 million guaranteed.

We had plenty of available cap space in both 2013 and 2014, so the Danny Amendola signing did not prevent them from overpaying for a DL, if that's what they would've wanted to do. Hell, they have 13 million dollars in available cap space at the moment, so they could certainly explore trades if they wanted to.

And Amendola I doubt any other team would have payed him anything over $10 for 3 yrs.

At the time when it was clear that Welker wasn't re-signing last spring, Danny Amendola was the #1 option around the NFL to replace him. Belichick couldn't risk losing both Welker and not having anything to replace him with in Amendola.

I'm sure they gave him a competitive offer with what some of his other offers were. This team isn't known to overpay for no good reason.

 

[supafly]

I agree with the 1st one.....vertical/deep routes are not his thing.....moss was an anomaly.......brady lacks the touch and the natural arch on his throws for these passes

it baffles me that BB hasnt been able to get a decent outside WR in order to somewhat offset this weakness in bradys game, instead of compounding it

my 2nd criticism of brady is his lack of mobility and escapability....no QB does well under pressure......but it seems like the drop off is even more pronounced with brady than most other top QBs, and it has gotten worse with age......he used to have better pocket presence ........which means he needs a "great wall" of an offensive line.......which he used to have a few years ago......but not right now

just my opinion

I think the ways that they attempted to combat some of these aspects was utilizing a timing based attack, where Brady could get rid of the ball as quickly as possible on shorter/intermediate routes, along with better balance in the run to pass ratio.

Of course it doesn't always work out as well as we'd like, and some of the gameplans and decisions like Sunday on both sides of the ball tend to baffle everyone. I think this system in place can help to prolong Brady's career a bit though, as long as the OL improves to its usual "norm."

I still think that we may try and make a move for a proven veteran WR prior to the start of next season, particularly one who is very well known and would bring a lot of excitement here. That WR may be able to provide some more of what you're looking for in your comments.

Then again, the financial implications of such a move would be the obvious obstacle, but I do think there are certain "proven" veteran players who are basically automatic locks to pick up the playbook and do everything asked of them, and those are the kinds of guys that Belichick may step outside of the box and think a bit harder about going against the grain to acquire. I'm not going to name any names, but I think you can get a sense of who I'm thinking of.

 

[PatFanCraig]

Who would have played a limited slot anything close to what he did. Edelman came off 100 catches and got very little interest around the NFL. Short slow slots aren't in high demand. Its not like we were bidding for amendola. Bill is not a fan of FA and likes to stay well under the cap in the event he needs cap room. Melton would have been seriously considered in my opinion if there was bout $8 mil more in cap room.

I'm not trying to be rude about Easley but there's no proof the seahawks definitely would have drafted him. They were interested I'm sure but we don't know if they actually would have taken him in round one. Even if they did its still a reach. Coming off another acl injury and very undersized. I thought it was a reach at time but I was OK with it even with the injury and even excited how he compared to Atkins. What I really don't like about Easley is how undersized he is. I thought he was slightly undersized and just lean for a DT and really not to undersized if at all. I watched some highlights and some pics of him at the snap and with fans and I thought he is a little undersized and small for a DT and not just short. I then saw a pic of him in training camp for practice shaking hands with Chandler Jones. And Chandler who is a little lanky as are many edge rushers looked stocky next to Easley. I hope he just lost size from acl surgery he can easily put back on because he looked like a Running back.

Also Seattle could allow him a year to bulk up and get his acl back to 100% as he gets eased into the NFL slowly before starting next year. Patriots have a huge need at DT and need him to make some impact as a rookie. He struggled in his rookie debut and not just due to inexperience. He was pushed easily off the ball and didn't show any explosion for lineman to contend with. I would like him to be great like Geno Atkins, one of my favorite prospects ever. I couldn't believe bill didn't draft Atkins through 4 rounds. That was disappointing. I thought Easley could play like Atkins being shorter but very strong and explosive and I liked Easley til I saw how small he was. I hope he bulks up and is comparable to Atkins. The patriots need Dline help now and Melton I think would have been awesome. And allowed bill to draft another player ready to make an impact as a rookie like CJ Mosley, Bradley Roby HAHA Clinton or oline help. Or a WR. My favorite WRs were Paul Richardson and Marquise.

 

[Brady6]

I understand your problem with Amendola, and I've even agreed with you on some level stating that a decision will have to be made in the offseason. I don't think it helps any by having the same discussion a couple of times per week though, so that's all I'm saying.

As far as Reiss' football speculation, he's wrong more than he's right lately, so I am somewhat skeptical about having a brand new guy immediately step in and not only pick up our playbook as effectively as Amendola, but block as well too. In theory in makes sense that Wright can produce on some of the same kind of routes, but Amendola is clearly the best blocking WR we have on the field, which is certainly important in Foxborough. To take it one step further, Wright is known for having a weakness in that area.

As 50 yard line stated, I don't believe that Amendola' blocking is anything close to justifying that contract, but at the same time it certainly helps in more ways than show up on the statline.

If we are focusing on blocking then we would want Brandon LaFell on the field, he is easily the best blocking WR on the team and one of the best in the entire NFL.