OT: Chargers Extend Danny Woodhead

[PatsBoy12]

For all the talk about letting Welker go, I think Woodhead was the bigger loss.

I have a feeling that Woodhead wanted to move on because he knew the Pats wanted to spotlight Vereen and his touches here were likely to go down. I think the Chargers offered him a big role and that is why he left. Just a guess, but I think this may be a case that the player saw greener pastures elsewhere even though the Pats wanted him back.

I said this from DAY 1. I never backed down from that position even when people thought I was crazy (not this board). I was especially upset when I saw the $ figure. It was so modest. That is why I feel they extended him so quickly (well . . . aside from his great production). I watched a few SD games just to see him and found myself so frustrated when I watched him make plays in both the run and pass games (just like his time here). He held the running game together when Mathews went down with his annual injury. He was at times arguably their best offensive players. Heck, I can remember games in NE when he was arguably the best offensive player. He especially seemed to shine in the really big games. He continued to do it last season for SD. He deserves the extension.

With all that said, I do believe Vereen can be better is almost all aspects (not there yet), except for maybe rushing (aside from durability), where Woodhead was consistently a surprisingly effective rusher. Vereen has shown it at times, but I don't feel he's consistent yet. That could be largely due to how the Pats use him primarily as a pass catcher, though. I would like to see him carry the ball between the tackles at times, if only to keep the D off balance. They definitely should not, nor do I believe they will, use him between the tackles too often, but I feel a few attempts in spots would be good for keeping the opposing D from keying in on the pass.

 

[RayClay]

If anyone is being wildly overrated it is Vereen, who has had only a few games over three years in which he made much of a difference. Woodhead has been the more consistent and productive player by far.

We have a poster here with the ability to judge how a player that doesn't play due to injuries compares with a player who does play. I don't have that ability.

Hoomans been a steadier player than Gronkowski and outplayed him in many games last year.

 

[Deus Irae]

We have a poster here with the ability to judge how a player that doesn't play due to injuries compares with a player who does play. I don't have that ability.

Hoomans been a steadier player than Gronkowski and outplayed him in many games last year.

Woodhead has had good success with multiple teams. He is capable of being a receiving threat, and can run both inside and outside the tackles, though he is better at this on draws than in power formations. He is also a decent pass blocker for his size. How that's supposedly him being overrated is one for the books.

It was financially understandable that he was allowed to go, because the Patriots had clearly decided that they thought Vereen was the future. So far, the Patriots seem to have made the wrong choice, but there's still time for Vereen to step it up.

Again, though, saying Woodhead's overrated flies in the face of both what is seen by the eyes and what the stats show.

 

[supafly]

He is also a decent pass blocker for his size.

Woodhead really made some nice progress in that area over the past few seasons. I remember a point where he wasn't considered too hot with the blitz pickup earlier in his career. For a guy of his size, he's really made strides in that department.

 

[RayClay]

Woodhead has had good success with multiple teams. He is capable of being a receiving threat, and can run both inside and outside the tackles, though he is better at this on draws than in power formations. He is also a decent pass blocker for his size. How that's supposedly him being overrated is one for the books.

It was financially understandable that he was allowed to go, because the Patriots had clearly decided that they thought Vereen was the future. So far, the Patriots seem to have made the wrong choice, but there's still time for Vereen to step it up.

Again, though, saying Woodhead's overrated flies in the face of both what is seen by the eyes and what the stats show.

He's a capable hard working player who gets the most out of his ability.

I do think some posters here think he is more than that. Since i agree with you, I must think some people here think he's much more than that and i do.

Well, the Patriots chose the guy who was going to break his wrist. Outside of hiring Miss Cleo as a consultant, not sure how you avoid that.

 

[RayClay]

Again, though, saying Woodhead's overrated flies in the face of both what is seen by the eyes and what the stats show.

So you agree that his loss was more important than welker's?

For all the talk about letting Welker go, I think Woodhead was the bigger loss.

 

[Deus Irae]

He's a capable hard working player who gets the most out of his ability.

I do think some posters here think he is more than that. Since i agree with you, I must think some people here think he's much more than that and i do.

Well, the Patriots chose the guy who was going to break his wrist. Outside of hiring Miss Cleo as a consultant, not sure how you avoid that.

You held Woodhead's post-concussion play against him in your analysis. Given that, you don't really think you should be able to play the broken wrist card for Vereen, do you?

The Patriots chose the younger, cheaper, theoretically more explosive player. So far, they've gotten younger, cheaper, lesser and more often injured. The hope is that "lesser and more often injured" will change going forward.

 

[Deus Irae]

So you agree that his loss was more important than welker's?

No, and why would you make such a silly claim? Nothing I said even remotely implied any comparison or ranking of the two.

 

[RayClay]

No, and why would you make such a silly claim?

A poster said that.

For all the talk about letting Welker go, I think Woodhead was the bigger loss.

I said some posters wildly overrated Woodhead.

 

[Deus Irae]

A poster said that.



I said some posters wildly overrated Woodhead.

That quote isn't rating Woodhead. It's comparing the impact of the losses, which is a different thing. Let's not be moving the goalposts, now.

 

[RayClay]

That quote isn't rating Woodhead. It's comparing the impact of the losses, which is a different thing. Let's not be moving the goalposts, now.

So you don't think saying Woodhead's loss is more important than Welker's overrates him in any way? Fair enough.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

We have a poster here with the ability to judge how a player that doesn't play due to injuries compares with a player who does play. I don't have that ability.

Hoomans been a steadier player than Gronkowski and outplayed him in many games last year.

You can keep saying that but you're not making any sense, especially in the context you're using it in. Woodhead has outproduced Vereen by a large margin yet you call Woodhead wildly overrated saying it was because Vereen's been inconsistently available, meaning that if Vereen was more consistently available he'd be better than Woodhead. You're guilty of what you're nonsensically accusing me of. You're giving Vereen an imaginary boost based on what you think he'd do if healthy.

And is Hooman supposed the Danny Woodhead in your comparison? And Gronk the Vereen? Has Hooman ever outproduced Gronk in anything? Has Hooman ever produced the equivalent of Gronks career stats in one year? No? It's a silly comparison.

 

[Joker]

 

[Deus Irae]

So you don't think saying Woodhead's loss is more important than Welker's overrates him in any way?

1.) Again, you are trying to make it seem as if I've made a claim about something I never commented on. knock that crap off.

2.) You know full well that a lesser player can be more important than a better player, depending upon circumstances. I'm not saying that was the case here. I'm simply saying that, even when you've tried dragging me in to something I've not commented on, you've done a piss poor job of trying to put words into my mouth.

 

[RayClay]

You can keep saying that but you're not making any sense, especially in the context you're using it in. Woodhead has outproduced Vereen by a large margin yet you call Woodhead wildly overrated saying it was because Vereen's been inconsistently available, meaning that if Vereen was more consistently available he'd be better than Woodhead. You're guilty of what you're nonsensically accusing me of. You're giving Vereen an imaginary boost based on what you think he'd do if healthy.

And is Hooman supposed the Danny Woodhead in your comparison? And Gronk the Vereen? Has Hooman ever outproduced Gronk in anything? Has Hooman ever produced the equivalent of Gronks career stats in one year? No? It's a silly comparison.

I don't think Woodhead's loss is more important than
Welker's. If Vereen hadn't broken his wrist I doubt Woodhead would have seen much third down time and we had Ridley, Blount and Bolden at running back.

Do you think Woodhead would have outplayed both Vereen for third down snaps and the stable of running backs for carries? I don't.

When Woodhead got most of his time, we had Ben Jarvis Green and not much else and he was not a good receiver. Again, great guy, made the most of his talent, but i don't think he was an outstanding irreplaceable player either. Just my opinion.

 

[RayClay]

1.) Again, you are trying to make it seem as if I've made a claim about something I never commented on. knock that crap off.

2.) You know full well that a lesser player can be more important than a better player, depending upon circumstances. I'm not saying that was the case here. I'm simply saying that, even when you've tried dragging me in to something I've not commented on, you've done a piss poor job of trying to put words into my mouth.

I quoted somethin that indicated, to me, an overrating of a player. You said it didn't. I just repeated that you didn't think what i thought from the quote.

What are you getting so upset about?

 

[Deus Irae]

I quoted somethin that indicated, to me, an overrating of a player. You said it didn't. I just repeated that you didn't think what i thought from the quote.

What are you getting so upset about?

You know full well what you've been doing. You've been attributing something to me that I've not said, even after I've made it clear, more than once, that I've not said it. Stop doing that.

 

[RayClay]

You know full well what you've been doing. You've been attributing something to me that I've not said, even after I've made it clear, more than once, that I've not said it. Stop doing that.

That quote isn't rating Woodhead. It's comparing the impact of the losses, which is a different thing.

I say that quote overrates Woodhead and I illustrated my point by evaluating how i think he'd fare had Vereen and the rest of the running backs been healthy.

So, we disagree. Oh, that is a quote of yours, so you can calm down.

 

[Kasmir]

Ah, Danny, so sad you left.

Some folks just can't accept that Woodhead was the better athlete than Vereen coming out of college:

Height: 5075
Weight: 197
40 Yrd Dash: 4.38
20 Yrd Dash: 2.50
10 Yrd Dash: 1.44
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
Vertical Jump: 38
Broad Jump: 10'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.20
3-Cone Drill: 7.03

Height: 5102
Weight: 210
40 Yrd Dash: 4.49
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 31
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 09'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.28
3-Cone Drill: 6.95

He was also a full tenth of a second faster in collegiate timed competitive track with a 10.5s 100m vs Vereen's 10.6s.

He was electrifying in that magical 2010 season. He came within 3 carries (thanks to a concussion early in that last game vs the Bills) of qualifying for what would have been the best DVOA season any back ever had in Football Outsider's system. Last season he was a top 3 back in productivity in their system as well.

The guy still holds the NCAA overall record for career 200 yard and 300 yard games.

What a loss. Many of us are still very sad.

 

[RayClay]

Ah, Danny, so sad you left.

Some folks just can't accept that Woodhead was the better athlete than Vereen coming out of college:

Height: 5075
Weight: 197
40 Yrd Dash: 4.38
20 Yrd Dash: 2.50
10 Yrd Dash: 1.44
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 20
Vertical Jump: 38
Broad Jump: 10'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.20
3-Cone Drill: 7.03

Height: 5102
Weight: 210
40 Yrd Dash: 4.49
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 31
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 09'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.28
3-Cone Drill: 6.95

He was also a full tenth of a second faster in collegiate timed competitive track with a 10.5s 100m vs Vereen's 10.6s.

He was electrifying in that magical 2010 season. He came within 3 carries (thanks to a concussion early in that last game vs the Bills) of qualifying for what would have been the best DVOA season any back ever had in Football Outsider's system. Last season he was a top 3 back in productivity in their system as well.

The guy still holds the NCAA overall record for career 200 yard and 300 yard games.

What a loss. Many of us are still very sad.

Why do you think thirty two teams passed on him 7 times?