Ryan Wendell re-signed

[Brady6]

The Wendell contract is significantly lower than first reported.

Clarity on Ryan Wendell's contract with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

 

[Ring 6]

Clarity on Ryan Wendell's contract with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

We later noted Wendell had a $2 million roster bonus each season, a robust figure relative to how the Patriots normally construct their contracts. In looking at the finer print, we surmised that there may have been an errant entry on the NFLPA records.

Overall terms: Two years, base value of $3.25 million, maximum value of $4.55 million ($850,000 guaranteed in a signing bonus)

2014
Base salary: $1 million
Roster bonus: $200,000
Cap hit: $1.625 million

2015
Base salary: $1 million
Roster bonus: $200,000
Playing-time incentives: Up to $1.3 million
Cap hit: $1.625 million (would increase up to $2.975 million if he hits all incentives)

Wendell is worth 1.625 mill on the cap.
Hopefully he earns that as a backup and we either go with Connolly at C and Cannon at G or we acquire a starter who is better than Wendell at either C or G.

 

[BradyManny]

The Wendell contract is significantly lower than first reported.

Clarity on Ryan Wendell's contract with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

Nice. This is much better.

Props to both Miguel & Yates for calling this.

I'm relieved to see the Patriots value on Wendell is in-line with what I was expecting.

 

[mgteich]

This seems to be a fine contract.

We don't have the young studs in house. If we draft two that are ready to start this year or next, Wendell and/or Connolly will likely be gone next year. In the meantime, Wendell will be paid $2M this year. Cannon could also turn out to be a starter and be extended (or not).

Wendell's 2015 compensation is $1.2M, reasonable for a backup. If he starts, we will be paid up to $1.3M more, also reasonable.
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For now, we have stability. We can now move to see who we draft and how they look in camp. Then, the team can negotiate an extension or restructure (pay cut) with Connolly. Alternatively, the team may need to pay Connolly his salary for this year.
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I understand that there are posters who would like to have anyone but Wendell and Connolly. This is nothing new. The OL and the offense has been rated highly for years with both of them having a major role. So, Dante and Bill disagree.

We always can use upgrades. The question is who is available at what price, and the priority of spending that kind of money for the difference in play.

It seems that it is time to draft a young lineman or two, even if Connolly is extended.

Clarity on Ryan Wendell's contract with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

We later noted Wendell had a $2 million roster bonus each season, a robust figure relative to how the Patriots normally construct their contracts. In looking at the finer print, we surmised that there may have been an errant entry on the NFLPA records.

Overall terms: Two years, base value of $3.25 million, maximum value of $4.55 million ($850,000 guaranteed in a signing bonus)

2014
Base salary: $1 million
Roster bonus: $200,000
Cap hit: $1.625 million

2015
Base salary: $1 million
Roster bonus: $200,000
Playing-time incentives: Up to $1.3 million
Cap hit: $1.625 million (would increase up to $2.975 million if he hits all incentives)

 

[JackBauer]

I'm no fan of Wendell, but I'm fine with a deal at those numbers. Hopefully they still plan on drafting IOL, though, as ideally I'd still like to see a Wendell-less starting group.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm no fan of Wendell, but I'm fine with a deal at those numbers. Hopefully they still plan on drafting IOL, though, as ideally I'd still like to see a Wendell-less starting group.

Yep, this is just making sure they are at least as good as last season. You can only do so much in free agency for a variety of reasons and there really weren't any options at Center or on the interior OL, and you don't know if there will be any good options when they pick because other teams could go the same route after being shut out in free agency and almost all pick ahead of the patriots.If they can address Center or OG in the draft I will be ahppy about it, and expect the areas they were unable to address in free agency to be the focus for the draft. TE/OG/C/LB/and DE are the likely priorities at this point.

 

[The Brandon Five]

 

[kennyb]

850K signing bonus? Should have been 85K max. Punishment for subpar play last year.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The Wendell contract is significantly lower than first reported.

Clarity on Ryan Wendell's contract with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

This contract is fine. That's a relief, couldn't make sense of what was being originally reported.

 

[Galeb]

Clarity on Ryan Wendell's contract with New England Patriots - ESPN Boston

We later noted Wendell had a $2 million roster bonus each season, a robust figure relative to how the Patriots normally construct their contracts. In looking at the finer print, we surmised that there may have been an errant entry on the NFLPA records.

Overall terms: Two years, base value of $3.25 million, maximum value of $4.55 million ($850,000 guaranteed in a signing bonus)

2014
Base salary: $1 million
Roster bonus: $200,000
Cap hit: $1.625 million

2015
Base salary: $1 million
Roster bonus: $200,000
Playing-time incentives: Up to $1.3 million
Cap hit: $1.625 million (would increase up to $2.975 million if he hits all incentives)

Not bad for wild speculation.

 

[BradyManny]

This contract is fine. That's a relief, couldn't make sense of what was being originally reported.

Same here.

And to the folks who - without question - accepted it in the name of In Belichick We Trust: Belichick's evaluation is obviously a huge piece of valuable information when we laymen form an opinion, but it's not the only one. There's a thin line between carefully considering the opinion of those you know are wiser and more informed versus simply accepting. Especially given the quality of the posters I'm talking about here, you shouldn't need to dismiss your own mental facilities due to your faith to BB's authority.

Something seemed wrong with that contract as first reported, and there was.

 

[Rob0729]

Wendell is getting good back up money. I have no problem with that.

 

[supafly]

I don't mind the Wendell signing at all.

If he ends up being a starter who plays a lot of reps, he has incentives that will allow him to be paid as such. If he's a 6th or 7th OL, then he'll get paid as a backup. He knows our system here and can step in if/when needed. Win/win.

Even though we'd all like to see improvement at the interior line position, we now have a bit of a luxury at the OL position--as opposed to a definite "need" that warrants addressing in the top 2-3 rounds.

Solder/Mankins/Wendell/Connelly/Vollmer/Cannon all make up a nice 6. Add in a guy like Svitek for the 7th position on a cheap deal, and we're set to be able to address our needs with DT, TE in the top 2-3 rounds.

A mid round draft pick for a rookie C/G would be just fine, and allow a nice competition for the rookie, Wendell, Connelly, Cannon, and even Cave for the top 2 interior starting positions.

Unfortunately, this is not how the contract was originally reported.

We're awaiting what the deal really is.

But the 8+ Max over 2 contract had the illogical roster bonus which does not allow him to be paid like anything other than a top-end starter (should he make the roster).

As Miguel has pointed out, and as Yates has pointed out, this may be due to a clerical error on the NFLPA's part, and the deal might really be half that value.

The truth is that I probably don't know 1% of what you do in regards to cap specifics, but I went by the initial reports that I had read stating that it was a fine deal. Apparently, there was some confusion that followed, but I completely missed it until reading your response yesterday.

Once again---I am happy with the Wendell signing. We could do much worse with a 6th/7th OL if that's how it falls.

 

[patfanken]

I know that old adage of: "there are lies, big lies, and then there are statistics". This might be one of those times, but still its something we should consider when we get one our high horses and routinely judge players, without much more than our gut opinions.

Last season Tom Brady dropped back 628 times. That's 628 times our OL had to defend Brady's ability to make a pass. PFF excoriated Ryan Wendell and attributed 6 of the 40 sacks Brady took to him. Even though PFF relies on amateur analysts who have no idea whose responsibilities are whose, and are making judgements based usually on a TV feed, lets use their numbers for this case.

That would mean that over an entire season, just over 99% of the time, it WASN'T Ryan Wendell's fault Brady was sacked. But lets extend the notion even further to Hurries and hits that an OLman is responsible for. Now these stats are even more subjective than sacks, and even less reliable. I can't find a site which will give me Wendell's stats on this and I'd love it if someone could find them. However for this example lets assume that Wendell's number of allowing hits and hurries is 5X his poor sack record.

If this number is even close to accurate it would mean that in 627 pass attempts Wendell was responsible for 36 hits, hurries or sacks. That would meant that in over 94% of the times Brady dropped back, Wendell DID NOT give up a hit, hurry or sack.

Think about it. Here we have Wendell, who is perceived as the worst of the worst, and yet he has a 94% success rate. Even if we DOUBLED his hits and hurries allowed, he'd STILL show a success rate of over 90%

This is my conundrum. We all want to flail an offensive performer who routinely is successful 90-95% of the time he's required to protect the passer. Yet using the same stats would praise and elevate a pass rusher who fails 80% of the time he tries to sack hurry or hit a QB

Think about it, again. We all love CJones. There is not a single voice here that would not love it he got an extension some time this year. Yet if we assume that over the course of the season Jones rushed the passer 300 times (which might be low given how often he was on the field) that would mean he failed to sack the QB 96% of the time.

If we also give him credit for having 5 times more hits and hurries (for a total of around 66 hits, hurries or sacks) That would mean our BEST pass rusher failed completely to even affect the passer 78% of the times he rushed

But even though my numbers are mostly approximations, I think even when we do get the "real numbers", the basic premiss will hold true. It does seem rather ironic that we laud a DE who completely fails to even affect the passer around 80%, while we loathe a C who likely has a complete success rate of over 90%.

None of this makes) Wendell a better C, or Jones a bad DE. Its just one of those things that make you go HMMMM!!!!!!....or at least should. OK fun with numbers time is over, You can go back to your usual *****ing and moaning.

BTW- I'd feel better about this analysis if I actually had the REAL numbers for the following Chandler Jones and Ryan Wendell's stats

1. The number of times he rushed the passer
2. The number of hits and hurries he was credited with.
3. The numbers of hits and hurries Wendell was given responsibility for.

Any help would be appreciated

 

[Snake Eyes]

Think about it. Here we have Wendell, who is perceived as the worst of the worst, and yet he has a 94% success rate. Even if we DOUBLED his hits and hurries allowed, he'd STILL show a success rate of over 90%

This is my conundrum. We all want to flail an offensive performer who routinely is successful 90-95% of the time he's required to protect the passer. Yet using the same stats would praise and elevate a pass rusher who fails 80% of the time he tries to sack hurry or hit a QB

Think about it, again. We all love CJones. There is not a single voice here that would not love it he got an extension some time this year. Yet if we assume that over the course of the season Jones rushed the passer 300 times (which might be low given how often he was on the field) that would mean he failed to sack the QB 96% of the time.

It doesn't make sense to compare Wendell to a D-lineman, one ought to compare how he stacks up against his peers, who are other interior O-linemen, that'll tell you how good he is in comparison.

 

[BradyManny]

That would mean that over an entire season, just over 99% of the time, it WASN'T Ryan Wendell's fault Brady was sacked.

(6/40)*100% = 15%. Wendell was responsible for 15% of the sacks.

If you mean Brady dropped back and only 1% of the time he was sacked due to Ryan Wendell, the sheer meaninglessness of that should be apparent to you. I'm certain I've seen you in other threads citing sacks as overrated, pressures as more important - and rightfully so. Not to mention it disregards all the plays that Brady got it out quick, got it off under pressure, or threw it away in time, etc., etc...Come on, Ken, that number doesn't mean anything, it's not compared to any other linemen, it reveals nothing.

I don't like to use PFF, and could care less of their grading, but the answer to your hurries question is here - and its probably hard for even PFF to screw that up (assuming it came from them):

Wendell started all 16 games for the Patriots last season and ranked as the 33rd-best center in the NFL last season, according to Pro Football Focus. The 24 quarterback hurries was the highest in the NFL behind Baltimore’s Gino Gradkowski's 26.

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2014/04/report_ryan_wendells_deal_with.html

So there, stats said he struggled, too. Wendell didn't pass the eyeball test last season, IMO - and the opinion of many posters on this forum I respect. Yates, a very objective guy with experience scouting, cited the struggles. Wendell received no other interest in free agency and signed a deal that pays him in the bottom third of centers in the league.

We previously thought he was being paid like a top third center in the league. Which didn't make sense. Fortunately, it's not the case.

 

[pazrul72]

Thank goodness, that's a much more reasonable contract. Decent backup money at a min and cheap starter money if he needs to start. Well done Front Office now lets go sign someone to win a starting interior line spot.

 

[supafly]

Thank goodness, that's a much more reasonable contract. Decent backup money at a min and cheap starter money if he needs to start. Well done Front Office now lets go sign someone to win a starting interior line spot.

We may have a draft pick or two added to the mix for competition.

 

[Ring 6]

(6/40)*100% = 15%. Wendell was responsible for 15% of the sacks.

If you mean Brady dropped back and only 1% of the time he was sacked due to Ryan Wendell, the sheer meaninglessness of that should be apparent to you. I'm certain I've seen you in other threads citing sacks as overrated, pressures as more important - and rightfully so. Not to mention it disregards all the plays that Brady got it out quick, got it off under pressure, or threw it away in time, etc., etc...Come on, Ken, that number doesn't mean anything, it's not compared to any other linemen, it reveals nothing.

I don't like to use PFF, and could care less of their grading, but the answer to your hurries question is here - and its probably hard for even PFF to screw that up (assuming it came from them):


Report: Ryan Wendell's deal with the New England Patriots is worth $4.55 million | masslive.com

So there, stats said he struggled, too. Wendell didn't pass the eyeball test last season, IMO - and the opinion of many posters on this forum I respect. Yates, a very objective guy with experience scouting, cited the struggles. Wendell received no other interest in free agency and signed a deal that pays him in the bottom third of centers in the league.

We previously thought he was being paid like a top third center in the league. Which didn't make sense. Fortunately, it's not the case.

Pro Football Focus is useless, regardless of what version of analysis you are using.
Also one OL allowing 15% of the teams sacks is not a terrible thing.

 

[pazrul72]

We may have a draft pick or two added to the mix for competition.

Thats what I meant, I want to see an interior OL, either G or C added round 3 the latest and if there is someone they like at 29 I would not be upset. Though honestly I expect them to trade back and pick up an extra 2nd. Someone like Indy or Washington who doesn't have a first might be willing to trade up.