Mini Mortgage the Future

[Ring 6]

Denver exposed Dennard in the playoffs he not a legit #2 he's closer to slot CB. He would be an immediate upgrade over Arrington!

You mean while still nursing a knee injury and being the #1 corner vs the most prolific passing offense in NFL history, he proved he's not a #2?

 

[SB39]

So, the scenario is something like this.
Trade for Revis. Immediately guarantee 10 mill of his salary to cut his cap # to 8 mill. Guarantee 8 more next year for a 10 mill cap #, with 14 mill unamortized pushed into 2016.

I'm curious to hear the fuzzy math that created those numbers.

 

[supafly]

Revis isn't going to take a pay cut to facilitate a trade though, and it's been reported that there is a team (CLE) or two (unknown) that is actively trying to make a trade happen to prevent him from hitting the open market.

It'd be nice to pry Revis away, but I'm thinking the odds are relatively low. Hope I am wrong.

CLE has been making some nice moves though, and they already had a base to compete. If they are able to get an actual QB or even Hoyer can lead them to some victories, they'll have a chance at a WC berth here, sooner than later.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm curious to hear the fuzzy math that created those numbers.

Not fuzzy at all.
2014 3 mill bonusses 3 mill salary 2mill amort of the 10 mill guarantee
2015 same,same,same and another 2 mill (my bad its 2.5) for the amort of the second 10 mill.

Cap hit is 8 mill, then 10 mill and in 2016 if you cut him there is 14 mill left of unamortized guarantees.

 

[Ring 6]

Revis isn't going to take a pay cut to facilitate a trade though, and it's been reported that there is a team (CLE) or two (unknown) that is actively trying to make a trade happen to prevent him from hitting the open market.

It'd be nice to pry Revis away, but I'm thinking the odds are relatively low. Hope I am wrong.

CLE has been making some nice moves though, and they already had a base to compete. If they are able to get an actual QB or even Hoyer can lead them to some victories, they'll have a chance at a WC berth here, sooner than later.

I am talking about trading for him and dealing with the contract he has in place.
Make him affordable for 2 years, possible 3, then eat the rest.

 

[SB39]

Not fuzzy at all.
2014 3 mill bonusses 3 mill salary 2mill amort of the 10 mill guarantee
2015 same,same,same and another 2 mill (my bad its 2.5) for the amort of the second 10 mill.

Cap hit is 8 mill, then 10 mill and in 2016 if you cut him there is 14 mill left of unamortized guarantees.

I'd be interested in an English translation of the above., as well as how those numbers equate to his current contract (which he has already stated he won't settle for less) Can anyone please help me?

 

[Ring 6]

I'd be interested in an English translation of the above., as well as how those numbers equate to his current contract (which he has already stated he won't settle for less) Can anyone please help me?

I'm sure there are a number of remedial reading programs in your area that can help you learn English.
Revis' contract includes the teams unilateral right to guarantee any portion of the contract, which I mentioned before you jumped in and posted that you were ignorant in understanding math before you added that English is a problem for you too.

 

[SB39]

I'm sure there are a number of remedial reading programs in your area that can help you learn English.

Probably... and if you can show me a course that explains things like "bonusses mill amort same,same,same" then I'll be happy to read it.

In the meantime, you should just admit you either (1) don't have the first clue what you are talking about (2) the terms of Revis' contract, (3)how the salary cap works or (4) all of the above. My money is on (4).

I'd love for someone to realistically figure out a way to get Revis here. Unfortunately, you have done no such thing.

 

[BobDigital]

You don't mini mortgage the future with this team. Take out a 2nd and 3rd mortgage and let it be forclosed on in 2017/2018.

We should sign Revis and a DE & Woodyard. That gives us help at all 3 levels.

Also trade future draft picks into this years draft. They will play on a 4 yr contract (some 5) which will be enough for the rest of Brady's career.

 

[patfanken]

Thats not the way the NFL generally works. The player has to guard against injury. Your plan suggests he just doesn't feel like playing sometimes so you will incent him to do so.

Not really. Its a recognition of a historical fact. Talib has missed at LEAST 20% of his games (not including the playoffs) in EVERY season he's played. Do you really want to guarantee a fully years salary to an employee who is only going to be there 80% of the time....at best?

No team is going to pay Talib what someone of his talent would get if he didn't come with such a consistent injury risk UNLESS the team gets some kind of protection. So in the end what's the big deal if instead of having a contract that pays him as a top 5 CB, but instead of the usual 50% guarantee, it only guarantees 33%. Forget about the other issues of being a corrupted protein shake away from a year's suspension, and other "character issues".

Maybe there WAS a time where all these things wouldn't matter, but not these days. Teams are much more intelligent about spending big money these days

The contract he has may be better than the one you can sign him for.
You get a straight salary deal, that is essentially a series of one year deals.

Good point, but a new deal might allow more flexibility to back load the contract if the cap is an issue the next 2 years

Cant endorse that last part.

Well in truth neither can I . But every April, as the draft gets closer, I get very jealous of those teams who actually have a chance to pick some of the players everyone is talking about.

Shut down corners make the defense special. Those moves just hope to incrementally improve somewhat.

That's why I would sign both Browner and Cook. Browner has been a successful press cover corner who would excel against some of the bigger receivers we face each week. Cook is a big corner, who has all the measurables to be that kind of CB, but hasn't. He's young enough that's there's still a chance he could be. Also both might be decent SS candidates, and situational coverages.

"Football is a numbers game". That was the advice a mentor of mine told me when I got my first HS HC'ing job. It was one of the best pieces of advice I ever had. Its true on the HS level and its true in the NFL. Its folly to put all your eggs in 2 baskets (as you suggest.) I'd rather hedge my bets and use the cap room from one of your CB's and improve the DL and LB areas, as well as taking a couple of low cost DB risks to get a similar result.

 

[Ring 6]

Probably... and if you can show me a course that explains things like "bonusses mill amort same,same,same" then I'll be happy to read it.

In the meantime, you should just admit you either (1) don't have the first clue what you are talking about (2) the terms of Revis' contract, (3)how the salary cap works or (4) all of the above. My money is on (4).

I'd love for someone to realistically figure out a way to get Revis here. Unfortunately, you have done no such thing.

I'm sorry you cannot read.
I'm also sorry you do not understand that guaranteeing 10 million of salary on a player with 5 years remaining on his contract causes the 10mil to be spread equally over the next 5 years. You also must have missed the fact that Revis contract explicit allows the team to unilaterally do that.

Perhaps if you tried to learn something instead of being a dbag and embarrassing yourself, you would (a) learn something and (b) not look like an @ss.

 

[Ring 6]

Not really. Its a recognition of a historical fact. Talib has missed at LEAST 20% of his games (not including the playoffs) in EVERY season he's played. Do you really want to guarantee a fully years salary to an employee who is only going to be there 80% of the time....at best?

No team is going to pay Talib what someone of his talent would get if he didn't come with such a consistent injury risk UNLESS the team gets some kind of protection. So in the end what's the big deal if instead of having a contract that pays him as a top 5 CB, but instead of the usual 50% guarantee, it only guarantees 33%. Forget about the other issues of being a corrupted protein shake away from a year's suspension, and other "character issues".

Maybe there WAS a time where all these things wouldn't matter, but not these days. Teams are much more intelligent about spending big money these days

History tells us that players who miss a few games a year do not have to accept low ball contracts with incentives.
Sure, it would be great for the team, but the player doesnt need to when he is at Talibs level. 32 teams to negotiate with.

Good point, but a new deal might allow more flexibility to back load the contract if the cap is an issue the next 2 years

The value of this one is that you can take it year to year.

Well in truth neither can I . But every April, as the draft gets closer, I get very jealous of those teams who actually have a chance to pick some of the players everyone is talking about.

Wins beat wishes, lol.

That's why I would sign both Browner and Cook. Browner has been a successful press cover corner who would excel against some of the bigger receivers we face each week. Cook is a big corner, who has all the measurables to be that kind of CB, but hasn't. He's young enough that's there's still a chance he could be. Also both might be decent SS candidates, and situational coverages.

"Football is a numbers game". That was the advice a mentor of mine told me when I got my first HS HC'ing job. It was one of the best pieces of advice I ever had. Its true on the HS level and its true in the NFL. Its folly to put all your eggs in 2 baskets (as you suggest.) I'd rather hedge my bets and use the cap room from one of your CB's and improve the DL and LB areas, as well as taking a couple of low cost DB risks to get a similar result.

Its certainly a debatable difference in approach. I'm just looking at it as a chance to lock down the opponents passing game. With that, and Tom Brady on my side, I like my chances.

 

[SacPete1]

Its an interesting scenario.

So in effect, what you are asking is if you get could 2 premium shutdown corners for the next 2-3 years and the cap could handle it in those years (no other big signings presumably) and then let loose so you're in cap hell for one year which would coincide with Brady retiring, would you do it?

My answer would be no and here's why:

1. Nothing guarantees a superbowl
2. I don't value 2 shutdown corners as much as you. I would rather allocate that money to other positions or depth.
3. If one got hurt, your scheme would change quickly and you'd be back to where you were with just Talib and possibly less quality elsewhere due to the lack of funds
4. As much as winning a super bowl is great for a fan, I enjoy seeing them in a position where they can compete for one every single year and I'd rather not see ground zero when Brady retires. I think they will definitely take a step back when he does, but I'd be ok with an 8-8 season compared to a 2-14 one.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think it the Pats bring back Talib and sign Revis, then fill in the rest of the needs they become immediate SB favorites.
The pass rush immediately becomes better. Arrington/dennard/ryan become nickel and dime options, and we can play a defense that locks down the other teams top WRs and we can put McCourty man on man with any receiving TE.

Well that's an interesting idea. But didn't Philadelphia already try this concept and fail miserably? I remember already had Asante Samuel. Then on top of that they signed Asomugha and DRC. They were favored to dominate the league. However I believe they didn't even make the playoffs that year.

Nnamdi Asomugha agrees to five-year, $60 million deal with Philadelphia Eagles - ESPN

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

If these CBs. Davis and grimes are making 10 mill a year. Then revis will be maying 13-14 a year. Pats wont mortgage anything for kind of $$ on a guy who doesn't touch the ball every other play

If they were only get 7-8 mill. Then i think the pats would deff look at revis

 

[TBR]

Its an interesting scenario.

4. As much as winning a super bowl is great for a fan, I enjoy seeing them in a position where they can compete for one every single year and I'd rather not see ground zero when Brady retires. I think they will definitely take a step back when he does, but I'd be ok with an 8-8 season compared to a 2-14 one.

This is ridiculous.

 

[Ring 6]

Well that's an interesting idea. But didn't Philadelphia already try this concept and fail miserably? I remember already had Asante Samuel. Then on top of that they signed Asomugha and DRC. They were favored to dominate the league. However I believe they didn't even make the playoffs that year.

Nnamdi Asomugha agrees to five-year, $60 million deal with Philadelphia Eagles - ESPN

Asomugha stunk, And they didn't have Tom Brady.
Talib and Revis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samuel and Asomugha

 

[BobDigital]

Well that's an interesting idea. But didn't Philadelphia already try this concept and fail miserably? I remember already had Asante Samuel. Then on top of that they signed Asomugha and DRC. They were favored to dominate the league. However I believe they didn't even make the playoffs that year.

Nnamdi Asomugha agrees to five-year, $60 million deal with Philadelphia Eagles - ESPN

Well Revis is a level about Nnamdi. Also they did not have Brady. I am not a believer that loading up the back end wins championships. But if you can have that AND a pass rush you are in business. I say get Revis & a pash rusher.

 

[Ring 6]

Well Revis is a level about Nnamdi. Also they did not have Brady. I am not a believer that loading up the back end wins championships. But if you can have that AND a pass rush you are in business. I say get Revis & a pash rusher.

With Revis and Talib at corner, our own pass rushers get much better.

 

[slash83]

Revis and Peppers as a situational rusher along with that LB that's covering makes NE's D a top 5 unit in terms of points allowed imo.