Rumor or Speculation (IDK): Patriots shopping Amendola

[Rob0729]

If this article is accurate the Amendola being cut rumors are most likely nothing but just that rumors that will never happen.



Danny Amendola Won't Be Cut - Pats Pulpit

I don't buy into the rumors that the Pats will cut or trade Amendola, but this is a big "Huh?!?". So you cannot designate a players as a June 1 cut unless he is still on your roster in September?!?

Someone call Doc Brown and ask them to reserve the DeLorean for mid September so Belichick can go back and use the the cap savings for cutting Amendola in Spetember and designating him as a June 1st cut at the start of free agency.

Seriously, how does this make any sense. In order to make a player a June 1st cut to get salary cap relief in the current NFL year by cutting him before June 1st, you have to carry him until September. And if teams have to carry a player on the roster to get the June 1st cap relief of spreading dead money over two years, why have a June 1st designation where the team gets the cap relief on June 1st? Should it be a September 15th designation?

More stellar reporting by Albert Breer. Unless there is specific language in Amendola's contract which I doubt, I think Breer is out of his mind.

I do think it is ironic that the NFL employs a sports writer who doesn't understand the fundamental of one of the most basic rules of the CBA like the June 1st designation. Hell, my 10 year old niece could figure out that that if you designate a player as a June 1st cut, that they would not be on the roster in September when the football season begins.

 

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I don't buy into the rumors that the Pats will cut or trade Amendola, but this is a big "Huh?!?". So you cannot designate a players as a June 1 cut unless he is still on your roster in September?!?

Someone call Doc Brown and ask them to reserve the DeLorean for mid September so Belichick can go back and use the the cap savings for cutting Amendola in Spetember and designating him as a June 1st cut at the start of free agency.

Seriously, how does this make any sense. In order to make a player a June 1st cut to get salary cap relief in the current NFL year by cutting him before June 1st, you have to carry him until September. And if teams have to carry a player on the roster to get the June 1st cap relief of spreading dead money over two years, why have a June 1st designation where the team gets the cap relief on June 1st? Should it be a September 15th designation?

More stellar reporting by Albert Breer. Unless there is specific language in Amendola's contract which I doubt, I think Breer is out of his mind.

I do think it is ironic that the NFL employs a sports writer who doesn't understand the fundamental of one of the most basic rules of the CBA like the June 1st designation. Hell, my 10 year old niece could figure out that that if you designate a player as a June 1st cut, that they would not be on the roster in September when the football season begins.

You can't designate him a June 1 cut unless he's on the roster at the start of hte NFL season, which means 4pm, March 11, I believe.

 

[Rob0729]

You can't designate him a June 1 cut unless he's on the roster at the start of hte NFL season, which means 4pm, March 11, I believe.

The season doesn't start on March 11th, the NFL Year does. But unless he has written into his contract that if he is on the roster the start of the NFL year that his 2014 base salary is guaranteed, him being on the roster after 4PM on March 11th is irrelevant.

But if Breer meant the beginning of the NFL year, then the guy writing the article may be an idiot because he took Breer's quote out of context. The way it is portrayed in the article referencing Breer is that the Pats need to keep Amendola on the roster until September. If Breer meant March 11, he was just stating why Amendola isn't cut at this point if the Pats are going to cut him and not that cutting Amendola is impossible.

 

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The season doesn't start on March 11th, the NFL Year does. But unless he has written into his contract that if he is on the roster the start of the NFL year that his 2014 base salary is guaranteed, him being on the roster after 4PM on March 11th is irrelevant.

But if Breer meant the beginning of the NFL year, then the guy writing the article may be an idiot because he took Breer's quote out of context. The way it is portrayed in the article referencing Breer is that the Pats need to keep Amendola on the roster until September. If Breer meant March 11, he was just stating why Amendola isn't cut at this point if the Pats are going to cut him and not that cutting Amendola is impossible.

Miguel reported this same thing the other day - you have to keep him until the start of the year to designate him that way, and by that time, the money is guaranteed.

 

[Rob0729]

Ok, looking at Miguel's page, he agrees with Breer. So I am wrong and the writers are right. He did update his Amendola page and his blog post on scenarios of increasing the cap.

Danny Amendola ? Cap Scenarios ? Updated on March 5th atriots Salary Cap

 

[SalemPats]

Patriots are in negotiations with Edelman now
Adam Schefter: New England Patriots, Julian Edelman talk new deal - ESPN Boston

My guess if Edelman signs (praying he does), you're looking at Brady's options as:
1. Gronk
2. Edelman
3a) Vereen
3b). pick one of Amendola/Dobson/FA/draft pick

-if Amendola is your 5th target and he's not a good outside receiver, what's the point of keeping him around. It's probably better to take the small cap hit and have an extra 2 or 3 M to spend on a FA

 

[Rob0729]

Miguel reported this same thing the other day - you have to keep him until the start of the year to designate him that way, and by that time, the money is guaranteed.

Yeah, I just responded to that. I am wrong.

 

[Brady6]

The season doesn't start on March 11th, the NFL Year does. But unless he has written into his contract that if he is on the roster the start of the NFL year that his 2014 base salary is guaranteed, him being on the roster after 4PM on March 11th is irrelevant.

But if Breer meant the beginning of the NFL year, then the guy writing the article may be an idiot because he took Breer's quote out of context. The way it is portrayed in the article referencing Breer is that the Pats need to keep Amendola on the roster until September. If Breer meant March 11, he was just stating why Amendola isn't cut at this point if the Pats are going to cut him and not that cutting Amendola is impossible.

Amendola is an interesting situation. He was signed in 2013 to be the starting slot receiver, if the team resigns Edelman then Amendola's role changes. It is not as simple as looking at what Amendola is worth, it is now what is Amendola worth in the role that he would have on the team with Edelman.

Will the team pay Amendola the same that they intended to pay him to be the #1 to play a role behind Edelman?

I do not think he will be cut. I do not rule out a trade. One scenario that I think is more likely and is has not been discussed is the Patriots asking him to redo the contract, and change the terms to reflect incentives based on playing time and production. Would he agree to that I am not sure but I cannot see them paying him what they anticipated to be #1 WR money (on this team) when they signed him to play a reserve role.

 

[mgteich]

IMHO, Amendola would simply have his agent thank the team for clarifying where he stood. IMHO, there is exactly ZERO chance of Amendola taking a pay cut in the next week. Why should he? He just collected $8M for last year. He would simply allow the team to cut him.

After all, the current contract is for $4M a year over the next two years. How much less do you think the patriots should offer? Call it $1.5M. Amendola would be in the position of trying to secure a $2.5M a year contract. Somehow, I would think that his agent would have enough confidence to recommend that Amendola refuse any voluntary cut from the patriots.

Just to make the point, he might even sit out a few weeks of practice; certainly voluntary practices might be out. After all, $2M of his salary is guaranteed.

You should consider that the NFL is business for both sides. "Screw you" is a fine response from a player that is asked for a voluntary contribution to the team.

One scenario that I think is more likely and is has not been discussed is the Patriots asking him to redo the contract, and change the terms to reflect incentives based on playing time and production. Would he agree to that I am not sure but I cannot see them paying him what they anticipated to be #1 WR money (on this team) when they signed him to play a reserve role.

 

[supafly]

My guess if Edelman signs (praying he does), you're looking at Brady's options as:
1. Gronk
2. Edelman
3a) Vereen
3b). pick one of Amendola/Dobson/FA/draft pick

-if Amendola is your 5th target and he's not a good outside receiver, what's the point of keeping him around.

So, now the thinking is that Belichick and the Patriots signed Amendola to a 5/29 deal last offseason with the thinking that he'd be a #5 receiving option?

Does that make a lot of sense to you? My guess is that you're off several spots.

For the record, Amendola was the #2 most productive receiver last year, and likely started as #1 in the first game.

 

[SalemPats]

So, now the thinking is that Belichick and the Patriots signed Amendola to a 5/29 deal last offseason with the thinking that he'd be a #5 receiving option?

Does that make a lot of sense to you? My guess is that you're off several spots.

For the record, Amendola was the #2 most productive receiver last year, and likely started as #1 in the first game.

They intended for him to replace Welker and be the #2 option to Gronk. We all thought we would have a deadly offense with Gronk/DA/Hernandez/Vereen and perhaps Dobson/Edelman stepping up. I was excited.

What happened was that Edelman turned out to be better than DA in the position that DA played. Edelman is a beast. DA had a tough time on the outside and as a result with Edelman in the line-up, DA will not be a consistent target for Brady.

If/when Edelman is re-signed, we have to ask ourselves would you rather have Amendola playing on the outside or a FA/draft pick. Does BB cut his losses and figure something out? That's why we pay him the big bucks.

 

[Brady6]

IMHO, Amendola would simply have his agent thank the team for clarifying where he stood. IMHO, there is exactly ZERO chance of Amendola taking a pay cut in the next week. Why should he? He just collected $8M for last year. He would simply allow the team to cut him.

Then we should cut him, it is that simple. We signed Amendola to be the starting slot receiver; if Edelman resigns, he will not be the starting slot receiver, in which case we should no longer be paying as if he were.

If Amendola wants to hit the market that is fine, he will do no better than Austin Collie last offseason and likely end up bouncing on and off a roster depending on his health in 2014. Amendola was a notable UFA last season because he was viewed as the next Wes Welker, when the Patriots cut him that view of him will be nothing more than a distant memory.

If Amendola thinks he has any value on the UFA market he is delusional, he is a seven-year veteran who has not played more than 75% of a season in any of the past three season. He is nearly 30 years old, has 9 career touchdown receptions, and a yards per reception average of less than 10 in his career. Being cut by the New England Patriots also would determine unequivocally that he is NOT the next Welker, in fact he is more likely the next Austin Collie.

After all, the current contract is for $4M a year over the next two years. How much less do you think the patriots should offer? Call it $1.5M. Amendola would be in the position of trying to secure a $2.5M a year contract. Somehow, I would think that his agent would have enough confidence to recommend that Amendola refuse any voluntary cut from the patriots.

Why would we sign pay Amendola $3.4M in 2014? We paid him $143,350 per receptions in 2013; we could get 633 receiving yards in production a player for $1 million a year, look around the NFL, he was out performed by players like –

- Harry Douglas
- Rod Streater
- Doug Baldwin
- Martellus Bennett
- Charles Clay
- Jerome Simpson
- Terrance Williams
- Marvin Jones
- Denarius Moore
- Jarrett Boykin
- Scott Chandler

Just to make the point, he might even sit out a few weeks of practice; certainly voluntary practices might be out. After all, $2M of his salary is guaranteed.

Not if he is gone before March 11. Belichick does not care, if he went to Amendola and told him he needed to take a pay cut and Amendola said no he could sit out every practice because he would not be on this team.

You should consider that the NFL is business for both sides. "Screw you" is a fine response from a player that is asked for a voluntary contribution to the team.

Yeah Brandon Lloyd said screw you NO last season; he did not play in the NFL. Plenty of other players have been shown the door in the past. Amendola is not special.

 

[supafly]

They intended for him to replace Welker and be the #2 option to Gronk.

I'm not as sure of this as you seem to be. In 3/4 seasons here, Gronk has averaged 45 catches per year.

I'm not sure that Amendola was brought in to help replace Welker's 125 catches every year, as a "#2" receiving option to Rob Gronkowski. Many felt that Amendola could end up with 80-85+ grabs if healthy. I don't see how that would have made him the "#2" receiving option in the least?

What happened was that Edelman turned out to be better than DA in the position that DA played. Edelman is a beast. DA had a tough time on the outside and as a result with Edelman in the line-up, DA will not be a consistent target for Brady.

Some of this is untrue, and some of this is speculation.

"DA will not be a consistent target for Brady?"---That's sheer speculation. He looked pretty damn good doing it in the preseason when he snagged 7 catches in the very first quarter together, then went on to have a huge week #1. The problem was, as you said, the injury.

Amendola was brought in to help to replace Wes Welker, and the high majority of Amendola's snaps came in the slot (about 3/4).

I don't see how "Edelman ended up being better than DA at his position." Amendola's position was the slot, which he played at. It was Julian Edelman who received 50.5% of all of his snaps at the position of outside receiver.

How does this equate to Edelman being better than Amendola at Amendola's intended position?

If/when Edelman is re-signed, we have to ask ourselves would you rather have Amendola playing on the outside or a FA/draft pick.

Except this is where you're incorrect again.

Amendola played about 75% of his reps in the slot, not on the outside.

Julian Edelman played the majority of his reps on the outside, at 50.5%.

 

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I'm not as sure of this as you seem to be. In 3/4 seasons here, Gronk has averaged 45 catches per year.

I'm not sure that Amendola was brought in to help replace Welker's 125 catches every year, as a "#2" receiving option to Rob Gronkowski. Many felt that Amendola could end up with 80-85+ grabs if healthy. I don't see how that would have made him the "#2" receiving option in the least?

Some of this is untrue, and some of this is speculation.

"DA will not be a consistent target for Brady?"---That's sheer speculation. He looked pretty damn good doing it in the preseason when he snagged 7 catches in the very first quarter together, then went on to have a huge week #1. The problem was, as you said, the injury.

Amendola was brought in to help to replace Wes Welker, and the high majority of Amendola's snaps came in the slot (about 3/4).

I don't see how "Edelman ended up being better than DA at his position." Amendola's position was the slot, which he played at. It was Julian Edelman who received 50.5% of all of his snaps at the position of outside receiver.

How does this equate to Edelman being better than Amendola at Amendola's intended position?

Except this is where you're incorrect again.

Amendola played about 75% of his reps in the slot, not on the outside.

Julian Edelman played the majority of his reps on the outside, at 50.5%.

The hate is deep against this guy, Sup...he's the home-wrecker.

 

[Brady6]

Except this is where you're incorrect again.

Amendola played about 75% of his reps in the slot, not on the outside.

Julian Edelman played the majority of his reps on the outside, at 50.5%.

All due respect Sup but I keep seeing posts that state this and it is meaningless, if Amendola and Edelman are on the field at the same time and the team feels Edelman is the more effective one outside obviously he is going to be lined up outside. You are using a percentage that occurred only because of the Patriots trying to accommodate Amendola when he came on the field by moving Edelman.

In addition to that who cares if they line up in the back field, at LG, or on the hash marks outside, they combined for 159 receptions and 30 of them occurred on balls that traveled 11 or more yards in the air. Where they line up is about disguising routes.

 

[ripatsfan91]

Honestly for all the talk of cutting Amendola, we should keep him another year. He would have way too much dead money to cut this season. If we wait until after the 2014 season, he will only be 3 million or so against the cap. Hopefully he can show us what he can do, live up to the contract, and stay healthy.

I see no reason that we can't keep every FA (Talib, Edelman, Blount, Fletcher) and bring in a few more guys from the outside. The FO just needs to be smart on how they are structured. Wilfork and Hernandez will be off the books next year and so could Amendola potentially. That is a lot of cap space (between Wilfork/Hernandez and the projected cap that is nearly 28M in cap space alone)! Plus the cap is projected to go up by 10M every year through 2016.

Logan Mankins is the contract that I think will be the issue. He is 31 and his cap hits are all 10+M for the next 3 years. Don't get me wrong, he is a great player but I definitely think he is overpaid.

Let Amendola and Edelman play this year and see how it works out. Make a decision after 2014. Extend Gost and McCourty this year.

 

[mgteich]

You think that Amendola is worth Collie or Lloyd money in free agency. If Belichick agreed, Amendola would be cut already. In any case, if you are correct, Amendola will be cut in the next week. This situation is really that simple. No other information is needed. There is no reason to pay a $1M JAG four million a year. Whether Edelman signs or not, Belichick will not pay a $1M player $4M. In your construction of the world, Belichick would just go out and sign another player or two.

For the rest of the world, Amendola was on the free agency market last year and had a value. The current market (with more money in it) can now decide how much Amendola's value has changed since last year when he was paid $8M by the patriots last year. If he is now worth under $2M or even less than $1M as you suggest with your two examples, then you are correct.

What I will tell you is that neither party is likely to have your view of the market. But that's fine. We all have our views.

Then we should cut him, it is that simple. We signed Amendola to be the starting slot receiver; if Edelman resigns, he will not be the starting slot receiver, in which case we should no longer be paying as if he were.

If Amendola wants to hit the market that is fine, he will do no better than Austin Collie last offseason and likely end up bouncing on and off a roster depending on his health in 2014. Amendola was a notable UFA last season because he was viewed as the next Wes Welker, when the Patriots cut him that view of him will be nothing more than a distant memory.

If Amendola thinks he has any value on the UFA market he is delusional, he is a seven-year veteran who has not played more than 75% of a season in any of the past three season. He is nearly 30 years old, has 9 career touchdown receptions, and a yards per reception average of less than 10 in his career. Being cut by the New England Patriots also would determine unequivocally that he is NOT the next Welker, in fact he is more likely the next Austin Collie.



Why would we sign pay Amendola $3.4M in 2014? We paid him $143,350 per receptions in 2013; we could get 633 receiving yards in production a player for $1 million a year, look around the NFL, he was out performed by players like –

- Harry Douglas
- Rod Streater
- Doug Baldwin
- Martellus Bennett
- Charles Clay
- Jerome Simpson
- Terrance Williams
- Marvin Jones
- Denarius Moore
- Jarrett Boykin
- Scott Chandler



Not if he is gone before March 11. Belichick does not care, if he went to Amendola and told him he needed to take a pay cut and Amendola said no he could sit out every practice because he would not be on this team.



Yeah Brandon Lloyd said screw you NO last season; he did not play in the NFL. Plenty of other players have been shown the door in the past. Amendola is not special.

 

[supafly]

All due respect Sup but I keep seeing posts that state this and it is meaningless, if Amendola and Edelman are on the field at the same time and the team feels Edelman is the more effective one outside obviously he is going to be lined up outside. You are using a percentage that occurred only because of the Patriots trying to accommodate Amendola when he came on the field by moving Edelman.

In addition to that who cares if they line up in the back field, at LG, or on the hash marks outside, they combined for 159 receptions and 30 of them occurred on balls that traveled 11 or more yards in the air. Where they line up is about disguising routes.

My comments are in response to someone that claimed "when Edelman is re-signed, you have to ask yourself if you'd rather have Amendola line up on the outside, or a FA/draft pick."

If he wasn't lining up on the outside, how is it wrong for me to point that out?

 

[supafly]

So, Brady and Danny Amendola are spotted on the beach today working out, running routes, etc--and yet, the only thing we can talk about is what will happen when Amendola is cut next week. Gotcha.

One could make a pretty strong case that Tom Brady + Danny Amendola picked an awfully strange time period to decide to hook up and work out together on their own, if this is going to be the case.

EDIT: I was just informed that the reports were incorrect and that it was not Danny Amendola.

 

[JackBauer]

What happened was that Edelman turned out to be better than DA in the position that DA played.

No. What happened was that Amendola got injured.