Some good news on the Aaron Hernandez cap hit

[PatsWickedPissah]

Honestly it looks like their grasping for straws looking for something to aid their case that as time progresses appears to be weaker and weaker.

Prosecutors give up on Carlos Ortiz as witness against Hernandez | ProFootballTalk

This is not TV. The case against The Prisoner murdering Lloyd (no, not the WR whom Gisele wanted killed) is strong. It's wise not to rely on the testimony low-lifes as the pivot point of your prosecution. Juries are smart enough to disregard what they say as self serving. The rental car indisputably traced to AH, Lloyd's texts, video of the rental car entering & leaving the sand pit at the time of the shooting, shell casings in the car and at the sand pit murder scene, a defense atty is left with saying AH was there but the other guy did it and AH was too scared to tell the cops.

The case against The Prisoner for the double shooting is weak and there may never be an indictment. Too bad as it seems he murdered those 2 guys as well.

 

[dhamz]

There was some kind of claim that Hernandez was involved in the drive by incident in July 2012 and therefore his contract should be invalid. That is utterly ridiculous.

It is not in any way ridiculous. It is the terms of the contract he signed. Hernandez signed a contract where he asserts that there is nothing pre-existing that would cause him to be unavailable during its terms. The Patriots sign it relying on that assertion. If when he signed it he knew he was involved in a double homicide, his assertions were not true and the contract can be voided.

 

[Brady6]

This is not TV. The case against The Prisoner murdering Lloyd (no, not the WR whom Gisele wanted killed) is strong. It's wise not to rely on the testimony low-lifes as the pivot point of your prosecution. Juries are smart enough to disregard what they say as self serving. The rental car indisputably traced to AH, Lloyd's texts, video of the rental car entering & leaving the sand pit at the time of the shooting, shell casings in the car and at the sand pit murder scene, a defense atty is left with saying AH was there but the other guy did it and AH was too scared to tell the cops.

The case against The Prisoner for the double shooting is weak and there may never be an indictment. Too bad as it seems he murdered those 2 guys as well.

I am not so sure brother, I think there is enough evidence to convict him of some level of wrong doing but it will be hard to convince a jury that he was the one that actually killed Odin Lloyd. The story is basically 4 men entire an industrial park and 3 men come out, what happen in the industrial park, and which one of the 3 who came out killed #4. The mistake that the DA made in my opinion is he should have charged Hernandez, Wallace and Ortiz all with murder, and prosecuted them all. Not doing that opens the doors for “he did it” and that is reasonable doubt which they only have to convince 1 juror of to get a conviction; keep in mind that though we as fans have a lot of anger towards Hernandez due to the impact he had on this team in a negative was to the jury pool he is going to be a 24 year old young man with a 1 year old little girl, the jurors are going to see him as a kid and it is going to take more than a 33% chance that he was the trigger man to get them to convict on that.

I honestly look at this situation as Hernandez being one of the worst people ever to live or the DA trying to hang him for something that he knows what happen but may not have done himself, and smearing him intentionally to tamper the potential jury pool and win the trial through the media. Since his arrest these are the things that have been played in the media.

• Double homicide in 2012 which has been reported since July 2013 with no charges.
• They’ve arrested or charged his fiancé, and the mother/cousin/friend.
• Gun running (interstate) which the DA makes a point to serve Pouncey when he was here for the game (they could have served him in FL) and then made a point to schedule the hearing the week we played them in Miami.
• Coded messages when talking on the phone speculation.
• Gang member reports and discussion about his tattoos.

I guess the case seems sloppy and desperate to me at this point, they’ve presented some information at his arraignment but we have not seen any of it other than a photo of him in his own home with a handgun, what is interesting to me is that photo immerged so easily into the public for all to see but nothing has immerged of Hernandez driving the car, Lloyd getting into the car in Dorchester, the car pulling in/out of the industrial park, or anything meaningful, if nothing leaked I would understand that they’re keeping everything tight but those pictures and other things came out without issue.

I don’t think Hernandez is innocent I just don’t think they have enough to convict (based on what I have seen).

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Again, too much CSI. The frightening reality is that folks get convicted of murder with far, far less evidence than we're aware of in this instance, and not just folks with public defenders.

 

[Joker]

 

[Brady6]

Again, too much CSI. The frightening reality is that folks get convicted of murder with far, far less evidence than we're aware of in this instance, and not just folks with public defenders.

Yeah I agree but high profile cases are not the same:

Anthony
Zimmerman
Simpson
Oliver/Isnora
King
Grant

Just to name a few, I think jurors worry about the scrutiny or I don’t know why but the cases aren’t open and shut, if I caped you in the parking lot it would have been 1 paragraph in the back of the Herald, my family wouldn’t have been arrested, they would not be looking at me for gun running, drug smuggling, every drive by shooting in the past 5 years, etc.

As much as we want to believe that the jury pool is not going to be tainted anyone living in this area has heard about this situation, if you’re an onlooker and you see all these failed accusations in the media you conjecture is already going to be that it is a bit of a witch hunt.

Please don’t get me wrong brother I do not want him to go free and I do believe he is guilty of at least ordering the hit but reasonable doubt this case as I know it is not without.

 

[DarrylS]

FYI the rate of conviction for indicted folks exceeds 90%... the equalizer appears to be the vigorousness and quality of the defense..

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Yeah I agree but high profile cases are not the same:

Anthony
Zimmerman
Simpson
Oliver/Isnora
King
Grant

Just to name a few, I think jurors worry about the scrutiny or I don’t know why but the cases aren’t open and shut, if I caped you in the parking lot it would have been 1 paragraph in the back of the Herald, my family wouldn’t have been arrested, they would not be looking at me for gun running, drug smuggling, every drive by shooting in the past 5 years, etc.

As much as we want to believe that the jury pool is not going to be tainted anyone living in this area has heard about this situation, if you’re an onlooker and you see all these failed accusations in the media you conjecture is already going to be that it is a bit of a witch hunt.

Please don’t get me wrong brother I do not want him to go free and I do believe he is guilty of at least ordering the hit but reasonable doubt this case as I know it is not without.

OK, i'm stopping this discussion before a point gets proven by me being Capped in the parking lot

 

[Brady6]

OK, i'm stopping this discussion before a point gets proven by me being Capped in the parking lot

:lol: I wouldn’t cap you you’re one of my favorites, well unless we’re partying up in the VIP forum and I over hear you talking about the drive by I pulled on the Amendola threads…

 

[Efstratios]

:lol: I wouldn’t cap you you’re one of my favorites, well unless we’re partying up in the VIP forum and I over hear you talking about the drive by I pulled on the Amendola threads…

Did you make those quick cuts during the Amendola drive by? Those are essential to any good drive by, and I hope your car's lateral speed was solid.


Anyhow, since I have basically nothing to contribute regarding of the quandary of the Pats ex-TE, I suppose that I shall just post a video showcasing Hernandez's mental state when he was preparing to kill Odin Lloyd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIP4uVIPJU

 

[ewg_gestalt]

From what I remember, there's many charges here to deal with, with murder first-degree being only the most serious of them. I thought I read somewhere that regardless of the outcome of the murder prosecution, they have pretty much an airtight case against the Prisoner for the possession charges, which would ensure he stays in jail for the foreseeable future.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

From what I remember, there's many charges here to deal with, with murder first-degree being only the most serious of them. I thought I read somewhere that regardless of the outcome of the murder prosecution, they have pretty much an airtight case against the Prisoner for the possession charges, which would ensure he stays in jail for the foreseeable future.

Yah, nobody here has disputed that the law has AH locked up for a decade on just the weapons charges alone.

Some of us Pats fans hope that somehow the drive by shooting of 2 results in another indictment such that the Pats have a long shot at voiding the contract and getting a few million on cap savings. Unlikely but one can hope.

 

[VJCPatriot]

There was some kind of claim that Hernandez was involved in the drive by incident in July 2012 and therefore his contract should be invalid. That is utterly ridiculous. He wasn't released due to that incident, and meanwhile, you could argue that a guy like Haynesworth should have disclosed that he was a jerk-face with motivation issues prior to the contract being signed, and therefore his contract should also be invalid.

I don't buy this argument. There's a HUGE difference between being an underachieving/headcase player like Haynesworth vs being a MURDERER and CONVICTED FELON.

You can't get out of a contract because someone sucks, but you should be able to get out of it because the dude is IN PRISON. Kapish?

 

[mayoclinic]

From Reiss' mailbag today:

Q. Mike, do you see the league giving the Patriots any relief from Aaron Hernandez's salary? With him counting $7.5 million against the cap as "dead money" hurts us next season. If they do not get that relief they only have about $4 million to spend next season. This will make it extremely difficult to sign any free agents and get the help they need. From your experience and what you see around the league will the NFL give it to them? -- Regis (Braintree, Mass.)

A. I do think the Patriots have a good chance to get about $3 million in relief from that situation, whenever it ultimately is decided. Overall, one thing to keep in mind is that salary-cap space is fluid. The Patriots aren't in a great position, but I wouldn't say they have ironclad handcuffs on them and can't make any moves to improve.

New England Patriots Mailbag -- Seattle Seahawks show New England Patriots how it's done - ESPN Boston

Anyone have any idea where Reiss is getting a $3M cap relief number from? Is it pure speculation, or is there some basis for this number, and how realistic is it?

 

[Miguel]

From Reiss' mailbag today:



New England Patriots Mailbag -- Seattle Seahawks show New England Patriots how it's done - ESPN Boston

Anyone have any idea where Reiss is getting a $3M cap relief number from? Is it pure speculation, or is there some basis for this number, and how realistic is it?

The Pats are scheduled to pay AH $3.25 million on March 31, 2014 as part of his $12.5 signing bonus. Do not expect Pats to pay. AH has already filed a grievance in anticipation that the Pats will not be paying him that money.

 

[VJCPatriot]

The Pats are scheduled to pay AH $3.25 million on March 31, 2014 as part of his $12.5 signing bonus. Do not expect Pats to pay. AH has already filed a grievance in anticipation that the Pats will not be paying him that money.

Thanks for the clarification, Miguel. You the CAP man!!

I really do hope we get that relief. There's no way the Pats should be on the hook to pay the FELON that bonus money!!

 

[supafly]

From what I remember, there's many charges here to deal with, with murder first-degree being only the most serious of them. I thought I read somewhere that regardless of the outcome of the murder prosecution, they have pretty much an airtight case against the Prisoner for the possession charges, which would ensure he stays in jail for the foreseeable future.

For what it's worth, the state of Massachusetts allows jurors to lessen the original charge if they see guilt other than the original murder one.

In other words, just because Hernandez may get off on the murder one doesn't mean that the jurors wouldn't come back with a murder two or even a manslaughter charge, so it's likely that he sees some kind of conviction in my opinion.

As many others have pointed out, he is also facing a total of 29 years for the five or six weapons charges, which he'll almost certainly be convicted of, as it is basically a slam dunk case. Of course he wouldn't actually be seeing that potential 29 years, but he would be practically guaranteed to be looking at somewhere around 5-6-7-8 years for sure.

His football career is done, and he won't see the light of day for quite awhile one way or another. In the meantime, an indictment is still being sought for the double murder charge from July 2012. They currently have the murder weapon, several witnesses, a couple of different camera angles (albeit limited), and the supposed vehicle that was used in the shooting. The holdup seems to be a lot of different angles/evidence and lots of testimony; including people that are making it difficult by refusing to cooperate at the current moment.

 

[Danger Zone]

For what it's worth, the state of Massachusetts allows jurors to lessen the original charge if they see guilt other than the original murder one.

In other words, just because Hernandez may get off on the murder one doesn't mean that the jurors wouldn't come back with a murder two or even a manslaughter charge, so it's likely that he sees some kind of conviction in my opinion.

Wow, interesting, I did not know that. So if OJ had had his trial in Massachusetts he might have been convicted? :mmph:

 

[supafly]

Wow, interesting, I did not know that. So if OJ had had his trial in Massachusetts he might have been convicted? :mmph:

Here is Sports Illustrated's Legal analyst Michael McCann's recent thoughts on Dennis & Callahan:

On Hernandez being charged with second-degree murder or manslaughter:

“In Massachusetts, juries can basically ratchet down the charge in terms of murder to second-degree and manslaughter, and that is possible. That could be a compromised verdict where the jury isn’t convinced there’s first-degree."