What Would You Do In This Scenario?

[Snake Eyes]

Your point being?

Forgive me if I give Short Shrift to "Arguments" that bow to Historical Precedent & copying others's Work.

The way of Sheep is not attractive to me.

But Good Luck With That.

It saddens me that you think I'm attacking your thoughts, I thought we were just having a friendly exchange of ideas.

As far as the way of the sheep, they're exactly the ones who you're hoping to trade with, so while you don't have to share their opinion it's certainly vital to structure your plans around.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I think you are all daft. I wouldn't trade Mallett for a single #1 even if is is the fourth pick,

Consider, BB has spent four years rebuilding this team, In 2014-2016 I believe the Patriots will be the strongest team in the League, with a Top 5 Defense and a Top 5 Offense. The only place they would not have depth, is at the most important position of all, QB.

Don't say that Brady is Superman and can't get injured. He lost a complete season in 2008. At 36, the bones are more brittle. In addition, You never know when he will go "Over the Hill". Manning is still doing fine with the Broncos and their great talents at receiver, But it is obvious he has lost his fastball, and he can no longer always throw a tight spiral.

You could even argue that Brady is showing the first signs too, His completion percentage is way down, and his deeper passes are iffy. His "escapability" has decayed too, He has been sacked more often this season than is usual for him. I concur that the new receivers have hurt some, but how much?

I want to harvest a Lombardi or three during that span of team dominance,and would never want to jeopardize a shot by problems at QB. I don't know whether Mallett is fully qualified, as a successor, but I believe he is much more talented than Cassell as a trained fill in..

Mallett is available for cheap money through 2014 and we could also hold him with a transition tag for another year as well.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I want to harvest a Lombardi or three during that span of team dominance,and would never want to jeopardize a shot by problems at QB. I don't know whether Mallett is fully qualified, as a successor, but I believe he is much more talented than Cassell as a trained fill in..

Mallett is available for cheap money through 2014 and we could also hold him with a transition tag for another year as well.

Would getting a potential stud O-lineman lower the likelihood of having problems at QB?

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Louis Nix is healthy I would take him, if not i would take Mathews and release Vollmer. I like Vollmer but he is way too injury prone and Mathews could step right in at RT and provide high quality insurance if they are unable to re-sign Solder.If they wanted a WR they could still get a good one at the end of the first, but i really think that TE would be the preferred option at that point. One of the top 3, Amaro, ebron, or Sefarian-Jenkins will be on the board at the end of the first.

 

[Off The Grid]

I think you are all daft.

That's got to be the most ironic Post in the entire History of this Forum.

 

[Off The Grid]

It saddens me that you think I'm attacking your thoughts, I thought we were just having a friendly exchange of ideas.

As far as the way of the sheep, they're exactly the ones who you're hoping to trade with, so while you don't have to share their opinion it's certainly vital to structure your plans around.

Don't be dramatic. I greatly appreciate constructive attacks on my Opinions, when they occur. But like I said: You all too often seem to toss random words out there just for the Hell of it. I was trying to be kind, but random Drive By statements like "Has that ever happened?" are lazy and contribute nothing to the conversation...and are certainly not "friendly". So you can stop Playing The Victim.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Don't be dramatic. I greatly appreciate constructive attacks on my Opinions, when they occur. But like I said: You all too often seem to toss random words out there just for the Hell of it. I was trying to be kind, but random Drive By statements like "Has that ever happened?" are lazy and contribute nothing to the conversation...and are certainly not "friendly". So you can stop Playing The Victim.

It's completely legitimate to inquire about historical precedent because that's what plenty of GMs are going to look at when making their decisions.

I like the idea personally which why I wrote that it 'has merit' but it seems the opinion isn't shared, though I could be wrong, it's very possible that scenario has played out and I just don't know about it, which is exactly why I asked.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I'm as big a fan as most with Mallett but a #2 is the best I think we can hope for. I could see O'Brien trading 2.1 for Mallett then having 1.1 to draft Clowney or trade down.

But, playing along . . . Watkins. Explosiveness, game speed, toughness. Get him in there with Gronk, Amendola (I'm assuming Edelman goes to Houston or Cleveland) and Dobson and Brady is a happy man.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm as big a fan as most with Mallett but a #2 is the best I think we can hope for. I could see O'Brien trading 2.1 for Mallett then having 1.1 to draft Clowney or trade down.

But, playing along . . . Watkins. Explosiveness, game speed, toughness. Get him in there with Gronk, Amendola (I'm assuming Edelman goes to Houston or Cleveland) and Dobson and Brady is a happy man.

I don't for a minute think we'd ever get the #4 overall for Mallett. Like I said, just a bit of fun.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I don't for a minute think we'd ever get the #4 overall for Mallett. Like I said, just a bit of fun.

I'm actually quite fascinated by what we do at WR this offseason. There's some good ones in FA (including Edelman and Emmanuel Sanders). And it's a deeper than deep draft at WR which should limit interest in the vet WR.

Meanwhile we have :

Dobson
Amendola
KT
Boyce

presumable returning.

with Edelman a possible and the likes of Mark Harrison and TJ Moe waiting in the wings. BTW, Crabtree's impressive return from a torn achilles makes me hopefull for Moe.

Will we return all these guys and stand pat or will we move on from someone like KT unless he starts to make a move again ?

We seem full at a position that's briming with talent. It fascinates me.

 

[everlong]

There's no way BOB doesn't take Bridgewater #1 overall and with Clowney off the board I don't think there's a player I like at a position of need (OT's are out in other words) enough to draft that high so I'd trade back. Unless the guy is Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald I just can't take a WR that high. Watkins will probably be a great player but without knowing his football smarts it's tough to pair him with Brady given the risk if he can't learn the system.

If they can't resign Talib maybe a small trade down and pair up the Dennard's (cousins). I know we have Ryan who I really like but you need 5 solid corners these days. A little further down (10-ish) I'd be all over Mosley and even further down Nix and Hageman.

 

[Huckleberry1]

There's no way BOB doesn't take Bridgewater #1 overall and with Clowney off the board I don't think there's a player I like at a position of need (OT's are out in other words) enough to draft that high so I'd trade back. Unless the guy is Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald I just can't take a WR that high. Watkins will probably be a great player but without knowing his football smarts it's tough to pair him with Brady given the risk if he can't learn the system.

If they can't resign Talib maybe a small trade down and pair up the Dennard's (cousins). I know we have Ryan who I really like but you need 5 solid corners these days. A little further down (10-ish) I'd be all over Mosley and even further down Nix and Hageman.

I don't think Bridgewater to Houston is a lock by any means. O'Brien is going to evaluate Schaab and Keenum and may decide he doesn't need to draft a QB at all, or he may like a guy like McCarron more as a pro QB and either take Clowney or trade out while taking McCarron in the 2nd. Ultimately I think the Texans are trading that pick to Jacksonville and taking their QB later.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I don't think Bridgewater to Houston is a lock by any means. O'Brien is going to evaluate Schaab and Keenum and may decide he doesn't need to draft a QB at all, or he may like a guy like McCarron more as a pro QB and either take Clowney or trade out while taking McCarron in the 2nd. Ultimately I think the Texans are trading that pick to Jacksonville and taking their QB later.

Agreed, Bridgewater isn't a generational pick like Manning or Luck. Maybe he'll end up awesome but he's not that kind of prospect. Houston would be well advised to consider trade down options and see if someone is willing to overpay.

 

[Huckleberry1]

As far as the premise of this trade goes I agree with manx that it wil not happen. Imo the absolute best the Patriots could do for Mallett would be a 2nd rounder, and a high one would be the best we could hope for. If they got a high second I would take it, try to get a veteran like Hoyer in as abck up, and possibly draft McCarron to eventually replace Brady.

As it stands right now I think TE is going to be the pick in round one as there should be a good one still left when the #32 pick rolls around. I doubt Tuitt and Nix will be on the board, the first round LB's will be gone, they won't go WR or DB in the first this year, so TE or trade out will end up being the best option s when all is said and done.

 

[manxman2601]

As far as the premise of this trade goes I agree with manx that it wil not happen. Imo the absolute best the Patriots could do for Mallett would be a 2nd rounder, and a high one would be the best we could hope for. If they got a high second I would take it, try to get a veteran like Hoyer in as abck up, and possibly draft McCarron to eventually replace Brady.

As it stands right now I think TE is going to be the pick in round one as there should be a good one still left when the #32 pick rolls around. I doubt Tuitt and Nix will be on the board, the first round LB's will be gone, they won't go WR or DB in the first this year, so TE or trade out will end up being the best option s when all is said and done.

Unless Talib is re-signed, I think this is far from given.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Unless Talib is re-signed, I think this is far from given.

They have so many young DB's on this team right now that I don't believe he will use a first on one unless a really highly rated one falls way down to them, and that is unlikely. (Basically I would compare that to Wilfork dropping from top five to their Baltimore pick at #20, so if a guy like Dennard fell to them he would take him, otherwise I think he waits and takes one in the 3rd or 4th round). If there were a safety like Vaccaro hanging around late first i could see it but i think they are set at CB even if Talib leaves because Dennard and Ryan will start and Arrington will be the slot. That doesn't mean that i think they don't need to continue adding quality CB's because i do, i just don't think Belichick will spend a first on one this draft.

It is really really early in the draft process right now so it's hard to say anything with any certainty, other than that they won't use a first on QB, but imo DL and TE are the most likely choices in the first round this year. I think that Belichick would love to get his long term replacement for Wilfork this draft but that is as tall an order as they come, as he is a rare rare player and they were incredibly lucky he fell to them when he did, that's why i would take the chance on Nix if healthy because guys like that are really hard to come by and you have to grab them when they are there because you will never get one in free agency, at least not one of that caliber. however if they can get Arthur jones in free agency i would move away from DT early and hope one of the 3 TE's are there when they pick.

 

[zimmy]

We are never going to pick at 4 in the Belichick/Brady era so if we somehow managed to get hold of that pick it would be the time to pick up our franchise QB of the future and have him sit for a couple of years.

If there wasn't a QB available I'd take Watkins. Receivers like that aren't just available where we normally pick but other positions are.

Having said that, my favourite players are Mack and Mosley and would love to trade down and get one of those.

 

[meatface]

Darqueze Dennard just so we can have Dennard and Alfonso Dennard and then sign Antonio Dennard

 

[everlong]

I don't think Bridgewater to Houston is a lock by any means. O'Brien is going to evaluate Schaab and Keenum and may decide he doesn't need to draft a QB at all, or he may like a guy like McCarron more as a pro QB and either take Clowney or trade out while taking McCarron in the 2nd. Ultimately I think the Texans are trading that pick to Jacksonville and taking their QB later.

Schaub and Keenum are JAGs.

Bridgewater played in a pro style offense and reads defenses pre-snap, can already work through his progressions, has good poise and has good accuracy. Those are the most important things to me when it comes to being a good NFL QB. He's also by all accounts smart and mature and loves football and works at it.

If teams pass on him they'll be sorry.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Schaub and Keenum are JAGs.

Bridgewater played in a pro style offense and reads defenses pre-snap, can already work through his progressions, has good poise and has good accuracy. Those are the most important things to me when it comes to being a good NFL QB. He's also by all accounts smart and mature and loves football and works at it.

If teams pass on him they'll be sorry.

Team's may be sorry for passing on him and the Texans could end up taking him, I'm not arguing with any of that, however saying it is lock is a mistake as it really isn't, and if i were going to bet on it i would bet that the texans trade the pick and a team like the Jags ends up taking him first. Right now i think Bridgewater is most likely to go first, but that doesn't mean the Texans will be the ones who take him.


Schaab was a pro bowl caliber QB just two seasons ago, and Keenum hasn't shown enough either way to be labelled as just another guy so i really don't know how you reached the conclusion both are jags.