Viewing Possible Brady Replacements

[Archeryaddict12]

Just another challenge for BB, You forget that he has done that thrice, already. He replaced Kosar with Testaverde; Bledsoe with Brady; and Brady with Cassell; and continued to win, in every case.

Cassell was not as talented and returning Brady was still in his Prime. Kosar and Bledsoe were not, so the replacements stuck.

If Cassell could win 11 games, after 4 years of seasoning on the Bench, I don't doubt that more talented Mallett could be coached to do the same.

Remember though, cassell had a loaded roster that was 1 minute away from going 19-0. And he had a pro bowl year after leaving here.

 

[cstjohn17]

Just another challenge for BB, You forget that he has done that thrice, already. He replaced Kosar with Testaverde; Bledsoe with Brady; and Brady with Cassell; and continued to win, in every case.

Cassell was not as talented and returning Brady was still in his Prime. Kosar and Bledsoe were not, so the replacements stuck.

If Cassell could win 11 games, after 4 years of seasoning on the Bench, I don't doubt that more talented Mallett could be coached to do the same.

I just see it differently, I hope BB is not planning for 5 years down the road when Brady is gone. I would rather concentrate on winning a championship with a proven commodity (Brady).

The examples noted are interesting but fall short, we are talking about replacing an all time great and perennial championship contender. Kozar, Bledsoe, Cassell are many rungs down the ladder.

I don't think Mallett ever becomes an adequate starter in the NFL, call it Bam Childress disease where a local fan base gets enamored with a player for no other reason than the jersey.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I don't think Mallett ever becomes an adequate starter in the NFL, call it Bam Childress disease where a local fan base gets enamored with a player for no other reason than the jersey.

That makes no sense, Childress was undrafted. Mallett was only as low as the 3rd round because of perceived personal issues which haven't played out negatively since. Without those issues Mallett would have been a first round pick.

I like Mallett a lot but the timing of his free agency makes me hope we trade him this offseason as we have holes to fill.

I'd like to just re-sign Cassell for next year so we don't need to use a decent pick on a QB, as much as I would like to draft an upside QB our talent base doesn't allow for that right now IMO.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Except we drafted Mallet which makes Mettenberger a logical replacement.

i don't know why y'all are so enamored of rag armed shrimp. Hoyer is/was better than all of these rag-arm guys. He has a rag arm but has at least marginal size and smarts and Mallet had little trouble beating him out. Only Mettenberger and Blake Bottely (sp?) seem the right size and with arm strength, beside Mallett.

 

[cstjohn17]

That makes no sense, Childress was undrafted. Mallett was only as low as the 3rd round because of perceived personal issues which haven't played out negatively since. Without those issues Mallett would have been a first round pick.

I like Mallett a lot but the timing of his free agency makes me hope we trade him this offseason as we have holes to fill.

I'd like to just re-sign Cassell for next year so we don't need to use a decent pick on a QB, as much as I would like to draft an upside QB our talent base doesn't allow for that right now IMO.

I think we differ on Mallett's ability but I do agree on your last point which was my original point, I hope the Patriots don't use draft pick in rounds 1-3 on a QB.

 

[JerseyShore99]

Neither come close in terms of size/athleticism. Thomas is 6'6" and 260lb. Both Shaw and Martinez both barely make it over 6'. There is no comparison between Thomas and the others. Thomas is a similar size and athleticism to Gronk.

I'm talking about playing QB not making a project, BB already has enough

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I just see it differently, I hope BB is not planning for 5 years down the road when Brady is gone. I would rather concentrate on winning a championship with a proven commodity (Brady).

The Patriots need to balance between trying to win with Brady and guarding against the possibility that his ironman streak will once again be interrupted.

After all, if you wanted to maximize the chance of winning with Brady, the Patriots should have just kept Edelman as an oh s*** backup, trade Mallett, and have an emergency QB on the practice squad.

I don't know where the optimal balance point is, but Mallett was a special case (the guy BB felt was the #1 QB in the draft, still available in the third round).

 

[cstjohn17]

After all, if you wanted to maximize the chance of winning with Brady, the Patriots should have just kept Edelman as an oh s*** backup, trade Mallett, and have an emergency QB on the practice squad.

I don't know where the optimal balance point is, but Mallett was a special case (the guy BB felt was the #1 QB in the draft, still available in the third round).

I would not have argued with that strategy.

Mallett is totally overrated because he wears a Patriots jersey. $100 body , 10 cent head. BB has never said he felt Mallett was the top QB in the draft, you made that up. I will be shocked if Mallett becomes an NFL starter.

I get it, it is a nice discussion point to think about who will replace Brady but history shows it is very rare to have a graceful transition from a legend. In the meantime I hope they do everything to maximize Brady's chances of winning.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I would not have argued with that strategy.

Mallett is totally overrated because he wears a Patriots jersey. $100 body , 10 cent head. BB has never said he felt Mallett was the top QB in the draft, you made that up. I will be shocked if Mallett becomes an NFL starter.

That's what I remember reading at the time. Maybe I'm conflating things, but clearly the Patriots felt that Mallett was too good to pass on at that point in the draft.

And, as I noted above: if the Patriots really felt Mallett is anywhere near as bad as you feel he is, they would have made a serious effort (no, Tebow doesn't count) to replace him, or at least to groom a third QB on the practice squad the last two years.

 

[cstjohn17]

That's what I remember reading at the time. Maybe I'm conflating things, but clearly the Patriots felt that Mallett was too good to pass on at that point in the draft.

And, as I noted above: if the Patriots really felt Mallett is anywhere near as bad as you feel he is, they would have made a serious effort (no, Tebow doesn't count) to replace him, or at least to groom a third QB on the practice squad the last two years.

Sounds good to me, based on my track record you are likely right. Maybe it is some where in the middle. Thank you for the debate, good night, stay warm.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm talking about playing QB not making a project, BB already has enough

Well I'd reply by saying that Logan Thomas has much, if not more experience than either of those two and probably more as an out and out passer. And having checked, he has nearly twice as many pass attempts as either Martinez or Shaw. I don't think he's any more a project than the other two but has the advantagew of having the size and athleticism to fall back into another area if he busts as a QB.

I am more and more on the Logan Thomas bandwagon by the day if the price is right (4th round or later).

 

[patfanken]

I would be irate with a QB chosen in the first 4 rounds. and marginally pissed if one is chosen at all. If Mallett does get traded, then I see the Pats picking up a seasoned vet like Hoyer, Cassell, Jason Campell pr any of their ilk and adding a late round/UDFA as a 3rd arm in camp/PS.

As time goes on the more I think that after Brady, the Pats will go for the experienced mid range back up for a year and drafting who they HOPE will be Brady's ultimate replacement during THAT time. Remember awesome individual physical talent is NOT what's required to win in this offense. We saw that in 2008. The key talents for the next Pats QB is going to be how well be can process information. How well he makes decisions. How accurate he is, which is another way of saying how good is his footwork, because if you have good "mechanics" its very likely you will be accurate. NONE of which needs superior arm strength or exceptional mobility, the 2 skills that seem to make every draftnick get a woody

 

[DarrylS]

I find it confusing that for a quarterback, Mallett, who has only thrown 4 passes in the NFL seems to have so much value on this board, at one time it may have been true.. however, many of our players who have moved on to other teams have not been all that successful....

Mallett may be a very good quarterback, but no one will ever know unless he plays more than the scout team QB......

 

[JerseyShore99]

Well I'd reply by saying that Logan Thomas has much, if not more experience than either of those two and probably more as an out and out passer. And having checked, he has nearly twice as many pass attempts as either Martinez or Shaw. I don't think he's any more a project than the other two but has the advantagew of having the size and athleticism to fall back into another area if he busts as a QB.

I am more and more on the Logan Thomas bandwagon by the day if the price is right (4th round or later).

I agree with you a lot manxman, but I just can't here, Thomas will bust at QB, we know that going into the draft, Shaw has higher completion percentages, less INTs, and a better QBR than Thomas every single year of play. Shaw threw one INT all 2013 while Logan Thomas threw FOUR (!!!!) INTs in just ONE (!!!) game against Duke's defense. Shaw ran for 2 more TDs than Thomas in 2013, and has averaged more per run every single year.

Now for your purpose, if Shaw were to bust, he is the toughest player in CFB this year pound for pound and wouldn't be surprised at all, in the event of a bust, of a conversion to RB or FB while even Martinez can be a RB.

Last year, Thomas put up 1 TD in a Bowl game against a Rutgers D that included NFL talent like Ryan, Harmon, Greene, Cooper. If he can put up 1 TD against 3 second/third string NFL DBs and another two LBs that haven't proven much (Greene/Beauharnais), what can he do against an NYJ or Bills defense in his future? Thomas threw for a grand total of 0 TDs this past week in the Sun Bowl against a UCLA defense featuring 3 VERY talented LBs (Myles Jack, Anthony Barr, and Eric Kendricks) all future NFL talent.

Shaw, in a 2012 Bowl game against a Nebraska defense starring all NFL talent Lavonte David, our very own Alfonzo Dennard, ILB Will Compton, Damion Stafford, and Jared Crick, threw for 2 TDs and ran for another. In 2012, against a Stacked (Mingo, Reid, Minter, Logan, Montgomery, Simon, Edwards, Loston, Barrow) LSU defense threw for another 2 TDs. Shaw has beaten and played SEC defenses weekly while Thomas plays and gets picked non-stop by mediocre ACC defenses like Duke. Thomas is on the downfall since 2012 while Shaw is the exact opposite. All should go undrafted, but I'd rather have Shaw and even Matinez IMO over Thomas any day.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Shaw, in a 2012 Bowl game against a Nebraska defense starring all NFL talent Lavonte David, our very own Alfonzo Dennard, ILB Will Compton, Damion Stafford, and Jared Crick, threw for 2 TDs and ran for another. In 2012, against a Stacked (Mingo, Reid, Minter, Logan, Montgomery, Simon, Edwards, Loston, Barrow) LSU defense threw for another 2 TDs. Shaw has beaten and played SEC defenses weekly while Thomas plays and gets picked non-stop by mediocre ACC defenses like Duke. Thomas is on the downfall since 2012 while Shaw is the exact opposite. All should go undrafted, but I'd rather have Shaw and even Matinez IMO over Thomas any day.

If Thomas has sub 4.6 speed and he could make the transition to TE, then he could potentially be a great UDFA pickup for us.

 

[Snake Eyes]

If Thomas has sub 4.6 speed and he could make the transition to TE, then he could potentially be a great UDFA pickup for us.

While I like the idea is Thomas open to it? I think Tebow has fantastic potential at positions other than QB but he wasn't interested, is Thomas?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

While I like the idea is Thomas open to it? I think Tebow has fantastic potential at positions other than QB but he wasn't interested, is Thomas?

Or put somewhat differently, is he Pat White or Julian Edelman?

 

[JerseyShore99]

If Thomas has sub 4.6 speed and he could make the transition to TE, then he could potentially be a great UDFA pickup for us.

I wouldn't mind that at all, he'd probably be open to it if he was smart

 

[JerseyShore99]

Or put somewhat differently, is he Pat White or Julian Edelman?

Add Joe Webb to that group of losers...well minus Jules, Edelman is an effin star

 

[Snake Eyes]

Add Joe Webb to that group of losers...well minus Jules, Edelman is an effin star

Didnt the Vikings want to develop him as a QB? He has since switched to receiver, did he previously refuse?